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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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4c7fde  No.691905

If jews are gods chosen people that have rejected jesus, and if jesus is the only way to heaven does that mean not only are the jews not gods chosen people but they are also going to hell?

What is the correct answer to the jewish question?

I dont know how to go about this. If you ever watch john haggee you'd think he worships israel and the jewish people more than jesus. Am i wrong for coming to this conclusion? Why do i see christian zionism as heresy??

24833c  No.691913

>>691905

In these days? You can fool anyone with anything.


be028b  No.691915

>If jews are gods chosen people that have rejected jesus, and if jesus is the only way to heaven does that mean not only are the jews not gods chosen people but they are also going to hell?

Yes.

>What is the correct answer to the jewish question?

Some variant of ethnocentrism.

>If you ever watch john haggee you'd think he worships israel and the jewish people more than jesus. Am i wrong for coming to this conclusion?

No.

>Why do i see christian zionism as heresy??

Because it is.


32146d  No.691919

>If jews are gods chosen people that have rejected jesus, and if jesus is the only way to heaven does that mean not only are the jews not gods chosen people

Jews still are God-chosen as far as God is not a Jew and won't break his promises so He will restore carnal Israel into spiritual one, the Church, at, and only then, the End Times.

But that does not mean that they have ANY perks beside being there at the end times.

>but they are also going to hell?

Of course they are. And into deep one too, since they have all means to be be saved, all prophecies and ceremonies pointing to Christ etc etc.

>What is the correct answer to the jewish question?

What real Christian societies did - make them wear funny hats, do not let them in any position of power, allow them to worship to their doom.

>I dont know how to go about this. If you ever watch john haggee you'd think he worships israel and the jewish people more than jesus. Am i wrong for coming to this conclusion? Why do i see christian zionism as heresy??

Because zionism IS heresy, in any form. Ask orthodox Jews.


4c7fde  No.691929

>>691915

>>691913

>>691919

Well its seems my suspiousion is confirmed. I grew up protestant and I see allot more heresy than this in my own church like the outright rejection of sacramental wine. Maybe im in the wrong church but it slowly eats me up. If i think of more examples ill post them. What advice could you offer?


2495e9  No.691932

>>691919

>Jews still are God-chosen

Not true. Read your New Testament.


32146d  No.691985

>>691932

I did. That's why I don't buy into bullshit never thaught.

3 For I wished myself to be an anathema from Christ, for my brethren, who are my kinsmen according to the flesh,

4 Who are Israelites, to whom belongeth the adoption as of children, and the glory, and the testament, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises:

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.


7be427  No.692000

>>691905

>John Hagee

Ayy, I remember a radio ad from that guy a few years back that sounded like heresy. I forgot about what but it was something that was sort of toddler-tier dogma (like, say, Jesus = messiah) that he was either wrong about or was lying about.

>you'd think he worships israel and the jewish people more than jesus

Hilariously despite his "Christian Zionism" deal he's got going he's still called anti-Jewish because he said Esau's family line is where all the bad Jews come from and Hitler was Esau's descendant. You can't make this stuff up.


d0041c  No.692005

>>691905

God’s chosen is such a stupid meme. Not every jew was chosen. Many were straight up murdered by God. All the jews who were chosen followed Christ. The heretics larping as an ancient race are going to hell just like every other non-Christian because they don’t have Jesus. And no, they aren’t genetically immortal either. The practitioners of judaism are white arab mutts, certainly not pure.


46e1c8  No.692038

Romans 9:6

John 8:44

Matthew 27:24-25

Acts 7:51-52

Titus 1:10-11

Not to mention the countless Christian scholars who have been "anti-semitic"


df84fc  No.692043

>>691905

Matthew 8:12

But the children of the kingdom

The Jews, who were subjects of the kingdom, and commonwealth of Israel, from which the Gentiles were aliens; and who were also in the church of God, which is his kingdom on earth; and besides, had the promise of the Gospel dispensation, sometimes called the kingdom of heaven, and by them, often the world to come; and were by their own profession, and in their apprehension and expectation, children, and heirs of the kingdom of glory. These phrases, (abh Mlweh Nb) , "a son of the world to come", and (ytad amle ynb) , "children of the world to come" F15, are frequent in their writings: these, Christ says,

shall be cast out;

out of the land of Israel, as they were in a few years after, and out of the church of God: these branches were broken off, and the Gentiles grafted in, in their room; and will be excluded from the kingdom of heaven, where they hoped to have a place,

and cast into outer darkness:

into the Gentile world, and into judicial blindness, and darkness of mind, and into the blackness of darkness in hell,

where shall be weeping, and gnashing of teeth.

Phrases expressive of the miserable state and condition of persons out of the kingdom of heaven; who are weeping for what they have lost, and gnashing their teeth with the pain of what they endure.


ea9a03  No.692280

I’m going to quote Romans 9, and break it down point by point:

>So I ask, have they stumbled so as to fall? By no means! But through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

In other words, because Israel killed and rejected Jesus, the whole world is saved. And if rejecting Jesus caused such a marvelous gift to come to the gentiles, imagine what would happen if the Jews as a whole accepted him.

>Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? If the dough offered as first fruits is holy, so is the whole lump; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

If Abraham, Issac and Jabob were holy men, then Israel as a whole shoul dascribe to the same holiness and follow God.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe.

Christians have replaced those Jews who have rejected God, but we should not be haughty about this because we could just as easily fall away from God if we lose the faith.

> For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And even the others, if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

If/when Jews as a whole start converting to Christianity, we should accept them because this is an act of God.

>For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree. Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved;

When enough gentiles come into the fold, God will turn his spirit to soften the heart of the Jews and lead them to Christ and his church.

as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,

he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

“and this will be my covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”

Prophecy from Isaiah.

>As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. Just as you were once disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may receive mercy.

If the Jews did not Reject Jesus and his deciples, the gospel would not have spread to the whole world.

As for the modern state of Israel being in Bible prophecy, it was created whole cloth by mostly atheistic Jews in the 1800’s in order to create an enthnostate for themselves and get gentile support to do it. Their persecuting against Palestinian Christians and even non Sephardic/Ashkenazi jews shall be judged by God. All biblical prophecy about the “Return” implies it’s by God’s doing, which even a majority of Hasidic Jews agree with.


1030ba  No.692287

Christian Zionism and by extension much of modern American protestantism is a psyop used to further American geopolitical interests. John Hagee is little more than a CIA asset. These people are not Christians.

>Why do i see christian zionism as heresy??

Because it is.




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