2ce6f7 No.690770
Do you believe there is a political motivation behind it? Doing that in a regular fashion asserts evangelical predominance by default. Evangelicals happen to be more pro-Israel as well, which made me think.
Alternatively, do you believe the lifelong vow of chastity to be compatible with human biology? Or is it just a recipe for disaster?
985425 No.690791
>o you believe the lifelong vow of chastity to be compatible with human biology? Or is it just a recipe for disaster?
monks already have this vow, forcing clergy to take it is redundant and unbiblical since pastors/teachers/clergy should be the husband of one wife and have children, if they have no family experience they will be less apt to educate the masses on family life.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage " 1 Timothy 4:3
The roman papal church forbids clerical marriage, they hide and conceal predators on their payroll, so this is a form of deception, they also teach heresies, so they're already fulfilling some of this prophecy.
5267e4 No.690800
Chastity hasn't been an issue in the Church for nearly two thousand years. It has only been since the advent of modernism and the filling of seminaries with revolutionaries that the clergy has been so corrupt.
83ace7 No.690813
>do you think there is political motivation
yeah, dialectics. The purpose is to make you think that the politicians and the vatican are not the same thing.
653dfc No.690829
>>690800
It hasn’t been around for nearly 2000 years
9e2e76 No.690857
>>690829
So funny story even when they let priests marry the still enforced chastity they then realized a few hundred years after that was dumb so the banned clergy from marrying as well. Because men of God having kids causes a ton of issues like does the son inherit the position, are the priests wife/children more loved and blessed then the rest of us, what if the priest has 17 kids like a good Catholic should does the laity have the shoulder the burden of providing for his whole family now, can the priest truly be dedicated to God if he is also dedicated to his family and on and on.
2f676d No.690923
>>690770
>Do you believe there is a political motivation behind it?
These are the people who promote things like child drag queens and tranny kids, OF COURSE there is an agenda behind this. They don't actually give any care to the victims, it is all to get at the Church.
0dff02 No.690924
>>690923
This. The same people who want abortions and mutilate kids genitals attack the church just because She's their enemy.
They couldn't care less about the children when those same people are the ones advocating the "I'm a pedo but not a monster".
The Church had the roman empire against her, the arians, corruption of the clergy during renaissance, prot reform, French revolution etc and its still going strong. Now its modernism and gay priests but that will end one day.
0dff02 No.690927
>>690791
>who forbid marriage
Not knowing that back then there were cults saying you shouldn't marry be a winnie the pooh degenerate and implying Paul meant it as a prophecy.
1 Corinthians 7:1
Now concerning the things whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
According to your logic Paul says I'll things about himself
More
>implying the church doesn't consider marriage as a Holy Sacrament
>implying Eastern priests can't marry
>not understanding that not everyone wants to have a woman
>not knowing what a vocation is
>interpretating wrongly the scripture on purpose to support your heresy.
fc1e26 No.690929
Its more that the media will bash anything Christian whether it be Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox.
They just hate Christ wherever He is found.
985425 No.690937
>>690927
It is good to not touch a woman, its a suggestion, the roman papy church strictly forbids its clergy to marry , don't lie. And this wasn't always the case for the first thousand years
…
Its an evil wicked innovation
0dff02 No.690945
>>690937
So now Satan calls people to remain celibate then? Hmmmmm
Also Eastern priests can marry retard and in the early church celibacy was a common practice and the church on the 10th century more a less decided to enforce in the west so the priests would find more time to serve better god.
If you want to marry then do it. It means you are no good for a priest. Nobody forces you to become one.
Go cry somewhere else
fef073 No.691085
>>690945
Western clergy can't marry. Evil forbids marriage.
Suggesting celibacy is not equivalent. Repent.
0dff02 No.691091
>>691085
Not an argument kid. Again you choose to be a priest. Nobody forces you.
Once you grow up you'll find out there are people who can keep their dick inside their pants.
728b96 No.691094
>>690770
well if u believe the jewish conspiracy its not unbelievable their is a conspiracy against the catholic church and the pedos and scandals are a expression of it, not saying that there aren't genuine pedos in the church apart from it though.
985425 No.691118
>>691091
The bible literally says clergy should be married.
Nowhere does it forbid marriage for any calling. In fact it speaks against those who forbid marriage.
It is evil to forbid someone to marry who is called to be a preacher/pastor/cleric. And it was not always so for the Western Church.
Repent at least 100x.
df3a59 No.691125
>>691118
>The bible literally says clergy should be married.
The bible never says that you can divorce 3 times and that contraception is OK, yet…
72bf36 No.691169
>>691118
The Church instituted it as a matter of discipline, so that men can fully devote their time to God. A man who has a family at home does not have time to run the parish and to run the family and he cannot fully devote to either duty. And the Council of Carthage said that even if a priest is married he shouldn't have relations with his wife and that that is Apostolic tradition.
Celibacy is not the cause of homosexual priests molesting boys and young men.
6b948f No.691176
Why are prots so eager to say that celibate men would unleash their urges on little kids? Is that projection? Because the more reasonable thing would be that if a priest absolutely COULDN'T stay true to his vows he would probably find an adult female prostitute or something that wouldn't need to rely on extensive coverup networks.
d6ba4e No.691189
>>691169
>A man who has a family at home does not have time to run…
''A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife…One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)'' 1 Tim 3
Your position literally runs contrary to the New Testament. Repent 1000x.
>The Church instituted it as a matter of discipline,
Whatever its reasons of heretical innovation, it is contradictory to the Holy Spirit speaking through the bible. Repent 1000x.
The fruits of your Church aren't fooling anyone anymore.
72bf36 No.691192
>>691189
Oh, sorry, no last rites for your husband maam, I need to watch my kids while my wife is out grocery shopping. Sorry, no confession for longer than 30 minutes, I have to go make lunch for my kids, my wife is working the morning shift. Can't make it to the funeral sorry, I have a PT meeting because my teenage son got into a fight. No evening masses, I have to do homework with my kids. Can't run the parish finances properly because no time, can't meet people because of shor office hours, can't hold wedding preparation classes, can't run RCIA classes, can't run and organize youth programs, catechesis for the first communion and confirmation, etc etc etc.
I know that it's easy for protestant heretic pastors to marry since all they have to do is hold one 'service' a week, sing Oh happy day and go home.
6b948f No.691195
>>691189
>For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am, … I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord – how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world – how he may please his wife. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world – how she may please her husband. And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction
377b35 No.691200
>>690929
Nice sources to go along with your atomic sized assertion. Paranoid much?
d6ba4e No.691201
>>691195
>I wish…I suggest…perhaps…But each one has his own gifts
Stop drawing this false analogy. A wish that recognizes people have different gifts and callings, versus a mandatory injunction against marriage.
Even Peter had a wife.
>>691192
''A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife…One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)'' 1 Tim 3
What part of that don't you understand?
d6ba4e No.691202
2000 years of "tradition" and they still can't read the bible properly, and they still staple fan-fictions to it.
Woe is them.
6b948f No.691216
>>691201
>Stop drawing this false analogy. A wish that recognizes people have different gifts and callings, versus a mandatory injunction against marriage.
Yes, one wish that recognizes that not all are fit to care for the things of the Lord but may have been given His gifts elsewhere. But if one IS to care for the things for the Lord, then he is to be unmarried, because otherwise he will be bound by worldly distractions. It is not a false analogy, it is you who are so blinded by your individual pride that you can't read things straight.
>the husband of one wife
The church is the bride of Christ and this is the wife the epistle talks about. You are reading what you want to read, as is the essence of protestantism anyway.
df3a59 No.691218
>>691202
>2000 years of "tradition" and they still can't read the bible properly
Can the 30,000 denominations do it? Let me guess, yours is the only one that reads it properly!
57f698 No.691220
It's definitely a political move to try and ruin society. Just look at the idea of legalizing gay marriage - it shouldn't have been a legal matter to begin with as marriage is a faculty of the church. But now that it's "legalized" they can use that as an attempt to push for more false churches that will allow such a sinful thing. They are trying to undermine the backbone of western society, the one thing that has stayed strong despite numerous attempts at crushing it.
d6ba4e No.691228
>>691218
the RCC is one of those 30,000. lmao
107e49 No.691233
>>691228
Yeah. The only legit one. rofl
62fcd2 No.691237
>>691228
The 29 999 denominations have one thing in common, they all hate the Catholic Church.
d6ba4e No.691243
>>691237
So do most catholics
62fcd2 No.691244
>>691243
"Catholics" aka people who only go to mass once a year
04e8ea No.691245
"Holy mary mother of God"
What a silly saying. Im starting to dislike this church but hey what can i do
fc1e26 No.691268
>>691200
Satan, you just jelly cuz Jesus loves me!
535af5 No.691294
>>691192
Do the easterners have this issue?
9018af No.691298
>>691294
No. Anon's arguments are typical western familyphobia
0dff02 No.691300
>>691294
That's why Easterners both Catholic and Orthodox don’t allow married priests to become bishops.
869b15 No.691436
>>690770
I think there's a mix. The mass media are hedonistic liberals, and that makes them extremely liable to slander any Trinitarian line since Christian dogma is explicitly against their lifestyles and that makes them mad. On the other hand, it's not like there aren't corrupt people on the business end to give them ammunition either these days. On that end we can go all the way down from Rembrandt Weakland-types in large dioceses to the more granular sections in the Catholic Church. Beyond that they can most certainly go into Prot lines as well, and they do, take Jim Bakker. So there's tons of wickedness for these people to exploit. I mean it's not like traditionalists don't speak of it, we can certainly say that this board, and more mainstream trad outfits like Church Militant are not thoughtless enough to not point out clerical corruption where it exists and certainly the secular press will gorge on that as well as anyone else. And amplify it for their own preferences.
It's also a Catch-22 scenario. For example we have the current problems with Theodore McCarrick, and there seems there may have been stonewalling to protect him and others like him over the years. When you have that kind of corruption, shining a light on it is quite recommended; homosexuality is grave enough even without the rape in question to blow into a new level of evil, and abuse can lead to loss of faith or self-murder (especially when it is given succor). But then if you expose it you get the liberals on it as well and certainly cause a loss of faith all the same. There doesn't seem to be a good answer in this day and age. I take it as a bad sign, with all the corruption to go around from every direction I expect things will get worse before they get better.
8367ff No.691498
>>690770
>Molests kids all across the globe and commit thousands of other heinous crimes in history
Yup must be the Evangelicals who are bad, not the Roman Catholic Church!
29fc65 No.691597
>>691216
>The church is the bride of Christ and this is the wife the epistle talks about.
That's about as believable as a Muslim saying Jesus talks about Mohammad in the the Gospel of John
>>691220
>Vatican 2 is at fault
The abuse pre-dates Vatican 2
6b948f No.691607
>>691597
Except there are multiple references to Jesus having a bride in the Bible.
869b15 No.691617
>>691607
Dan Brown plz go and stay go.
0dff02 No.691635
>>691597
>That's about as believable as a Muslim saying Jesus talks about Mohammad in the the Gospel of John
>Every single Christian from apostolic age onwards believed that the church was the bride of christ
>Some smart ass from the 16th century says otherwise since that would be an argument against his schism.
2ce6f7 No.692108
>>691498
This is a valid point and needed to be addressed, and we can see change for the better already happening on this matter.
However my point is, Catholics wouldn't play with all the financial trickery that ends up being a burden on the many for the benefit of the few.
The last Catholic president would have prevented the 2008 crisis by exposing the banking cartel before it could end the gold-standard. Over a million families lost their homes as a result of his assassination. Wage slavery is now rampant, people drug themselves, you see middle-class women entering prostitution to make ends meet (take a look at the sugar dating sites, now an industry). I don't see the Evangelical elite coming together to reverse the vicious cycle, quite the opposite.
48a8a8 No.692679