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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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e31b11  No.689961

How can you be saved if you are ignorant of the Gospel?

The typical response may be, "Well those who don't know the Gospel will be saved out of ignorance." Well then, why even spread the Gospel in the first place if they were already saved?

It might be responded, "Well then not even ignorance saves a person, they must know the Gospel and accept Christ to be saved, ignorant or not."

To this Bertrand Russell responds, and so far is the only thing from him that I have found challenging and compelling is, then why doesn't God just give the knowledge of Christianity to everyone? Sure one can come to knowledge of God through reason, but the Gospel and the incarnation and such are all revelation, and without knowing which one cannot be saved according to the last proposition. So then, why doesn't God just reveal Christianity to everyone?

4030cf  No.689966

>>689961

Have them read St. Justin Martyr


e31b11  No.689967

>>689966

What does he say about this?


443240  No.689971

Reminds me of this video. Honestly I don't know what to respond to most of the points in it. Anyone want to help out by giving a detailed response?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSz64rIb6sE


ffcf28  No.689974

>Well then, why even spread the Gospel in the first place if they were already saved?

The Gospel is goon news that have an effect on people. So it must be proclaimed and there is no reason to reject it.

>why doesn't God just give the knowledge of Christianity to everyone?

That is like asking "why doesn't God create a levver thatn spits truth when pushed"? It is a question that assumes an obsession with a manmade efficiency and commodity, trying to play God. It implies that what God does is nonsensical because it doesn't follow what some fedora assumes is what God would definitely do because it fits his retarded obsession with "efficiency".

We could ask the same about everything: "why did God create humans?" "Why doesn't God give us infinite food?" "Why doesn't God come down from Heaven and wash my feet?" There is always this entitlement and the audacity of saying "I can determine what a true God would do".


e31b11  No.689977

>>689974

I think the issue here is that if God desires everyone to be saved then why doesn't he just tell give everyone the knowledge of Christ? Is God a sadist? Does he want people to be damned?


1cd77c  No.689997

No one will be saved BECAUSE of ignorance. At best, someone who is completely ignorant of the gospel may still be saved by God’s grace, leading to them living a very good life in their ignorant circumstances. But most people who are ignorant of Christ are unrepentant sinners, who will go to Hell because they are unrepentant sinners. Sin deserves punishment, and God is under no obligation to save sinners, he may allow them to continue on in their foolish ways. I’ll be honest, I don’t have much faith in the prospect of non-Christians being saved, but I still treat it as a possibility.


aa9c03  No.690044

>>689961

Does your faith depend on having all the answers, and understanding every motivation? Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding.

To assume that the lack of knowledge concerning Godly motivations somehow undermines the Bible, is a fallacy. The Bible does not deliver all the details of the nature of God. But it gives us everything we need.

This line of thinking is likely infuriating to the Atheist mindset, which is used to the logical and completely detailed systems of a scientifically defined origin of the universe.


0134bd  No.690056

>>689961

>So then, why doesn't God just reveal Christianity to everyone?

because not everyone is worth a winnie the pooh.


41fc7b  No.690113

>>689961

>The typical response may be, "Well those who don't know the Gospel will be saved out of ignorance." Well then, why even spread the Gospel in the first place if they were already saved?

>It might be responded, "Well then not even ignorance saves a person, they must know the Gospel and accept Christ to be saved, ignorant or not."

Your two positions are extremes that are both wrong.

People who do not know the gospel may be saved through a reception of extraordinary grace from god, which they would then need to cooperate with to the best of their ability given their ignorance.

The key is that anyone saved outside of knowing the gospel would be an extraordinary case. It's rare, and isn't defined as to what this extraordinary grace would look like. You cannot assume a person has received the extraordinary grace necessary for salvation just on account of their ignorance.

Thus, it is most rational to spread the gospel, because following the methods given to us in divine revelation, we have an assured method for attaining salvation.

A person who would have been saved on account of extraordinary grace who encounters the gospel would doubtlessly accept it, thus being nothing more than a boon for him, as he now can be even closer to the unknown god that he had loved anyway.

>So then, why doesn't God just reveal Christianity to everyone?

well, he did make sure that christianity was born in palestine…so that it could spread to the greeks…who taught the romans…who became the forefathers of the modern europeans…who took it to every savage on earth with their various empires.

The only peoples on earth who still fall under russel's expectations are the small villages of uncontacted tribes…who for all we know, may indeed experience extraordinary graces from time to time (doubtful, though…most uncontacted tribes are exceedingly violent and sexually degenerate).


26e9f9  No.690126

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Your problem comes from thinking Salvation is an on-and-off switch.

Salvation is an infinite road, without revelation we are crawling worms instead of walking men. Worms must work much harder to live under Logos, but it is still possible.

However, the Blank Slate, as you put it, is heresy. It denies the Fall.

The average pagan was not a monk praying for salvation, this is an image. Very few men could actually have walked as worms, notably Socrates and Plato had good knowledge of Morality. And it is possible since it was available to Man through the heart since the beginning of the ages.

St. Justin Martyr/The Philosopher wrote a lot about it, and the revisionists see him as highly "problematic" because it implies the Jerusalem vs Athens false dichotomy is false and that the Logos is True instead of Kabbalistic Flux (Chokhmah).


7e819d  No.690146

>>689971

Well I'm 1 minute in and he's already completely wrong on the first point he's made.

"To begin with we should understand that truth for the Abrahamic religions are based on texts revealed by one founder, at one point in history in one geographical location and in one language"

Really? The Bible was written over a period of a thousand years with a variety of different books by a variety of different authors. It was written in both Hebrew and Greek.


f82020  No.690163

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>>689971

>the God of Christianity AND Islam


ea9993  No.690218

>>689961

God does not just give us infinite knowledge. For example. God created the world in a way that we cannot guess. It is spherical and there are seven other planets and we all revolve around the sun, and they all have a random number of moons. Our redemption and and the truth isn't something we can guess either. Christianity is different from other religions becase it was God contacting us rather than us trying to contact God.




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