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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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614b86 No.681962

This thread contains two questions/topics to discuss.

>196. If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out. [An eye for an eye.]

>200. If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out. [A tooth for a tooth ]

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/hamframe.asp

Assuming the traditional authorship of the Pentateuch, the dates for when the Exodus would have occurred according to the available Biblical data suggests a time period from no more than 1550 B.C. and no less than 1150 B.C., with the mid 13th century B.C. (roughly 1250 B.C. give or take a decade) being the most likely time period as to when the Exodus occurred and the mid 15th century B.C. (1450 B.C. give or take a decade) being the second most likely. This means that the Pentateuch would've been written around this time period(s) spanning 40 years.

Hammurabi (1810 B.C. - 1750 B.C.; rule 1792 B.C. - 1750 B.C.) at the very least would've reigned around 200 years before the events of the Exodus and at the very most would've reigned around 600 years before the events of the Exodus with around 500 years before the events of the Exodus being most likely and 300 years before the event as being the second most likely.

This is all assuming the traditional authorship of the Pentateuch without taking into considering the so called Documentary hypothesis (JEPD) or it's various revised forms. The documentary hypothesis typically dates the composition of the Pentateuch in between 1000 B.C. and 350 B.C having been composed by two to four different sources.

Were the biblical texts inspired by the code of Hammurabi in some regards? The laws of the Pentateuch are actually pretty darn generous when compared to a lot of the things founds in Hammurabi, still in this regard it just looks like perhaps there might've been some influence, even the wording is similar.

Also, another add on question. Multiple times throughout the text it refers to "God", not "the gods" or "a god", but literally God. For example:

>then Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.

>103. If, while on the journey, an enemy take away from him anything that he had, the broker shall swear by God and be free of obligation.

Now I don't know much about Babylonian mythology, and maybe there is something in the text that I missed or maybe it's a translation error (despite appearing numerous times throughout the text and in different translations as well) but, what do you think this could mean? Obviously they're polytheist idol worshipers yet even they seem to take note of "God". Seriously, what could this possibly mean?

e1e619 No.681967

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a79099 No.681968

careful, if you question the primacy of the old testament here you get banned. even if you have a superior argument than the admin himself can muster.


614b86 No.681971

>>681968

I am not in any way attempting to be disrespectful to the holy scriptures, I simply wanted to create a discussion over this issue and hopefully receive some answers.


7f7efd No.681982

If we are to believe that the Bible is true than and argument could be made that Hammarabi and Gilgamesh are recording the same events and laws as the Bible, albeit in from a Christian perspective, a corrupted way. To peraphrase several Church Fathers, man has always had a little bit of God’s truth in culture, it’s just that Christianity contains the fullness of truth.


17bd46 No.681991

>>681968

>In this moment, I am euphoric


d2d118 No.682002

>/christian/ - Near Eastern Philology


4798aa No.682012

A lot of people on /christian/ are confused when they see similarities between ancient texts, and that itself is confusing. Keep in mind Wisdom 6:12-16:

>Resplendent and unfading is Wisdom, and she is readily perceived by those who love her and found by those who seek her. She hastens to make herself known to those who desire her; one who watches for her at dawn will not be disappointed for she will be found sitting at the gate. For setting your heart on her is the perfection of prudence, and whoever keeps vigil for her is quickly free from care; because she makes her rounds seeking those worthy of her, and graciously appears to them on the way, and goes to meet them with full attention.


e1e619 No.682016

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130866 No.682036

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36ecf5 No.682077

>>681962

The Bible makes reference to numerous people that lived in that period and who worshipped God and were not Israelites, such as Melchizedek.


faab2a No.682141

>If something predates the Bible, the Bible copied it

I want this meme to die.


d83051 No.682159

>>681962

>Hammu(((rabi)))

(((They))) forged this whole thing. Hammurabbi never existed nor did this code of his. (((They))) forged it to make it look like the Bible plagiarized.


3c03c6 No.682168

>>681962

Well, I'll only skimmed your post. But from what I can gather there are multiple approaches one can take to this.

1. It's the other way around >>681982

2. They independently came up with the same rule, not unheard of if said rule is a good idea

3.They worshipped God >>682077

King Darius would be an example of a babalonian who worshipped God, I would even say Hammurabi was inspired by him if not that I don't know when King Darius ruled.


4448b0 No.682195

does OP not know that Moses wrote the pentateuch?


a79099 No.682243

>>681991

>>682016

>>682036

>"parts of the old testament are faked"

>"wow ur a atheisssst?!"

What a purely Christian set of replies, no other religions adherents would reply to my post like that, just Christians.


3b9eb3 No.682342

>>681962

If we take the Eruption of Thera as coinciding with the plague of darkness (this also lines up the destruction of Jericho with the carbon dating of the walls of Jericho), then we're looking at around 1650BC to 1550BC.

> Now I don't know much about Babylonian mythology, and maybe there is something in the text that I missed or maybe it's a translation error (despite appearing numerous times throughout the text and in different translations as well) but, what do you think this could mean? Obviously they're polytheist idol worshipers yet even they seem to take note of "God". Seriously, what could this possibly mean?

Most of the Israelites were polythestic - it is possible that God revealed himself to the Babylonians, as he did to many others (e.g. the Assyrians of Nineveh through the prophet Jonah). Abraham knew about God before he was called in the book of Genesis - he wasn't a polytheist before God spoke to him. I have no doubt that other groups of people have known about God throughout the ages.


c3c820 No.682360

>>682159

I wouldn't say that. It's likely he could have arrived at the same kind of morality through reason, like how Plato had some correct conclusions about the nature of God.

>>682243

>Calls the history cited by Christ a lie

>Gets called un-Christian

>Whines about it


a79099 No.682368

>>682360

>Christ cited literally every word in the old testament

>Christ the Son of God wasn't sent to earth to REPAIR A BROKEN COVENANT

>A COVENANT BROKEN BY REVISIONS TO THE OLD TESTAMENT

Yeah you know your scripture.


c3c820 No.682372

>>682368

It's not "broken". He came to fulfill the old law, not destroy it. The Pentatuch isn't some kind of hoax or mistake.


f6f0f9 No.682464

>>682368

>BROKEN BY REVISIONS TO THE OLD TESTAMENT

Where does the bible say that?


faab2a No.682483

>>682243

>How Christian of you!

Why are atheists like this?


c92430 No.682504

>>682483

They think they know Christianity better then Christians.

Such Atheism is a religion of arrogance


7e6313 No.682541

File: 33aa6e2adccc1ce⋯.png (82.96 KB, 1200x510, 40:17, 1200px-Aten.svg.png)

What does /christian/ think of Atenism?


c3c820 No.682558

>>682541

Correct about there being one God, but that's it. Died with the pharaoh that came up with it.




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