/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

This is my experience. In college I took a comparative religions class and throughout the class we tried a few times to define religion. For our final we had to write about the point of religion, deciding on a definition of religion that we would hold to in the paper. Ever since that experience I haven't really had the patience to talk to these kinds of people because the exercise made me realize that to define religion in a way that this makes sense you have to define religion against something that you don't like instead of defining it in a way that fairly includes all things that are apparently religion and excludes things that are obviously not religion. When you've put some effort into defining religion and thinking about the implications of your definition things like this come crumbling down. SO I guess ask them to define religion and then ask them how a variety of religions fit or don't fit into their description

Make a convincing argument against it by starting an uncucked church that gets back to roots and scares the authorities because of how genuine it is.

>>681644

>start an uncucked church

literally every church is cucked. the state and its ungodly statutes are never challeneged by any church.

>>681646

yawn

>>681643

This is a good point.

Ask them also about personal discipline. Not spiritual discipline but even physical discipline. How clean is their house? How good is their diet? Do they live by an actual routine? What kind of things give them pleasrue and why?

You will find that their lack of spiritual rigour has its roots in physical lethargy or dissolution.

>>681643

What's complicated about defining it as:

"a system of beliefs"

Everyone who is logical is religious, philosophy is a type of religion under that definition. The only thing that's not religion- beliefs that aren't a system, in other words, disorganized, piecemeal thoughts that don't make a coherent system.

Which, interestingly, describes every "I'm not religious but I'm very spiritual" person I've ever met.

>>681655

You explained in your post what complicated about defining it that way, even secular philosophy becomes a religion. I'm fine with making observations about how they act like a religion, but I don't think it's legitimate to include secular materialists as religious people

>>681658

>You explained in your post what complicated about defining it that way, even secular philosophy becomes a religion. I'm fine with making observations about how they act like a religion, but I don't think it's legitimate to include secular materialists as religious people

Why not? It'll piss off the Atheists to be referred to as religious, but they are religiously Atheist.

I don't respect people just because they're religious, but being religious is better than having no cohesive system of thought. I don't consider philosophy being religious a problem- it was originally subsumed into theology for just that reason. Now people are ignoring 1000 years of learning to go back to the Greeks but, whatever.

>>681660

>>681661

I just don't think a click is suddenly a religion when enough of them agree, at some point we'll be defining kids soccer teams as religions

No one will change his mind because of a witty comment you make. Man are not guided by reason.

To convert is to experience.

>>681681

I think there's a sense in which this is right, but being less sure in their position helps them consider others more seriously