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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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02ab93 No.676172

http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

>For example, traditionally religious Jews pay little attention to most of the Old Testament, and even very learned rabbis or students who have devoted many years to intensive study may remain largely ignorant of its contents. Instead, the center of their religious world view is the Talmud, an enormously large, complex, and somewhat contradictory mass of secondary writings and commentary built up over many centuries… much of what everyone takes for granted in the Bible is considered in a very different manner.

>On the most basic level, the religion of most traditional Jews is actually not at all monotheistic, but instead contains a wide variety of different male and female gods, having quite complex relations to each other, with these entities and their properties varying enormously among the numerous different Jewish sub-sects, depending upon which portions of the Talmud and the Kabala they place uppermost.

>Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan almost as readily as they pray to God, and depending upon the various rabbinical schools, the particular rituals and sacrifices they practice may be aimed at enlisting the support of the one or the other. Once again, so long as the rituals are properly followed, the Satan-worshippers and the God-worshippers get along perfectly well and consider each other equally pious Jews, merely of a slightly different tradition. One point that Shahak repeatedly emphasizes is that in traditional Judaism the nature of the ritual itself is absolutely uppermost, while the interpretation of the ritual is rather secondary. So perhaps a Jew who washes his hands three times clockwise might be horrified by another who follows a counter-clockwise direction, but whether the hand-washing were meant to honor God or to honor Satan would be hardly be a matter of much consequence.

>But unfortunately, there is also a far darker side, primarily involving the relationship between Jews and non-Jews, with the highly derogatory term goyim frequently used to describe the latter. To put it bluntly, Jews have divine souls and goyim do not, being merely beasts in the shape of men. Indeed, the primary reason for the existence of non-Jews is to serve as the slaves of Jews, with some very high-ranking rabbis occasionally stating this well-known fact. In 2014, Israel’s top Sephardic rabbi used his weekly sermon to declare that the only reason for the existence of non-Jews is to serve Jews and do work for them. The enslavement or extermination of all non-Jews seems an ultimate implied goal of the religion.

>Whereas pious Muslims consider Jesus the holy prophet of God and Muhammed’s immediate predecessor, according to the Jewish Talmud, Jesus is perhaps the vilest being who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity in the bottommost pit of Hell, immersed in a boiling vat of excrement. Religious Jews regard the Muslim Quran as just another book, though a totally mistaken one, but the Christian Bible represents purest evil, and if circumstances permit, burning Bibles is a very praiseworthy act. Pious Jews are also enjoined to always spit three times at any cross or church they encounter, and direct a curse at all Christian cemeteries. Indeed, many deeply religious Jews utter a prayer each and every day for the immediate extermination of all Christians.

>Over the years prominent Israeli rabbis have sometimes publicly debated whether Jewish power has now become sufficiently great that all the Christian churches of Jerusalem, Bethleham, and other nearby areas can finally be destroyed, and the entire Holy Land completely cleansed of all traces of its Christian contamination. Some have taken this position, but most have urged prudence, arguing that Jews needed to gain some additional strength before they should take such a risky step. These days, many tens of millions of zealous Christians and especially Christian Zionists are enthusiastic advocates for Jews, Judaism, and Israel, and I strongly suspect that at least some of that enthusiasm is based upon ignorance.

Much, much more at the article itself (including discussion of the blood "libel"). Written by Ron Unz, himself a lapsed agnostic Jew, drawing on the writings of Israel Shahak, Ariel Toaff, and others. Thoughts on this from /christian/'s designated JIDF judeophile progressives? It seems we can't have any discussion without someone proclaiming the jews our brothers in faith, or even more disgustingly exclaiming "Jesus was a Jew!" Perhaps this discussion can finally put such absurd apologism to rest. Although tangentially related to politics I would urge the mods restraint in deleting or bumplocking this thread, as it has everything to to with religious comparison between Christianity and Talmudic Judaism, ecumenism, supersessionism, etc.

b0a3f3 No.676179

>>676172

We are the real Jews, talmudists are heretics


a04915 No.676226

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>>676172

>One point that Shahak repeatedly emphasizes is that in traditional Judaism the nature of the ritual itself is absolutely uppermost, while the interpretation of the ritual is rather secondary. So perhaps a Jew who washes his hands three times clockwise might be horrified by another who follows a counter-clockwise direction, but whether the hand-washing were meant to honor God or to honor Satan would be hardly be a matter of much consequence.

Now that's Pharisaical.


8b7049 No.676236

Ex-Jew here, studied at an Orthodox Yeshiva

>>676172

>traditionally religious Jews pay little attention to most of the Old Testament, and even very learned rabbis or students who have devoted many years to intensive study may remain largely ignorant of its contents.

This is true. Almost all time in Orthodox institutions ia dedicated to study Talmud and halacha (legal codes), with some lite-kabalah lectures to spice things up, and maybe some mussar ("ethics").

>>676172

>the religion of most traditional Jews is actually not at all monotheistic, but instead contains a wide variety of different male and female gods

I've never heard of anything like this.

>>676172

>Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan

Never heard of anything like this either. Satan isn't considered a significant figure in Judaism, he has a very minor and peripheral role. So, even if some Jews were set on worshipping angels or false Gods they probably wouldn't choose Satan, they'd worship Metatron or Enoch or something (which was an actual thing in late antiquity and Middle Ages).

>>676172

>so long as the rituals are properly followed, the Satan-worshippers and the God-worshippers get along perfectly well and consider each other equally pious Jews, merely of a slightly different tradition.

Besides the Satan part, the idea expressed here is basically true. Judaism does not have Dogma like Christianity or Aqidah like Islam. Their beliefs are extremely fluid which is what allows them to blend in to different times and places, but the rigidity of their practice is what keeps them from being absorbed into the surrounding culture. If you point this out to Jews they'll start pontificating about the "13 principles pf Maimonides", but they justbgive it lip service, in reality they are not bound to believe anything contained in there, and in actual fact if you examine the beliefs of many mainstream contemporary Jews they contradict these principles.

As for everything about goyim being inferior etc, yeah such beliefs are fairly widespread.


44b75b No.676238

>>676236

What are you now, out of curiosity? Most ex-Jews I've met became some sort of Evangelical or Pentecostal, and some became Roman Catholic.


8b7049 No.676240

>>676238

I gotta warn you, you probably won't like my answer.

I'm Muslim


44b75b No.676258

>>676240

Is that okay? I mean, most Arabs despise Jews. Don't your Muslim peers bother you?


8b7049 No.676260

>>676258

Not at all. Muslims love converts, amd are very generous. And Arabs are a minority of Muslims, I hardly know any. Anyway, I don't want to distract from the thread topic. Any questions regarding my "insider's perspective" on Judaism?


44b75b No.676261

>>676260

No, it was interesting, thank you.

My family is Muslim and I don't know one person who doesn't despise Jews, even my secular parents do.


8b7049 No.676270

>>676261

So you converted to Christianity? Which branch?


44b75b No.676285

>>676270

Eastern Orthodox.

Curious - which country are you in? I'm in France and every Muslim here is an Arab or a black African.


8b7049 No.676294

>>676285

US, I've heard the US and European Muslim communities are quite different in a lot of ways.


3a368a No.676295

You guys should check out KosherTorah.com if you want to get the real dirt. The rabbi who runs it is very open about all sorts of weird esoteric things, kabbalah, curses, angels, demons, aliens, Satan, views on Jesus, gentiles, Christians, the Jewish messiah, etc. It's very interesting and a bit scary.


43eadf No.676326

>>676236

Could you explain Metatron exactly? Isn't he supposed to be some kind of super Arch-Angel being similar to how Arius viewed Jesus in relation to God.


8b7049 No.676362

>>676326

I don't know much about that subject. All I know is that Metatron played a big role in eary Jewish mysticism to the point where some sects actually worshipped him (it?). Some sort of super archangel, as you put it. Eventually, Metatron was phased out of Jewish mystical discourse, it's become kind of outmoded. Nowadays, Jewish mysticism is all about "Ein Soph Aur" and "Tzimtzum" and "Klipoth" etc.


484981 No.676377

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73667a No.676389

>>676236

Why in the world is the Talmud so ridiculously large? It has always seemed to me that modern Judaism has become a mystery religion and that the sheer size of its sources means that you'll forever be at the mercy of the rabbis if you're a layman.


3eaa9a No.676392

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>676240

Why would you choose Islam? I thought Jews were supposed to be really intelligent. Are you saying you'd rather follow a pedophile rather than the Lord Jesus Christ? You know Islam is just a mix of Judaism and Christianity with Arabian polytheism right? The Kaaba and the black rock are all holdovers from Arabian paganism, also the Muslims idea of jinn is also a hold over from Arabian polytheism. The Qur'an also has been shown to have directly plagiarized portion from Christian apocryphal works and the Talmud. See the video which explains this in further detail.


169734 No.676393

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>>676172

>Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan almost as readily as they pray to God


48e70a No.676404

>>676389

>>676392

I have responses to all of those criticisms/insinuations but this is not the thread for it, sorry. It will just end up being a huge argument.

>>676389

It is an assemblage of debates and opinions on Jewish law (plus some stories and weird stuff thrown into the mix here and there) collected over a very long period of time. Eventually the Jews got tired of relying exclusively on this text, from which it is often very difficult to derive clear rulings, and so some of their foremost rabbis started making much more straightforward legal compilations (Maimonides was a pioneer of this, but he was very heavily opposed at the time) Nevertheless, and despite the existence of such legal compilations, to this day, they still mainly study Talmud in Yeshiva. Judaism and the Talmud are inseparable because the Talmud IS Judaism, even more so than the Torah.


9f631f No.676411

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>>676393

Hey what do you know, the Book of Revelation is correct, they are truly the Synagogue of Satan. It really makes you think.


0eb487 No.676412

>>676404

Modern Judaism has very little in common with Judaism as practiced in the first century. No sacrifices, no temple. Yet they have the cheek to pretend that they're the inheritors of the covenant with God and not Christians


984c30 No.676417

>>676404

Seriously man if you even have half a brain you'd known how bullshit Islam is though. I don't think you're a real Jew tbh.


9f631f No.676420

>>676417

Nah he is, they're all retarded


48e70a No.676423

>>676412

Exactly. I always felt that Christianity was in many ways much more similar to Biblical Judaism. Having attended Orthodox liturgies, it felt that this must have been something like that being in the Temple.

>>676417

>Seriously man if you even have half a brain you'd known how bullshit Islam is though.

I mean, I've studied different branches of Christianity, attended Church, studied Hinduism, studied other religions. I feel like I made a fairly informed decision. Sorry to disappoint.

>I don't think you're a real Jew tbh.

Well, I converted out of it so I'm sort of not (although they still consider me Jewish since Judaism does not recognize conversion to other faiths as legitimate).


283706 No.676431

>>676295

Interesting article from the site:

http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/armilus.pdf

The highlights:

-Jews consider Europeans to be Edomites (read the book of Obadiah to know what that means, hint: it's not good). This is the same thing the Black Hebrew Israelites claim about white people, or some Christian Identity people claim about Jews.

-Christianity is regarded as a 'spiritual Edom'

-There is prophesied in Judaism a great and wicked king of Edom/Europe coming who they call Armilus. This is their equivalent of the antichrist.

-Jews believe Jesus is a reincarnation of Esau, who was the father of Edom, and hence he is also the father of the European nations, and also the reincarnation of Cain. They believe he was a very wicked and violent man, the disciples were violent terrorist, etc.

-They say that regardless of whether he was physically Jewish, his soul was not Jewish, since he was the reincarnation of Esau. He essentially had a European's soul.

-There is a story in ancient Midrashic sources about a meeting place under Rome with a statue of a beautiful woman. Pagan priests would spill their seed in the statue and it would become pregnant and bring forth a child. This is Armilus.

-This story is said to be a coded reference to Jesus, the city being Rome, the statue being Mary. So this end time antichrist figure Armilus who the Jews prophesy of will be a reincarnation of Jesus, who is a reincarnation of Edom and Cain.

This is just one article, there is more shocking beliefs unveiled in the dozens of other PDFs on the site. I highly recommend you read it and maybe download or archive the articles before this goes down the memory hole.


2f7272 No.676461

OUR LORD IS JEWISH

HATRED OF THE JEWS IS HATRED OF CHRIST

HATRED IS NOT WELCOME

GO AND FLY WITH YOUR OWL BROTHERS HOOT


f0ce84 No.676470

>>676431

Now that's winnie the poohed up.


9f631f No.676471

>>676461

Why don't you say your catchphrase anymore Owl bro

ASHES AND ECHOES


484981 No.676477

>>676461

But not yiddish.


2f7272 No.676481

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>676477

YES YIDDISH

JESUS WAS JEWISH

POL IS THE ANTICHRIST THAT BELEIVES THAT THEY ARE THE TRUE GODS BECAUSE THEY HAVE WHITE (CURSED LIKE LUCIFER THE LIGHT BRINGER AKA THE WHITE BRINGER) FLESH

JESUS WAS JEWISH

BOW


484981 No.676484

>>676481

>YES YIDDISH

MODS!


520dc1 No.676498

>>676236

>Satan isn't considered a significant figure in Judaism

I was watching this video of an Israeli Jew who said that Jews don't believe that Satan is evil but that he was created by God for the purpose of testing people and is just following God's directions when he causes bad things to happen. Is this a common view among Jews or was this guy on the fringes?


283706 No.676508

>>676461

Who are you addressing this too? The Unz guy linked in the OP is Jewish or part Jewish himself considering he references himself going to synagogue as a kid and his Jewish grandmother. And the author of the book he read that redpilled him was Israel Shahak, who again, is Jewish. And an anon in this thread who offered to tell us what he knows about Judaism is an (ethnic) Jew. And the website KosherTorah.com that I linked is by a Jewish rabbi. So all this thread is is the opinions of Jews on Judaism. I'm not seeing anti-Semitism, in the sense of hating people for their ethnicity. We are talking about the modern Jewish religion, which is way different from anything Jesus supported.


9f631f No.676511

>>676481

An image board is the anti-christ lol


b0f367 No.676618

>>676498

Yes, it's a common view.


520dc1 No.676689

One thing I often here from people defending the Talmud is that much of it is just a collection of debates between rabbis and not explicit teachings that Jews are to follow(though what little of it I read seemed more like a collection of quotes.) Is this true?


c23d74 No.676691

>>676423

>>676412

We need to drop this "Biblical Judaism" meme.

It's more accurately to retroactively call it "Old Testament Christianity"

Judaism is a false religion that jews culturally appropriated.


ef0339 No.676881

>>676691

BABOW

Wrooo-hooo-hooong there sweetheart. Judaism is the true faith in the sense that it is the most traditional. When's the last time any of your churches called out the wicked? Yeah didn't think so.


c23d74 No.676894


4e9fbe No.677216

>>676431

Fun fact: the deduction some people come to that Job did not simply befriend Edomites but was one of them did occur to the rabbis, who proceeded to insult and malign Job in their expanded universe of the scripture as being a cowardly and evil man who was partly responsible for the Egyptians slaughter of the Israelite children.


2f55e0 No.677269

>>676461

Just chastisement is not hatred.

>>676689

The question you should be asking is if the average Jew follows the Talmud, knowingly, or unknowingly.




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