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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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02cdae No.672513

Hello, /christian/, first time posting here.

I've been soul searching lately and been wanting to accept Christ as my Lord and Saviour. But my loose readings of the Bible sometimes make me question my faith. Case in point these verses I came across on /pol/, Mathew 15:22-29:

>22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

>23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

>24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

>25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

>26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

>27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

>28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

>29 And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.

I'm much too inexperienced with the Holy Book to have anything other than an incomplete and shallow understanding of these verses. I understand that this sounds silly, but it sounds wrong to me. Can you please share your thoughts and interpretations?

Thank you kindly, friends, and God bless.

88e995 No.672517

>>672513

When in doubt, read what the Saints and Church Fathers say about the subject, especially St. John Chrysostom. He was right about almost everything.

http://newadvent.org/fathers/200152.htm

If you don't want to read the whole thing, this is the important part:

For if He had not meant to give, neither would He have given afterwards, nor would He have stopped her mouth again. But as He does in the case of the centurion, saying, "I will come and heal him," Matthew 8:7 that we might learn the godly fear of that man, and might hear him say, "I am not worthy that You should come under my roof;" Matthew 8:8 and as He does in the case of her that had the issue of blood, saying, "I perceive that virtue has gone out of me," Luke 8:46 that He might make her faith manifest; and as in the case of the Samaritan woman, that He might show how not even upon reproof she desists: John 4:18 so also here, He would not that so great virtue in the woman should be hid. Not in insult then were His words spoken, but calling her forth, and revealing the treasure laid up in her.

But do thou, I pray you, together with her faith see also her humility. For He had called the Jews "children," but she was not satisfied with this, but even called them "masters;" so far was she from grieving at the praises of others.

"Why, the dogs also," says she, "eat of the crumbs that fall from their master's table." Matthew 15:27

Do you see the woman's wisdom, how she did not venture so much as to say a word against it, nor was stung by other men's praises, nor was indignant at the reproach? Do you see her constancy? He said, "It is not meet," and she said, "Truth, Lord;" He called them "children," but she "masters;" He used the name of a dog, but she added also the dog's act. Do you see this woman's humility?

Hear the proud language of the Jews. "We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man;" John 8:33 and, "We be born of God." John 8:41 But not so this woman, rather she calls herself a dog, and them masters; so for this she became a child. What then says Christ? "O woman, great is your faith." Matthew 15:28

Yea, therefore did He put her off, that He might proclaim aloud this saying, that He might crown the woman.

"Be it unto you even as you will." Now what He says is like this: "Your faith indeed is able to effect even greater things than these; nevertheless, Be it unto you even as you will."

This was akin to that voice that said, "Let the Heaven be, and it was." Genesis 1:3

"And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

Do you see how this woman too contributed not a little to the healing of her daughter? For to this purpose neither did Christ say, "Let your little daughter be made whole," but, "Great is your faith, be it unto you even as you will;" to teach you that the words were not used at random, nor were they flattering words, but great was the power of her faith.

The certain test, however, and demonstration thereof, He left to the issue of events. Her daughter accordingly was straightway healed.

But mark thou, I pray you, how when the apostles had failed, and had not succeeded, this woman had success. So great a thing is assiduity in prayer. Yea, He had even rather be solicited by us, guilty as we are, for those who belong to us, than by others in our behalf. And yet they had more liberty to speak; but she exhibited much endurance.

And by the issue He also excused Himself to His disciples for the delay, and showed that with reason He had not assented to their request.


c0c0b7 No.672518

>>672513

>I understand that this sounds silly, but it sounds wrong to me.

Don't worry, that happens on occasion as predicted in 1 john 3:18-22

>My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

>And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

>For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

>Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

>And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

So just keep reading and believing and doing what God says in the Bible, the confidence of your heart part comes later.


681e91 No.673181

>>672513

were you there for /pol/ 177777777????

that was revolutionary


71744a No.673199

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That passage is about His love for Gentiles even though it can be easily misunderstood for jewish supremacy.


3e5421 No.673204

>>672513

Isn't the passage basically Jesus testing the Canaanite womans faith?




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