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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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b1d457 No.668153

I've had enough of this nonsense about 'muh based Orthodoxy'. The argument follows the same logic as 'muh based muslims.' I'll tell you right now the reason that Orthodoxy is perceived as much more conservative than Catholicism. It isn't Vatican II, nor is it some jewish infiltration conspiracy, and most importantly, it has nothing to do with actual doctrine. The reason the Orthodox Church is more conservative is because it operates in strictly conservative, by comparison, regions of the world. Orthodoxy spans eastern Europe, Greece, the Middle East, and Russia, with some also in Ethiopia. All of these regions are far more conservative than Western Europe, North America, and Latin America. An enormous percentage of Catholicism's followers live in the liberalized West. Therefore, the Catholic Church has toned down its conservative preaching in favor of a more liberal marketing in order to reach this liberal audience. Catholicism still hasn't changed any doctrine, Scripture, or theology whatsoever, they've merely had a handful of liberal clergy and general leadership in order to appeal to the less religious West. Orthodoxy doesn't have to market to a liberal audience as much because its entire populations are slavic, greek, or arab, and are conservative by cultural origin, not because of the religion itself.

I guarantee that if Orthodoxy was larger in the West, it would present itself to a more liberal audience as well. You can already see this with the more 'open-minded' Orthodox Churches in the US, with some priests even asking for the support of homosexuals, a far cry from this myth of 'the orthodox church spits on gays'.

To sum this up: Orthodoxy's conservatism is rooted in its geography, as is Catholicism's very recent liberalism due to its more universal audience. You should not be choosing your denomination from the perceived attitudes of 'muh based' Russians, Copts, and Greeks, but on the doctrine and theological arguments.

6924a7 No.668156

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>>668153

C O P E

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57d437 No.668159

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>>668153

> The reason the Orthodox Church is more conservative is because it operates in strictly conservative, by comparison, regions of the world.

Neat hypothesis except for the vast amounts of Leftist-Commie atheist degeneracy they dealt with for decades and decades.

> An enormous percentage of Catholicism's followers live in the liberalized West. Therefore, the Catholic Church has toned down its conservative preaching in favor of a more liberal marketing

That's retarded, don't compromise. Majority of Orthodox priests were sent to gulags for not compromising with the spirit of the times….

>Orthodoxy's conservatism is rooted in its geography

theres nothing magical about geography that makes one area more conservative than another, its the people and their will and culture.

Your analysis is embarrassing


aa4cc0 No.668160

>>668153

Alt right converts go to the flavour of the month. Some to pagan delusions, other to absurd political ideologies, others to fringe christian denomination.

It's just a fluke.

God willing some of them will be able to leave their delusions of purity and become true orthodox believers, in the process abandoning this retarded marketing they do.


0f6f7f No.668162

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972754 No.668164

The amount of people converting to Orthodoxy makes some people very salty it seems


57d437 No.668166

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>>668164

they hate us cause they aint us.


d18566 No.668169

This is wild speculation at best and as others have said the Russian Orthodox suffered under intense pressure from a leftist regime that said morality is fictional and emerged stronger than ever. Not to say that they don't have serious problems (who doesn't in this day and age?) but the idea that Orthodoxy's conservatism is purely geographical and coincidental is silly.


b249ad No.668174

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do not reply to obvious (1)-post d&c threads


bf6934 No.668175

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>>668153

>Catholicism still hasn't changed any doctrine, Scripture, or theology whatsoever,

Yes it has.


af801f No.668182

>>668159

Bro stalin put faggots in the gulag while the West promoted them.


72d4d0 No.668184

Maybe true, OP, yet we should look at he beam in our eye.

Let the Orthodox folks alone, we have to fix ourselves first if we want to be tools of God's hands for the good of men.


1b17cc No.668186

>>668153

>WAAAAAH, WAAAAAH, LET ME OPEN YET ANOTHER ANTIORTHODOX THREAD

Asides that your """arguments""" are moronic ( >>668159 ), You cant…

>Orthodoxy spans eastern Europe, Greece, the Middle East, and Russia, with some also in Ethiopia

You cant even differentiate between Orthodox and Miaphysites That west labels under meme name "Oriental Orthodox)


fd36a6 No.668190

And there aren't conservative parts of the Western world? Weak theory, man. I live in the Midwest (which is a relatively conservative U.S. region) and the clergy are as liberal as you can get.


d5b475 No.668199

>>668186

>>668156

I don't think this is anti orthodox. He raises some valid points. I've seen a lot of Orthodox larpers in the western world that get baptized, but don't take their faith any further than to seem trad.


d5b475 No.668201

>>668190

I'm not OP, but in my honest opinion conservatism comes from poverty often. And seeing as how Russia, Ukraine and Georgia (and such similar, Orthodox parts of the world) have a lot lower living standards it breeds piety, zealotry and conservatism.So while areas in the US might be conservative, I don't think it comes close to conservatism in Orthodox regions.


f86063 No.668222

>>668201

That's a very modern & progressive mindset though. Just because they have less material wealth doesn't mean they live in poverty. Buying a 50 inch TV every month doesn't mean you are richer IMO. My wife is from one of the countries you mention and it's sad to see the Westernization going on very time I visit. They have so many things that makes them richer than us (truly organic food because there is no Monsanto crap, family values, respect for elders, etc.)


dea5a8 No.668229

One big factor I think is the cultural factor and media exposure. As Westerners we are constantly exposed to child abuse scandals or some liberal quote from the Pope, these things hit the headlines. But I can assure you the Orthodox Church is as corrupt. They always have big German cars while the parishioners are lucky to drive an old used car, they go to Germany for their medical checks, I mean several Patriarchs were elected in Soviet times where most priests were KGB agents who ignored the Seal of Confession…


1b17cc No.668233

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>>668229

>They always have big German cars while the parishioners are lucky to drive an old used car, they go to Germany for their medical checks, I mean several Patriarchs were elected in Soviet times where most priests were KGB agents who ignored the Seal of Confession…

Ahem…Are you by any chance Georgian?


5061c8 No.668234

>>668229

>I mean several Patriarchs were elected in Soviet times where most priests were KGB agents who ignored the Seal of Confession

>He gained some popularity in the Russian internet in January 2009, before the election of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia. A group of laity started a website, where all users could vote for the future Patriarch. As a result, Daniel, "only bishop not directly related to the former USSR",[4] took the first place ahead of Kirill.[5] The administration of the website zapatriarha.ru then zeroed votes for Daniel and excluded him from a list of candidates, explaining his high ratings as the result of a "hacker attack". Such actions caused Internet voters to accuse the website creators of promoting Kirill.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_(Nushiro)


d56759 No.668246

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e452fa No.668253

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>>668252

>the true Church belongs only to eastern europeans and middle easterns

Get a load of this demon


969474 No.668258

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>>668153

>Catholicism still hasn't changed any doctrine, Scripture, or theology whatsoever,

>t. Someone that hasn't read Nostra Aetate

Nice try, (((OP))) you can fool everyone else but you can't fool me. Muslims don't worship the same God as us, and Jews aren't our greatest allies.


e452fa No.668265

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>>668259

>the gates of hell have prevailed against the catholic church

>the catholic church is the true Church


fd36a6 No.668266

>>668252

>killing all the jews and /\/iggers

Wow, that is so anti-Christian, it's not even funny. You shouldn't joke about stuff like that.

>John 9:54-56

>And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

>But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

>For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.


e452fa No.668272

Go back mr. ""catholic""

>>>/asatru/


fd36a6 No.668275

>>668268

>jews reject and killed Christ

And that's the unpardonable sin???

>/\/iggers are not even people

Everything reproduces after it's own kind. If Blacks aren't people, how are they reproducing with other races? Stormfag, please go


969474 No.668276

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>>668268

>Blacks are too dumb to understand the Gospel


738819 No.668279

>>668277

>we wuz moses n sheit

>why do people believe that nonsense? blacks were only ever brought north of the sahara as slaves. moses would have been middle eastern like everybody else from that area in that time period

Would it kill you to research something before posting nonsense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_the_Black


738819 No.668282

>>668280

Wow you really are upset that someone called you out on your retardation.


969474 No.668283

>>668280

<oh shit I got some facts wrong

<better post these meme I found to distract from me getting BTFO

/pol/ish Taquiyya everyone


c3e265 No.668291

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>>668153

>The reason the Orthodox Church is more conservative is because it operates in strictly conservative, by comparison, regions of the world.

>Russia is conservative


fd36a6 No.668294

>>668277

>how foolish would you have to be to think the jews would ever repent?

Who is the Apostle Paul?

>muh mules tho

Mules can't have viable offspring. Blacks + other races can. Checkmate, stormfag.


a8d214 No.668296

>>668153

1. Society’s are made up of people

2. People are affected by their religion

3. Places where a conservative religion is located became conservative

4. Places where a liberal religion is located become liberal

Nice theory, but it’s wrong. If Eastern Europe was Catholic and Western Europe was Orthodox, than Eastern Europe would be the sight of worldwide globohomo and Protestantism would come from Russia, whereas the west would be a humble, traditional, people


1b17cc No.668300

STOP FEEDING THE RETARDED TROLLS YOU MORONS


e452fa No.668309

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Stop visiting /christian/


dea5a8 No.668312

>>668233

Why yes, how do you know? (I've heard similar stories from Russians and Moldovans btw)


fd36a6 No.668314

>>668297

>>therefore, the jewish race should be spared from extermination

>wrong

Read Romans 11 and tell me that the Jews should be exterminated, you Satanist.


e452fa No.668316

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>>668313

My known ancestors have been christians for at least 1200 years, no thanks.


fd36a6 No.668327

>>668297

>the jews should be exterminated

Romans 9:1-5

9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.


256c0b No.668329

>>668313

>return to the gods of your ancestors

You mean the gods you don't worship or even believe in? Even Evola and Hitler himself knew you modern "pagans" were pure LARPers. Pathetic.


e452fa No.668331

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>>668329

What can you expect from a guy that follows Kristian Kikernes


b113b0 No.668332

>>668313

Most of my family as far as i can trace back ,is christian, all of it after that just becomes a blur due to bad documentation. You should be making cases for why this stuff is Metaphysically true, not based on pure utilitarian purposes. That's a pretty bad conversion tactic. The closest i've heard was the guy making the case that missionary faiths have to be maintained, but that makes no sense you in your own almost christian like behavior act like the typical Evangelist having to maintain faith assuming in this god/gods. And would more than likely would have had to have come across it in various readings, or some kind of an apologetic. Otherwise we're just playing Buffet religion, going based on what i like not what is true. *I'll have a bit of this, this, oh and this, but certainly not that, and this* Last point is also why i've come to hate protestantism cause they just go by interrupting the bible by opinion of reading, unlike Orthodoxy, or what was in Catholicism, Prior to vactican1, or 2. Based on tradition of the church and doctrine laid down by the councils.


256c0b No.668344

>>668333

>so just let the jews destroy the world then? because of a book?

So every Jew on earth has to be hunted down and murdered? How far are we to go with this? Does this include half-Jews? Quarter-Jews?

Why not just stop them from having control?

<because they'll always come back!!!

Because you let them.

<no! white ppl are just passive victims in all this and have no agency!!! (paganism is about being stronk btw)

k

>christianity came from the middle east

So did pagan traditions according to Varg. What does "coming from the middle east" have to do with something being True?

>no religion is

Then why should anyone be a "pagan"?

>every religion is

Thanks for admitting your atheism.

Flawless "logic" from our "pagan" friend. You would figure the least they could do is brush up on philosophy from the Greeks, being "pagans" after all, but they give their hand away as 13-year-old LARPers every time. This is your brain on /pol/.


b113b0 No.668345

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>>668333

Then, you're ultimately admitting that you are just a naturalist, materialist clothing yourself in some form of pagan clothing. And if that's the case i have no reason, or consideration to take this *Faith* you're semi exposing to take seriously at all. Now then we're just back then at arguments against naturalism, and pure materialism which, you'll come to find are philosophically dead ends. The opposite end of this, and this a real easy example to use would be the christian who larps online all day about muh crusades, muh deus vult. Never gets into any theology, talks about lee jews 24/7. It would be like in this case if said person took down basement, first, and second floor of the foundations of christian belief and only kept a partial foundation which is now faulty at the source, just for pure utilitarian purposes.


e452fa No.668346

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>>668333

>that's not that long in the grand scheme of things and also christianity came from the middle east, it's not a European religion

First, I'm not christian because "muh ancestor" or any other kind of LARP reason (although christianity is european, since it's the main religion of Europe). Second, I barely know anything about my pagan ancestors, except that they were uncivilized barbarians (and it's not something positive). And Third, "muh ancestor" is not a valid reason for anything. Our heathen ancestors practiced all kinds of abominations (e.g. human sacrifice, infanticide, sodomy, etc.) so it's not an arguement.

Now you need to G O B A C K to your containment board

>>>/asatru/


1b17cc No.668351

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>>668305

>dead kike

What does kike mean? Where did this slang originated from, my fagan fren?


ea79ea No.668362

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>>668333

>no religion is

Then give up with spreading your falsehoods, crypto-atheist. How can you lie to yourself and others?

And do you really think paganism is even remotely useful as a religion for society, assuming none are true? Moral relativism based on location? Really? Pretending to worship superheroes with hardly any moral ground? Human sacrifice, orgies, and bestiality, the list of degenerate behaviors goes on for all of your pagan religions.


e452fa No.668365

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>>668363

>he thinks polytheists don't believe in their gods

lol

Your ancestors would probably execute you for being a fedora tipper


aa8e95 No.668380

>>668258

>implying nostra aetate was infallible


ea79ea No.668382

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>>668362

>>668363

What's pathetic is spreading a lie to your own community. What's pathetic is looking at the world that you see and having a total lack of respect for all that which empirically exists, and substituting with your own imagination because it's supposedly useful. What's pathetic is not standing up for what you believe to be the TRUTH, because if you are not standing for the truth you are standing for nothing. You neo-pagans are no different from 18 year old edge lords sprouting 'PRAISE KEK XD', with Odin/Jupiter/etc… as substitute. You replace the truth, and any good moral foundation with it.

Repent, and stop creating more marxists with your moral relativism.


5332f2 No.668387

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>>668363

Oh wow, this post is for real. Every so often there is a post that illuminates the deterioration of modern education.


a8ded6 No.668440

You're absolutely lost. Stop analyzing things like an utilitarian revisionist.

The reason why the papal catholics have changed so much is because they followed the Pope. And the Pope can change because they believe the Church, being the body of Christ, can have the Holy Spirit proceed from it due to the Filioque. It truly puts the Church in the position of Christ and the Father.

Without the Filioque the Primacy makes no sense, but with the Filioque the Primacy is the most logical outcome.

It is a intrinsic Theological issue at fault here and not economics.


bf6934 No.668490

>>668294

>Mules can't have viable offspring. Blacks + other races can.

I'm not that guy, however consider that Black Americans are a hybrid race of around 22% White ancestry. This is the cause of multiple negative health effects due to genetic incompatibility. Consistent with Haldane's rule, unmixed Blacks from Africa and White Americans do not have the same rate of birth problems that hybrid American Blacks have: "In 2005, the mortality rate for black infants was 4.4 times higher than that of white infants. African women who come to the United States and have babies experience the same low rate of infant deaths as white American mothers."

https://archive.is/oYZm9




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