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>>491187

Michael, you goob.

>>663942

The archangel? Why do some people say it's the Roman Empire or some philosophical concept?

Rome. Or rather Spirit of Rome if you name it as such. Our world is still (though in past decades less and less) very Roman. Rome lives through it's customs, vulture and laws being present in his sons (i.e. West).

But there will be day in which Last Roman will die on the side of Mount Olive and world balnce will come to the East, to province of Syria. Rome will no longer hold.

It's the prequel to the Necronomicon

>>663946

Wasn't Rome during that time pagan and the main persecutor of Christians?

>>664014

Yes, but Paul and co. still respects it. 250 years doesn't delete 2700 years of history.

>>664027

Is it some theological argument or your own conclusion?

>>663946

Sounds like that already happened my dude, this perfectly describes the death of the Roman empire followed by the Islamic conquest of most of the former empire.

>>664060

It's tradition that can be almost certainly named apostolic - earliest of Fathers have spoke about tthis interpretation, as well as later prophets of the Church, and it's reinforced by way of speaking about Rome in the Bible (1 Peter, Romans, 1 Maccabees).

>>664072

And did you see The Antichrist? No? Then Rome still stands.

>>664250

Can i have a source?

>>664389

Tertullian (2nd - 3rd century):

'For we know that a mighty shock impending over the whole earth–in fact, the very end of all things threatening dreadful woes—is only retarded by the continued existence of the Roman empire….' CHAP. XXXII.

St. John Chrysostom (c. 347-407) Homilies on Second Thessalonians HOMILY IV.

'…What then is it that withholdeth, that is, hindereth him from being revealed? Some indeed say, the grace of the Spirit, but others the Roman empire, to whom I most of all accede. Wherefore? Because if he meant to say the Spirit, he would not have spoken obscurely, but plainly… But because he said this of the Roman Empire, he naturally glanced at it, and speaks covertly and darkly. For he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities, and useless dangers. …'

St. Jerome (c. 340-420) Commentary on Daniel, Chapter 7, Verse 8.

"… We should therefore concur with the traditional interpretation of all the commentators of the Christian Church, that at the end of the world, when the Roman Empire is to be destroyed, there shall be ten kings who will partition the Roman world amongst themselves. Then an insignificant eleventh king will arise, who will overcome three of the ten kings, …" Commentary on Daniel, Chapter 7, Verse 8.

>>664408

Ok thanks. I always had the impression that by katechon he meant the Holy Spirit

Currently? Donald Trump restraining the satanic elite