/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>648628

No. If they were justified, the Saracens wouldn't have won. God was not on our side.

>>648634

But we did conquer Jerusalem

>>648648

There were about 10 Crusades, starting in 1096 when soldiers from several European countries, including France, Germany, Spain and England, headed east.

The crusaders of the First Crusade managed to recapture the holy city of Jerusalem in 1099. But after almost 50 years of peace, fighting broke out again, with the Muslims the winners.

The Third Crusade made heroes out of the Muslim leader Saladin and the English king, who became known as Richard the Lionheart.

In 1212, teenagers from France and Germany decided they could do better than the older crusaders. But this “Children’s Crusade” never made it to Jerusalem.

More peace treaties and battles followed until 1272,when the Crusades ended with the Muslims maintaining hold of the Holy Land.

>>648648

Once and then lost it and we still don't have it.

>>648656

Deserved? No. But if God is on our side, then who can stand against us?

>>648665

Actually, yes. If God is 100% on your side, you would be invincible. Remember the story of David and Goliath?

>>648665

God doesn't side with frog posters.

The first and maybe third crusades alone were justified

>>648628

YES

We will remove kebab and retake Constantinople. Within ten years too , cap these words

Kek bless you all

>>648628

by secular reasons, there is complete justification, as those lands were Christian until the muslims conquered them.

Were they holy? doubt

>>648628

Absolutely. A lot of people think it was just to capture Jerusalem, but the catalyst that set the whole thing off was the Eastern Roman Empire requesting help to drive the Seljuk Turks out of their land. Rampant Islamic piracy was also a big factor.

>>648634

The Israelites were defeated multiple times before they conquered Canaan, but that was because of the sins of the people, not because their overall goal was wrong or unjustified.

>>648628

Of course not and they went so bad it was almost a divine punishment

Read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma%27arra

>>648628

Yes but horribly executed

>>648628

>crusades

Are there any other series of major military campaigns that span centuries and different areas/different combatants that are lumped together like the crusades?

>>648910

Israel in the Bible conquering canaan and (((fake israel))) conquering the world/middle east. They tend to get lumped in the same group inspite of spanning centuries and different areas/different combatants.

>>648628

Yes. Muslims had raped, murdered and pillaged Christians all the way to Vienna. It was a war of self defense. Hell, we were one cavalry charge away from losing everything.

Without the Crusades, there wouldn't have been any Enlightenment. We would all be slapping our heads towards Mecca and blowing ourselves up over trivial shit.

>>648915

<Without the Crusades, there wouldn't have been any Enlightenment.

<We would all be slapping our heads towards Mecca and blowing ourselves up over trivial shit.

I would take the slapping of our decapitated heads as martyers for Christ and getting blown up over the Bible over the (((enlightenment))) any day.

>>648926

Then you're retarded.

Christianity wouldn't even exist anymore.

>>648931

mark 12:26-27

>And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

>He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

matthew 16:18

>And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

>>648915

>Without the Crusades, there wouldn't have been any Enlightenment

Ok so winnie the pooh the crusades then

>>648931

>he thinks God can be defeated by humans

Lmao fam. Go back to /pol/

>>648941

>and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Yes. Because we fought back. That's why Christianity still exists today; one desperate last and wildly successful cavalry charge that turned mudslimes into kebabs, during the siege of Vienna.

>>648944

That's the type of thinking that led to losing multiple Crusades.

God helps those who helps themselves. You can't just say "Screw it" and expect God to do everything for you.

>>648947

>literally thinking Christianity will ever cease to exist if we dont kill enough Muslims

>>648947

>God helps those who helps themselves. You can't just say "Screw it" and expect God to do everything for you.

Wrong, totally and utterly wrong because you ought to wait on the Lord isaiah 8:12-17

>Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

>Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

>And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

>And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

>Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

>And I will wait upon the LORD,that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

Have an example in wartime in judges 7:1-7

>THEN Jerubbaal, who is Gideon, and all the people that were with him, rose up early, and pitched beside the well of Harod: so that the host of the Midianites were on the north side of them, by the hill of Moreh, in the valley.

>And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people that are with thee are too many for me to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, Mine own hand hath saved me.

>Now therefore go to, proclaim in the ears of the people, saying, Whosoever is fearful and afraid, let him return and depart early from mount Gilead. And there returned of the people twenty and two thousand; and there remained ten thousand.

>And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people are yet too many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there: and it shall be, that of whom I say unto thee, This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee, This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go.

>So he brought down the people unto the water: and the LORD said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink.

>And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water.

>And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.

Now the crusades themselves were totally unjustified as Jesus' kingdom is not of this world and we as Christians are ordered not to fight in john 18:36

>Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

>>648952

Removing saracen invaders is a Christian moral duty. They already have enough of their Islamic shitholes to kill themselves in; there is literally no justification for allowing any of them into any non-mudslime country.

>>648953

>quotes a bunch of Jewish scripture

>followed by one irrelevant passage of Christian scripture

You should move to a Muslim country. You'd get to be a martyr, and serve as yet another example in a landfill of reasons to oppose to spread of Islam.

>>648915

>We would all be slapping our heads towards Mecca

I'm a Baptist. I wouldn't be.

>>648959

>moral/mores/what society thinks duty

>Christian

Pick one.

<followed by one irrelevant passage of Christian scripture

>irrelevant

>saying not to fight for the kingdoms of the world, but rather to wait on the Lord in revelation 11:15 and fight for His kingdom once revelation 11:15 happens is irrelevant

>>648961

>Baptists: 1600s

>Siege of Vienna: mid 1500s

Sorry brother, Baptists likely wouldn't exist if the mudslimes were successful.

>>648963

You're literally quoting how he didn't want his followers to attack the Romans for crucifying him, and how Jesus didn't want to be treated like some kind of conquering nobility.

You know, like the complete opposite of Mohammad, piss be upon him.

>>648967

>Imperatoris Theodosii codex: Book 16, Title 6

16.6.4 The same Augustuses to Hadrianus, Praetorian Prefect.

We sanction by this law that if any person should hereafter be discovered to rebaptize, he shall be brought before the judge who presides over the province. Thus, the offenders shall be punished by the confiscation of all their property, and they shall suffer the penalty of poverty, with which they shall be afflicted forever. But if their children dissent from the depravity of the paternal association, they shall not forfeit the paternal inheritance. Likewise, if perchance they have been involved in the perversity of the paternal depravity and prefer to return to the Catholic religion, the right to acquire possession of such property shall not be denied them. (A.D. 405 febr. 12)

Also I don't even need to go that far back. The diatribe of Zwingli against the "Catabaptists" in Zurich 1527.

>>648969

Even if your we wuzzery of donatists was true, you realize that decree mostly targeted North Africa, that DID get conquered by the muslims, right?

So any mythical protobaptists that were there DID get islamized all the same

>>648969

I assume you're the Baptist; I was raised Roman Caholic, so I used 1609 as the start of Baptism. That doesn't change the fact that Baptist law wouldn't matter if you're all beheaded by mudslimes anyway.

>>648970

That is an utterly disgusting worldview.

In general, turning the other cheek is a good policy when you live in a Christian society, around other Christians.

If you turn your cheek to mudslimes, they'll strike your cheek, strike your other cheek, beheaded you and your family, and then explode.

Context is important.

>>648973

>you realize that decree mostly targeted North Africa

Any reason for saying this?

>>648974

>That doesn't change the fact that Baptist law wouldn't matter if you're all beheaded by mudslimes anyway.

Maybe, but there are also primary sources from both Catholics and Protestants claiming that it both survived and they're still trying to deal with it. The first organized denomination attempt in 1609 doesn't mean too much in the grand scheme of things. I'm not trying to downplay it but still.

Yeah and choosing not to resist muslims is the worst possible decision you can make, you are basically allowing genocide of your own nation. If you try to personally benefit from that instead of fighting it's even more damning. I could never see eye to eye with the goals of someone with those kind of beliefs. It's just unnatural, considering what truth is.

>>648978

The whole "God will take care of it!" mindset reminds me of a "dumb blonde" joke.

Long joke short, she keeps praying to God to win the lottery, over and over again, and eventually God tells her "You have to actually buy a lottery ticket!"

>>648974

<If you turn your cheek to mudslimes, they'll strike your cheek, strike your other cheek, beheaded you and your family, and then explode.

>>648978

<Yeah and choosing not to resist muslims is the worst possible decision you can make, you are basically allowing genocide of your own nation

matthew 5:44-48

>But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

>That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

>For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

>And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

>Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

<I could never see eye to eye with the goals of someone with those kind of beliefs. It's just unnatural, considering what truth is.

So why are you here on /christian/ then? The truth is what God says in the Bible as God can not lie titus 1:2. Thus saith the Lord in john 18:36 that we are not to fight for this world. Thus saith the Lord in romans 13:1-8 to submit to the powers that be as all power is of God. And thus saith the Lord in 1 samuel 15:22-24

>And Samuel said, Hath the LORDas great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

>For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,he hath also rejected thee from being king.

>And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD,and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

What God says in the Bible is very clear on what to do with evil rulers, or of any kind romans 12:19-21

>Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

>Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

>Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

>>648978

>Any reason for saying this?

Weird cults and independent denoms were mostly there and near the persian border.

>>648985

Literally, the best thing you can do for a mudslime is remove them. Double so for "converts". They're too far gone to be reasoned with, and because I love my neighbors, I don't want them to be senselessly run over by a "Truck of Peace".

They already have their own countries where they can, and do that. And we should remove them back to their sandpits, where they can practice their ideology in peace(horrific violence against one another).

What you are unironically stating is "The more dead Christians, the better!"

The only reasonable conclusion I can draw at this point is that you're a filthy mudslime yourself from /Islam/, wanting us to just roll over and die for your pedophile death cult.

>>648985

If any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith.

As a man in my proper place, I have priorities. I have a higher commission to defend my own from those destructive forces than to simply be pacifist. If my own self were the only person threatened or if it were just my personal enemy, then none of this would apply. However, when a threat is this open and declared, it must be treated as what it is, and I respectfully disagree with absolute pacifism. I'm not a sell out.

>Thus saith the Lord in john 18:36 that we are not to fight for this world.

That's not the same as actual self defense, I'm afraid. We're talking strictly honest here, no word games, you have to defend your own from an external threat.

"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

>>648992

>That's not the same as actual self defense

Indeed you are correct. But it is relevant as it means the crusades were not approved by Jesus.

>>648990

>They already have their own countries where they can, and do that. And we should remove them back to their sandpits

I thought you were talking about killing them earlier. I totally agree they should be seperated as 2 corinthians 6:17 exists

>Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

<What you are unironically stating is "The more dead Christians, the better!"

revelation 6:11

>And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

romans 14:7-8

>For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

>For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

>>648998

>I thought you were talking about killing them earlier. I totally agree they should be seperated as 2 corinthians 6:17 exists

When they're invading your country by the millions, then yes, killing them is a moral obligation. They should be separated by a gigantic wall of their corpses.

>I unironically want more dead Christians!

Then kill yourself.

>>649001

Come on, anon, don't you know that you shouldn't feed the poor and just let them starve to death so they can go to Heaven sooner :^)

>>649005

>Come on, anon, don't you know that you shouldn't feed the poor and just let them starve to death so they can go to Heaven sooner :^)

Clearly God wasn't on their side if they literally just waited around for God to shove food directly into their stomachs, and died. :0)

>>649022

It has to do with pacifism if it comes at a personal cost only. Your personal enemy. You can't betray others behind their back though, in the name of pacifism.

Like if you conveniently become a pacifist due to fears of what might happen to you personally for resisting, that's actually being complicit in the enemy violence. You can't just ignore a declared threat. People have always known this, this is a fact that's no laughing matter. Don't learn this the hard way.

2 Chronicles 19:2

And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

>>649109

>It has to do with pacifism if it comes at a personal cost only. Your personal enemy.

This. It's specifically talking about the "eye for an eye" passage in Exodus.

Most people have no idea what "the crusades" actually were. Yes they were justified.

>>649016

<Now tell me, if the Christians hadn't fought back, I, along with most of my friends my age, and possibly even most of the Christian families you see today in the country and in the diaspora, wouldn't even be here today.

>argueing against the word of God to save your life

matthew 16:24-26

>Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

>For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

>For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

You gained that country, and could have possibly lost out on the true country you should be seeking if you didn't do what you did in faith.

>>649109

<Your personal enemy

matthew 5:38-48

>Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

>And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

>And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

>Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

>Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

>But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

>That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

>For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

>And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

>Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

>>648659

>Why do bad things happen to good people?

We're not Jesus. Even with God on our side we, we can still lose and die needlessly even when we justly defend ourselves.

>>649148

I'm not arguing against the Word of God my man. The Christians did what they did in self defense. Surely the Bible doesn't condemn such an act yes?

>>649178

>I'm not arguing against the Word of God my man.

<The Christians did what they did in self defense. Surely the Bible doesn't condemn such an act yes?

matthew 5:39

>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

matthew 16:24-26

>Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

>For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

>For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Romans 13:1-7

>LET every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

>Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

>For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

>For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

>Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

>For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

>Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

>>649181

Luke 22:36

>Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

Gosh golly gee, why would Jesus tell his disciples to buy swords if he was against self defense? It's almost like there's context and nuance to scripture.

>>649183

>why would Jesus tell his disciples to buy swords if he was against self defense

Swords are tools, they can be used for a variety of things, such as chopping thin brances of wood for fires, doing acts 10:10-16,

>And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while

they made ready, he fell into a trance,

>And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and

let down to the earth:

>Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

>And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

>But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

>And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

>This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

and wood carving for shelter purposes amongst many others. Not just for killing humans who have authority over you as the powers that be which is against romans 13:1 and is witchcraft.

>>649190

are you catholic?

>>649190

>Swords are tools, they can be used for a variety of things, such as chopping thin brances of wood for fires, doing acts 10:10-16, and wood carving for shelter purposes amongst many others.

They could be used for those but very rarely were, especially when you have cheaper and more effective tools like axes and bows for those jobs. By the 1st century swords were almost exclusively used for fighting. They may have been used to kill prey that was already wounded by an arrow, but if that's what Jesus was talking about he would have told the disciples to buy bows too.

>Not just for killing humans who have authority over you as the powers that be which is against romans 13:1 and is witchcraft.

Herein lies the problem with your interpretation. You assume that self defense and rising up and overthrowing the government are the same thing. As I said here >>649137 Matthew 5:38 is talking specifically about a part of the Mosaic Law concerning personal grievances and the victim's right to avenge himself. Jesus is saying not to seek personal revenge. And Romans 13:1 is telling people to obey the government ruling over them, as long as their commands don't conflict with Christian doctrine, and not rebel like the Jews were always trying to do. Neither of these things are the same as defending yourself and the people around you. The Bible does not teach that self defense is wrong, the Church Fathers do not teach that it is wrong(St. Augustine wrote extensively about just warfare) and the majority of early Christians did interpret it that way. Look at how many of them were soldiers in the Roman army. Cornelius, George, Mercurius etc.

>>649198

You don't understand authority at all.

<You assume that self defense and rising up and overthrowing the government are the same thing.

No I don't. There's a difference between killing a wolf or beast that attacks you and avenging yourself in defense of the government attacking you.

>And Romans 13:1 is telling people to obey the government ruling over them,

<as long as their commands don't conflict with Christian doctrine,

It does not say "as long as their commands don't conflict" It says

>LET every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

>Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Now who you serve is who you worship because they are synoynms in matthew 4:8-10 along with who you worship is by extension who you glorify in 1 corinthians 1:31 as you can not serve two masters matthew 6:24. In romans 7:25 it is said

>I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Our flesh, the one in the kingdoms of the world which Satan owns in matthew 4:8-10, serves sin. But in our spirit and mind we serve God john 4:24 as they that worship God must worship Him in spirit and in truth. As we are seeking the kingdom of God which is not of this world john 18:36 we are not to fight against this world in the physical sense but to submit to the powers that be such as Satan, such as when satan had to ask God to tempt job in job 1, as all power is of God in romans 13:1. Now because of this Jesus Himself humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. philipians 2:8. Even though as God He could have just slaughtered everyone with more then twelve legions of angels matthew 26:53. That's why Jesus commandeds us in matthew 23:1-3

>THEN spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

>Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

>All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

By obeying authority because Jesus or God commanded it, it is in faith and john 19:11 applies

>Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

<but anon, the authorities ordered me to do something evil such as killing 2 samuel 13:28-29

>Now Absalom had commanded his servants, saying, Mark ye now when Amnon's heart is merry with wine, and when I say unto you, Smite Amnon; then kill him, fear not: have not I commanded you? be courageous, and be valiant.

>And the servants of Absalom did unto Amnon as Absalom had commanded. Then all the king's sons arose, and every man gat him up upon his mule, and fled.

>And it came to pass, while they were in the way, that tidings came to David, saying, Absalom hath slain all the king's sons, and there is not one of them left.

Absalom was given the glory for sinning, and not his servants in verse 30. But there is a fine line between obeying the powers that be to please God, and the authorities that are ordering you to do something directly against God such as worshipping idols that you or they have their conscience defiled as idols in daniel 1 and 1 corinthians 8. Or calling a man on earth your father, for one is your Father, which is in heaven. So preety much things that directly threaten your relationship with God Himself as to defile your conscience. Why is this important? Because you mentioned

>Look at how many of them were soldiers in the Roman army. Cornelius, George, Mercurius etc.

They were acting in faith of submission to the higher powers in accordance with romans 13:1. But the crusaders, or atleast the leaders, were not acting in faith because they are to submit to evil higher powers such as Satan that are of God until Jesus recieves the kingdoms of the world in revelation 11:15, BUT ONLY are they to be submitting to that evil in faith, as anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23. If you are submitting to that evil for personal gain, then it is sin.

>>649191

No.

>>649213

Holy wordsalad batman

That's a lot of effort to convince someone to do nothing. Not one part of that word salad has anything to do with The Lord commanding you to accept slavery, murder, or worse.

What's going on big guy?

>>649181

>Matthew 16:24-26

>Bruh, you eat to live? That's saving your life, enjoy hell

How can someone who has the bible memorized like a muslim worshiping the Koran simultaneously be so shit at interpreting it? That passage is obviously about compromising on God's law to save your hide in cowardice, not saving your life in general, and it's an exercise in Talmudic reasoning to say that those other passages condemn self defense. If anything, the final passage is totally contrary to your position, guess who organised the armies of the Crusades? That's right, the secular powers whom you yourself said we are prohibitted from EVER resisting (as if that's what the passage is saying lol, but shit interpretation strikes again).

>>649213

"The leaders were bad Christians because they didn't submit to Satan, who is of God". Breathtaking Talmudic lawgic. Truly the word is dead if you have not the spirit.

Can we just admit we're being trolled by a mudslime who wants us to roll over and die, and not an actual Christian?

>>649240

I'm not convincing you to do anything 1 corinthians 3:1-7, it is God that giveth the increase. Beleive what God says in His word the Bible.

>>649241

<How can someone who has the bible memorized like a muslim worshiping the Koran simultaneously be so shit at interpreting it?

>taking God at his word literally since His speech is: Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil mathew 5:37, is shit interpretation

Why do you call what God says literally in the Bible, shit? Not a arguement.

<That passage is obviously about compromising on God's law to save your hide in cowardice, not saving your life in general

It doesn't say "save your hide in cowardice" it says

>For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

<exercise in Talmudic reasoning to say that those other passages condemn self defense.

I don't say they condem self defense against those who are not higher powers such as chickens and beasts or even other humans/beasts. But rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft 1 samuel 15:22-24 against the higher powers romans 13:1 who are ordained of God.

<guess who organised the armies of the Crusades? That's right, the secular powers whom you yourself said we are prohibitted from EVER resisting

That's why I mentioned at the end of >>649213 since you didn't bother to read it or look up the scripture

>But the crusaders, or atleast the leaders,

So the crusaders' leaders weren't glorfying Christ by their actions. And anyone in their armies that was not acting in faith to follow romans 13:1 would also be worshipping/serving/gloryfying satan instead of Christ since you can only serve one master matthew 6:24 and anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23.

<"Jesus was a bad Christian because didn't submit to Satan, who is of God".

Think about that for a moment, we as the bride of Christ in 1 corinthians 12 are taking on the name of Jesus in marriage. Jesus Himself in matthew 23 said to submit to evil pharisees/wordly powers and Jesus Himself submitted to the higher powers, even to the death of the cross. That's why in 1 corinthians 15:31 paul mentions "I die daily". Which is in reference to the taking up of the cross daily in luke 9:23. Refute my arguement with what God says in the Bible if you disagree. Don't use the (((babylonian talmud))).

>>649247

I am not a mudslime or a muslim. I am simply a Christian. And I'm not trolling/jesting/joking you against ephesians 5:4. I am completely dead serious and literal for my yea is yea and my nay is nay matthew 5:37. The apostles didn't take Christ at His word when He said mark 9:31-32

>For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

>But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

But Jesus quite literally died and rose the third day.

>>648628

Yes. including the 4th

>>648628

The ones against the muslims: Yes

The ones against other Christians: No

>>649213

>There's a difference between killing a wolf or beast that attacks you and avenging yourself in defense of the government attacking you.

>avenging yourself in defense

You are deliberately trying to conflate these two things. Defending yourself from people that trying to hurt you and those around is not the same thing as attacking a person or group of people because to take revenge for something they did to you.

>It does not say "as long as their commands don't conflict"

Yes, but it's evident that's what it meant because Jesus and the disciples frequently disobeyed the powers over them for the sake of spreading the Gospel and working miracles, or was Jesus not being a good Christian?

>they are to submit to evil higher powers such as Satan that are of God

Now I'm convinced you're trolling. Filtered.

On the off chance that you're not trolling, please find a preacher or a priest(that isn't something stupid like a Quaker or a Unitarian) and ask him to help you understand the Bible better because your interpretation is deeply, deeply flawed. Not because you take things literally, but because you completely miss what's actually being said. Seriously find help before you pluck out your eye and cut off your hand because of Matthew 5:29-30.

>>649327

>>649324

>Vanillafags

>>649251

The rest of us aren't quite so lucky.

If you want to get your head chopped off by Saracens, go right the winnie the pooh ahead. We'll count down 72 to see if you're that lucky.

Otherwise, the very foundations of civilization need to be protected.

>>650189

>>650189

>>650189

What reference is that chibi? Looks cool asf

>>650855

The Kataeb Party and the Lebanese Forces allied themselves with Israel during the Lebanese Civil War. The Lebanese government before the war was controlled by the Maronites, who are Catholic. Eventually Palestinians started coming to Lebanon in waves and the Syrians were getting involved to, so a war broke out between government forces lead by Michel Aoun, Maronite radicals Kataeb/LF, a Shi'ite/leftist alliance (supported by Syria, for a while), and the Palestinians. There's more to it, but it was overall a giant mess, so it would be impossible to explain in 1-2 paragraphs.

The Syrian Social Nationalist Party (or SSNP) was obviously on the pro-Syrian side. The majority of it's members are Greek Orthodox.

>>648628

It was nice to stop the goat rapers, but it ended up being the first cases of "Die for Israel, goyim!"

>"OY VEY, THE MUDSLIMES TOOK OUR LAND AND ARE MASSACRING OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF MUHAMMAD!"

>Goyim "WE MUST TAKE JERUSALEM! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT!".meme

>Goyim crusaders DEUS VULT Mudslimes and other Goat rapers.

>"Good goyim, give us our land back!"

>Good Goyim gives land back, only for Jews to continue to screw them over and deny Christ again and again for centuries.

>>648656

>Implying the Armenian massacre happened.

Look at how Armenians are like now (especially the voice of Satan, Anita Sarkeesian) and tell me they were all murdered. If they were all murdered, then why did they spread and started to promote degeneracy?

>>650900

>Implying that if more than 5 people die in any given area at the same time it is fake.

<t.brainlet

>>650903

>Defending Armenian lies, slander, and degeneracy when they have a history of being evil.

Faggot.

>>650900

> Crusades were secretly a Jewish conspiracy

> Turks dindu nothing

Nice try Mustafa

>>650189

by far the most retarded post in the entire thread

>>650189

>I'd rather have the Muslims have control of the land vs the (((Zionists)))

Tbh, this isn't as bad as it seems.

>>650900

Crusaders literally slaughtered Jews what are you talking about

>>648628

yes

deus vult