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>>647075

Im sure (((uncle sam))) will find a way to get you to shoot the radical muslims and die in a desert.

But if strength and willpower are what you want you are better off staying in your home country, building up your temple through the liftwaffe, and joining a martial arts program. We don't need more good men dying for the banks.

I hope you reconsider.

>>647090

If you think about it, you basically are joining a martial arts program with the army…its just WAY more intense, you lose some of your rights, and it has a chance of you dying.

Personally, I did Taekwondo and it takes alot of mental discipline to move your legs in the correct way. Also sparring, though it is more controlled than a military regiment, it still a great way to burn energy and work your brain mahscles.

Does your county have a local militia or gun club?

>>647091

>its just WAY more intense

Yea thats the thing man, I think I need something that intense. I would plan all the training myself, but its like locking up liquor and giving the keys to an alcoholic.

I do a lot of physical exercise at my job so I don't think pure fitness will sort me out. I do roofing and have to haul around 100 pound propane tanks and 60 pound rolls of roofing membrane for half of the day.

When I get home I just sit around being a worthless sack of shit, I can barely be winnie the poohed to go and get grocerys. I work hard at my job because Im already there but when I have freedom I use it in the most worthless manner possible. Like browsing 4chan and youtube for HOURS.

>>647091

>local militia

No I like in cuckada so no militia. Gun clubs probably but it would just be normies who go to firing range and drink some beers after. Not people looking to go beyond mediocrity.

>>647093

Try action shooting/two gun if you have it

My husband has been in the army for two years and it has really helped our family financially and given us a lot of opportunities. We've been able to travel places we normally would never be able to go. Luckily, hes never been deployed. I know he struggles withh the idea of killing someone and when it would be wrong, when it would be right. Most soldiers fight because they're way of life, family, or land is threatened and because of the opportunities it gives them and their families. I think these are all noble reasons to fight, regardless of what games the elite are playing with the lives of young men. I think if you're to join the military and end up in battle God knows what is in your heart during the battle and when you kill

No Christian should join the army. Basically under just war, soldiers acting in a war situation are acting in self defence and therefore the killing is not murder. However to join an army voluntarily means you are putting yourself in that position. Like going into a ghetto, shouting "tigger" then waiting for someone to give you hastle to shoot them.

If you are conscripted, you should try avoid participating (either by objector or by joining the medical core), but if you cant then your actions can be justified. Willing signing up to a war you know is completely evil is not self defense

>>647068

Are you willing to die for Caesar or for Christ?

Also this:

>>647070

>>647068

>>647075

From what I can gather.

>You want to learn how to fight, to be stronger in both body and spirit, to defend and to be able to defend others in the times of peril with your life if needed be.

>You do not want to sign up for soldiery, to kill someone else on the order of somebody.

Plenty of other ways to get what you want without killing for the (((masons))).

>>647068

>What if I'm ordered to fight in some random country and I know my leaders are doing it for wicked reasons?

Yes, OP. What if. You prepared to go to prison for refusing an officer's lawful order all so you can have a paycheque each week and learn to be tough?

There are better ways.

Also this >>647070

>>647090

>go into the military, remove all electronics from myself, remove internet.

Your nco is going to be pissed off when he finds out you have nothing he can contact you with. Also if you don't have any willpower or mental fortitude in civilian life you will not get it in the military.

>>647075

Go through all the training, plant cellphone tower spoofers in the walls of the facilities (and pineapples, etc.), wire it all up, and then fake your death.

>>647809

The whole point of that quote is that Jesus would be taking power from Satan and thereby worshiping/serving him. You forget that, in the flesh that is, we already serve lucifer's kingdom of heaven, which is sin romans 7:25

>I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does this justify continueing in sin? No romans 6:1-3, but your flesh will still die because it is the spirit that quickenith the flesh profiteth nothing john 6:63. But do realise that since you aren't taking power upon yourself from Satan, you are simply following orders of a higher power, then romans 13:1-7 applies.

>LET every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

>Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

>For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

>For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

>Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

>For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

>Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

So you COULD, in the faith, serve in an army, in the flesh, as long as in your mind you remember you are serving God in spirit and truth john 4:24.

<but anon you have a choice to join some armies

And those armies you could better use your time to edify christians by not joining them, willingly or possibly joining them to edify christians in those armies, but i digress. But if the powers that be pass a decree to join an army, you so do.

<but anon these armies have us killing people

First off who you serve is who you worship/glorify because of matthew 4:8-10 and 1 corinthians 1:31. Second since, in the flesh, you are obeying not because of some man, but because God said romans 13:1-7, you are glorifying God in the spirit and in truth. So in the flesh the person/power higher then you gets the glory/sin for the murder.

That's why 2 samuel 13:28-30 is said

>Now Absalom had commanded his servants, saying, Mark ye now when Amnon's heart is merry with wine, and when I say unto you, Smite Amnon; then kill him, fear not: have not I commanded you? be courageous, and be valiant.

>And the servants of Absalom did unto Amnon as Absalom had commanded. Then all the king's sons arose, and every man gat him up upon his mule, and fled.

>And it came to pass, while they were in the way, that tidings came to David, saying, Absalom hath slain all the king's sons, and there is not one of them left.

Why did it say absalom killed the king's sons? Why not say absalom's servants did it? Because absalom got the glory, for sinning. That's why Jesus says in john 19:10-11

>Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

>Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

<but anon, all power is of God, God can't sin

Indeed, that is why Satan seeks to worship/serve/glorify himself instead of God. That's why revelation will happen. That's why Jesus didn't take authority from Satan in matthew 4:8-10 as Jesus wouldn't be serving/worshiping/glorifying God anymore

<but anon, if with the flesh we serve the law of sin, wouldn't Jesus also be under that

No, Jesus was sinless in both flesh and Spirit being the one exception. Therefore He could serve/worship/glorify God in both flesh and Spirit/spirit, and thusly He wouldn't take authority from Satan, but will take it directly from God in revelation 11:15 which hasn't happened yet. This is yet another reason why hebrews 9:9

>Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

goes on about how the leviticul priesthood could not make you perfect as pertaining to the conscience. Hence Jesus is here so we can hebrews 9:13-14

>For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

>How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

So TLDR 1 corinthians 10:31

>Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Watch Hacksaw Ridge

First Gentile Christian was Cornelius. Roman centurion. And he was nowhere near the need of resigning. Joining and serving in army is ok.

Though Roman Empire was more or less just in thier war. Western countries? Not so much

>>655308

Cornelius was one man who converted while in the army (an army which forbade soldiers from leaving under normal circumstances), and we don't even know what he did in later life.

From a moral point of view, it is not ok to join any army knowing what you'll be doing in the army, and knowing that God detests doing it.

>>655312

> it is not ok to join any army

Why? Most countries don't meddle that much in other countries' affairs.

>>647481

>>647523

Don't listen to these covert Jehovah Witnesses.

>>647476

>>655289

Solid advice.

>>655333 (full house)

If the country is in NATO or opposed to NATO, than you are screwed if and when WW3 breaks out. (((The jooish state))) will drag everyone into that whore's war, one way or another.

>>647068

>Luke 3:14

>Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” “Do not take money by force or false accusation, he said. “- Be content with your wages.”

Why DID he tell Roman Soldiers, who were blatant murders, to be "content with their wages"? I think that he's a bit out of focus here. I mean, if it was a sinful thing to do, he'd be the first to mention it?

>>655337

Small countries in the way often get dragged into it as well. Most Asians do not even want to bother and Japan and South Korea got the short stick of it, obviously. So in WW3 scenario, it is best to go innawoods when it breaks out, or go to small countries like Bhutan, Thailand, or other places in South East Asia or South America where most people do not know of and do not care about.

OP, you won't find the life you are looking for in the Army. I enlisted for similar reasons and I have improved my character. However, changing yourself is always internal. There are plenty of wicked people in any line of work as proof. You can train yourself to have higher self discipline anywhere you are in life. If you do join the Army though, I guess you could trick yourself into thinking it's some warrior monastic lifestyle or something. Also, SAVE YOUR MONEY.

The biggest problem you'll have is having no expenses. The Army pays for about everything and even though it isn't much, you will have a mostly disposable income and be surrounded by people incouraging you to waste it on frivolous and hedonistic things. This isn't just advice for if you enlist. If you want to become less materialistic and build self-discipline, minimalism and self-reliance are the best goals. Whatever you choose, do it for a Godly reason OP.