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>>646807

No, rather unlike most, I actually gave my religious preoccupations due consideration. Anyone who does this will find the Orthodox Church.

Jealous Catholics, probably.

>>646815

>That pic

Oh Snap!

>>646803

This is one of the arguments i've come across

The others are le orthoprot and my favorite "muh Kirill is the pope of Orthodoxy" (which he's somehow a KGB agend thus making the whole Orthodoxy a KGB scam)

I usually don't waste my time to debate when one of these 3 idiotic statements makes an appear

>>646808

The arrogance

>>646836

What is wrong with claiming you have the truth when you believe you do?

Do you not believe your faith is true?

"Orthodox" has a works gospel

Exactly how is being Orthodox LARPing? I can see it with paganism because it's a """"religion"""" devoid of traditions, history and adherents but the Orthodox Church is very much alive.

>>646866

Can you qualify your statement?

>>646867

Because some think that most become Orthodox just because we are bit more conservative, thus attracting more people with alt-right and /pol/ that view religion as an ideology and cultural phenomenon that holds traditional values, rather than living religion of Christ. I mean, to be fair, there are people that convert to similar reasons, but we are not an exception and there are people that convert to other denomination for similar reasons.

>>646836

yes, I struggle with evil as we all do but my poor choice of words does not mean what I said is untrue.

>>646803

Baps and Cats just jelly.

>>646850

>>646895

>anybody who reads up Church history will become a schismatic

I don't believe your faith is true.

Have the gates of hell prevailed against the Orthodox church though they've railed against it many times? No, Orthodoxy has survived continual persecution. The Soviet Bloc targeted the eastern church.. The Coptic churches have been persecuted throughout their entire history by violent pagans and yet they still stand. Has the Eastern church fallen to the seductions of the modern age and become corrupt? No, the Patriarchs have only maintained doctrines, not presuming to alter them dramatically as The Catholics and protestants alike have done. This history speaks for itself.

>>646918

>>646917

>Read on the great schism

Oh I have read on the schism enough to know you prefer Turk dick than to stick to your own word given at Florence

>>646918

>ethnodox

>tumblr reaction image

Paint me blue and call me papa smurf, it's like clockwork.

>>646922

Great job at doing exactly what I asked you not to do, focusing on political and not theological issues.

I'm not throwing any pearls to you piggie anymore.

>>646929

>>646930

You may hate us, but we love you. God bless you.

>>646931

What use is the love of the damned? Repent and convert, the day of the Lord is at hand.

>>646934

>look at how calm I am, I am obviously the one with the correct argument

Smoke and mirrors which hide your long-dead integrity

>>646917

that pic made me laugh harder than it should have

>>646803

Despite their own denominations having their own ethnic and regional preferences (Italian, Irish and Latino for the Catholics; Northern Europeans for the Protestants) , the "OrthoLARP" meme is essentially a spinoff of the "ethnic club" meme; itself spun from the fact that Orthdoxy has heavy roots in Greece and Eastern Europe.

In other words, other denominations trying to scare people off from Orthodoxy by trying to spin the false narrative of "you must be of Greek or Eastern European descent, or else you're just a LARPer."

Behold: Exhibit A -

>>646918

>the Ethnodox Church

>>646942

Your vulgarity and bile is not convincing me very much of you walking close to Christ.

>>646960

We're catholics too, fren.

>>646957

>Your anger won't benefit you, friend.

As long as it shakes you from your torpor, I can live with that

>>646958

>Your vulgarity and bile is not convincing me very much of you walking close to Christ.

closer than you, mohammedos economides

Jokes aside, I can't stay calm when somebody like >>646917 tries to brush the Council of Florence under the rug so blatantly

>>646963

Obviously Catholics commonly refers to Roman Catholics, whereas the true Church is always explicitly called Orthodox Catholics.

>>646964

The point of orthodoxy is not political.

Funny how your people claim orthodox are larping pollacks but in reality the Vatican would stand even without Christ. It is merely political.

You're much closer to political islam than us, amigo.

>>646966

I know I'm being pedantic, but small differences in language can and will develop overtime to vastly different lines of thought.

This is the very foundation of Church dogma and it is extremely important.

>>646964

Why do you put so much emphasis on Florence? Does it make you upset that we aren't obliged to blindly follow the orders of our "popes", but seek consensus for decision making like the early church?

>>646969

Your pedantism is unnecessary. I've heard Orthodox clergy and monks refers to Roman Catholics as just Catholics more often than not.

>>646972

Disobedience to one's leaders is a flaw, don't try to justify it. You could have ended the schism centuries ago but didn't, merely out of pride, and here you are, a house divided unto yourselves. Your collapse is inevitable, and I hope you'll make the right choice when the time comes.

>>646972

>Hey Catholics! If the Pope is Infallible, then why don't we follow him? Checkmate!

>>646977

The thing is, our house rises and falls as the Spirit sees fit, your has fallen and has been gazing at its navel for so long it has forgotten what it means to be united with a common purpose. If the "ecumenical" patriarch ever regains any sliver of credibility and authority, I'll eat my hat.

This board isn't Christian.

>>646978

As one studied in history and theology as yourself, perhaps you could help us Orthodox find in the Scripture or early church Tradition where it obliges a Christian to follow his bishop into schism or heresy? We've been looking for centuries, please help.

>>646985

Of course now you claim it's about theology, when we all know it's because the t*rks were knocking on your metaphorical backdoor and couldn't risk being conquered and your leadership losing their lives, because a mustard seed eclipsed their collective faith. Or do you mean to tell me you sent heretics whom you were hoping would get killed or ignored?

>>646987

>the Church shouldn't have one leader to mirror her heavenly leader, as per Peter's mandate

Talk about heresy

>>646989

"We" didn't send anyone, friend. That's why "we" rejected the decision they had no right to make in the first place.

>>646992

Our leader is Jesus Christ.

>>646995

>"We" didn't send anyone, friend

Ok, whatever, stay toasty in hell I guess

>>646964

>Council of Florence

>Schism is about to be "healed" via Orthodox capitulation to Rome.

>Falls flat due to Fall of Constantinople happening shortly after.

Why would God literally punish us for trying to reunite with you if you were the True Church?

>>646989

Indeed, the leadership did compromise, and we were punished for it:

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Council_of_Florence

>Mark, Metropolitan of Ephesus – He was by all accounts the most outspoken defender of Orthodoxy, he handled the discussions on the hard topics of Purgatory, the addition of the Filioque and their doctrinal errors. He was silenced in later debates by his own Emperor after harsh debates with John, the Dominican Provincial, in which it was obvious that the Latin position was faltering. He was by all accounts the only delegate present for the signing of the end documents who refused to do so.

This, in spite of it being against the will and faith of the general populace:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Florence

>"Upon their return, the Eastern bishops found their agreement with the West broadly rejected by the monks, the populace and by civil authorities"

By your logic, our compromise and surrender to the Catholic church should have brought us prosperity and blessing. Instead, it brought about our own version of a Babylonian exile.

>>647001

>our compromise and surrender to the Catholic church should have brought us prosperity and blessing

It would have also brought you tests you were supposed to pass, which it did, and you failed them miserably because you failed to stick to your word. You reaped the fruits of your insincerity.

>>647003

The general populace didn't have a "word" to stick to. It was overridden by the faithless secular emperors.

>>647009

You and your friend have been going at this long enough that you should have realized nobody believes you but yourselves.

>>647003

>You reaped the fruits of your insincerity.

Gallicanism was born as a result of this as well, setting the stage for the Reformation, Absolutist politics, and the eventual china syndrome meltdown of modernity that we live in. Are you going to try to lay all of this at the Eastern Church's feet too? Perhaps you should have been a bit more critical of the infallibility of an infallible declaration of infallibility. The Roman Catholics were playing fast and loose with the Council of Florence and they knew it, trying to prey on fears of Turkic aggression and bait the emperor into claiming authority over the Eastern Church and forcing the reforms to secure an alliance. France did to the Roman Pontiff exactly what he was trying to get the Byzantine emperor to do to the Eastern Church. How is this lost on you?

>>647009

>married lesbian clergy is totally the same as a group of laymen with a banner

O i am laffin

>>647032

<hur hur hur stoopid baptists let lesbians in their clergy

<what? No our gay preists are totally BASED bro

[Laughs in Church Slavonic]

>>647038

You're right, it all probably just another one of the baptist church's many many pranks.

>>647042

What is with people coming out? Why is it such a big deal to them?

>>647042

A future baptist convert, no doubt.

>>647046

>this much denial

Even though he is still ordained in the Catholic church. Cry as hard as you want, ill still be laughing in Church Slavonic

https://www.newwaysministry.org/2018/04/24/one-gay-priests-ups-downs-coming-closet/

>>647047

>However, the later conditional ask that Father Greiten not be public with his sexuality is damaging and perpetuates the harm to those who are living in the closet.

Can you imagine the bigotry? This wouldn't happen at the Slavonic Baptist Church *wink*

>>646904

>communists were more successful at proselytizing their religion in a century than orthodox did in a millennium

really makes me think

>pic

I would have nothing against it if you also didn't constantly complain about le ebil Catholics trying to convert everyone with coersion.

>>647048

>catholic church tells him to just stay in the closet

>not defrocking him

Really aggrevates my asparagus

>>646803

It's because the other denoms feel threatened by Orthodoxy tbh.

>>646922

Mean spirit aside, this is actually kinda true.

>>646803

Muh early church writings is why

>>646916

>5 bishops are in union

>1 isn't anymore

>somehow the other 4 are schismatics

>Read on the great schism

Read on Monothelitism and the Acacian Schism. Nothing new under the sun

>>646917

>5 bishops are in union

>1 isn't anymore

>somehow the other 4 are schismatics

>Read on the great schism

Read on Monothelitism and the Acacian Schism. Nothing new under the sun

>>647001

>Indeed, the leadership did compromise, and we were punished for it

St Kosmas the Aitolian had a very different approach saying that God protected the faith this way. Under the Turks we got to keep our faith away from papism, reformations, enlightment, modernization etc. This way Christianity was preserved as it was in the ancient times and now it's having a comeback to the hearts of those who are still Christians in the west and are disappointed by their crypto-atheist denominations (hence the butthurt).

Remember that God's plan is long term

>>647135

>God Creates the world and humans winnie the pooh it up

>Waits 5000 years before sending Jesus to save us ad still isn't done.

God doesn't work on your time table buddy. papists seem to think that genocide of native people and coming with a huge army at your back counts as evangelism

>>647135

God doesn't take a pause from anything idiot

WTF are westerners even Christians?

>>647015

I assume you can quote the relevant documents or meta-analysis to corroborate your claims

>>646904

>Implying Russiadox/Grecodox/etc. want a bunch of normies invading their ethnic social clubs

>>646966

>>646963

>And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God

- St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture XVIII

>The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house.

- St. Augustine, 'Against the Fundamental Epistle of Manichaeus' Chapt.4

>>646960

>haha look at the pope not being a racist and being loving to all people what an embarrassment xd

Typical /pol/thodox LARPer.

>>646803

It's the reverse, actually. The problem is not becoming Orthodox. The problem is people who use the smallness (is that a word?) of the Orthodox church to LARP. They LARP as Orthodox because they figure not enough people know about it, so they use it thinking nobody can call them out on their bullsh*t.

Does that make sense?

>>647387

What incentive does a person have to LARP, of all things, as an Orthodox? A Protestant hiding his attack on the Catholic Church, falsely exaggerating Orthodoxy's popularity whilst also concealing the means the Protestants are willing to stoop to?

>>647391

He is kind of right in that (parituclarly American) prots will come to the OC and find that they now have "access" to both ancient and original Christianity, AND get to keep their anti-papist shit too.

The other thing is that much of the Orthodoxy in the West derives from the nobles and aristocrats of Russia who carried it with them to Paris and London and Berlin, and which was already deeply hostile to the West to begin with, so it then began to develop this internalising self-hatred of westerners and the Latin Church rather than recognise the primacy of honour that they often fall back to when they are cornered about rejecting Petrine Supremacy. As a matter of fact the Orthodox Church at large in the USA is even referred to as the Church "Outside of Russia".

Plus it also seems to have this deeply neo-Palamite bent, almost to the exclusion of a lot of other shared patristic figures of both East and West. Russian orthodoxy also doesn't have the same kind of intellectual history that the Greek Church proper has, since a lot of native figures didn't bother to learn Greek and only picked up the odd trend that came their way (Palamism being one of them), and when they did and tried to conform their liturgy to the Byzantine tradition, you got the Raskol which almost tore the Church apart.

In a way it reminds me of the intellectual parochialism of the post VII Church, which almost exclusively refers to the documents of the Council rather than branching out to the past 2,000 years of actual tradition for citations. In modern day bible commentary you are more likely to find references to Lumen Gentium or Nostra Aetate or Sacrosanctum Concilium than most of the Fathers.

>>646803

BETTER TURK

THAN POPE

Because 99% of Orthodox you meet online will be American teenagers. This isnt even a meme, join any orthodox discord and ask where theyre all from. There will be lile one serb or something everyone will suck off and everyone else is american clinging to anything that looks cultural

Always do the opposite of what the american does

>>646803

This is a big fat mess, I appreciate Orthodoxy, but your bait posting is a miserable excuse for bait.

The advantage of Orthodoxy is that it keeps the emphasis more on the action of faith, they keep it away from dirty secular philosophy by emphasizing Christlike behaviour and de-emphasizing philosophical and creed-like theological formulations.

polite sage

>>647374

>wanting to preserve your race makes you a "racist"

>>647605

Saved/10

>>647724

>de-emphasizing philosophical and creed-like theological formulations.

>literally schismed over a slightly different creed

>>647911

We wanted to go back to the old days but you insisted on your papal primacy and infallibility. Since these doctrines were not part of the original Church it is you who schismd.

>>647921

>I've never read Acts

>>647923

I have, what do you mean?

>>647543

That may be true but in my experience, this is true for all Christian Discords. The majority of Christians in these Discords are not older than 20.

>>647921

> these doctrines were not part of the original Church

t.never read the Church Fathers

>>647928

Pay attention to Peter's role in Acts 15