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I would like to note that actual celibacy(IE:Not marrying) is most likely not for you. For some reason people that come here assume that their years of masturbation means that they're destined to try and become 100% celibate and never have a lewd thought again.

Which has happened with a few saints, but, lets be honest with ourselves.

>I follow girls on instagram and snapchat who post mildly lewd snaps and that has caused me some issues

You know what to do, right?

>>642041

Im confused, are you still a muslim? I forgive you in advance id English is your 2nd language but in regards to your problem, I would cut off the Internet entirely. Than in you free time just study the Bible or some sort of hobby you enjoy.

The important thing it to get rid of the internet not just avoid it, legit get rid of it

>>642042

>You know what to do, right?

I'm going to shut most social media off before Ramadan and never go back.

>>642043

Sorry, I'm just really bad at typing. I'm converted from nothing to Islam. And I would like to cut the internet off, but it's a bit difficult to do so with the way school is nowadays. I've thought about getting rid of my computer or limiting it and getting a simpler phone to make these things easier but I keep holding off.

We call this "The Book" and you should read it.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c3fb6365719bac9686e5353227a97a721d8b8fc5650d32e0343d26fe51c54723.pdf

Also there is a designated thread for this issue.

>>405648

polite sage.

>>642044

So you are a muslim? Oh well obligitory REEEEEE GET OFF OUR BOARD SARACEN, DEUS VULT

>i still have school work

That would definitely complicate things.

Maybe only use it for schoolwork and if you find yourself straying to the social medias again cry out to God that he give you the strength to avoid it.

Go out for a run, do pushups, get a gym membership, or the tried and true cold shower.

>>642050

Oh also, after you cry out to God, read Pslams 51. It's prayer I go to when I feel I am going to bate and sin. I pray to God that he watches over you in your struggles and gives you the strength to overcome them.

>>642045

Read the book and don't skip any pages OP.

>>642042

Quite honestly I don't find consolation in marriage, at least not as a sexual outlet. So the only way for me to relieve myself sexually is to risk bringing new people into an increasingly confusing and godless age? Least of all do I find this a good reason to try to justify myself as a sexual being.

test

>>642071

Though children may be spawned by the unclean and sinful acts of their parents, the children themselves are God-given.

If you put "sexual outlet" over children, you are massively disordered. What justification does a "sexual being" require? Where is this in the Bible? If you want to be celibate, be celibate. If you want to be sexual, it's only licit in regards to procreation. Anything else will disqualify you from inheriting Heaven.

>>642083

That anon I responded to basically said that we should seek marriage because we likely aren't cut out for celibacy. But speaking personally, and you seem to agree, using entire lives as accessories of one's own lust doesn't seem like any kind of solution. And I certainly never look out into the world and feel the need to subject new people to the spiritual perils I myself am already beset with. So I have no choice and must remain celibate. However I may find a wife anyway since it could be emotionally beneficial I suppose.

>>642092

if it makes you feel better, I don't believe I've ever heard anyone who has ever had children go "aw my 2 year old has the same spiritual afflictions I have, I don't know if this was worth it", even among atheists and other total schlubs

>>642093

No, but most people aren't very considerate of the broad picture. There is a scriptural precedent for celibacy and that is something I find great solace in. Nonetheless I may be able to live with myself in the event I should have children on accident but the idea that I should reproduce in good faith is something I doubt. More importantly though, its something I do not have to worry about in the first place.

>I follow girls on instagram and snapchat who post mildly lewd snaps and that has caused me some issues which have lead to me feeling more serious about fixing my life and coming here to ask you guys about this.

Stop following these girls, and if you can't help yourself, get rid of Snapchat and Instagram entirely. Remember the words of our Lord.

<Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

<But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

<And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

<And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

You have to build good habits and cut out bad ones. Do you spend much time looking at women off the computer? Do you look at women more and longer than necessary? Even if you think that you're doing so innocently, it might lead to less innocent things later. We are counseled not just to avoid sin, but to avoid even the occasion of sin. When you find yourself victim to temptations or erotic thoughts, replace them with prayer. I would pick a short, common prayer like the Our Father or the Hail Mary (I think it's especially fitting to call the Blessed Virgin to mind in the struggle for chastity) so you don't have to think about it. Say the prayer (it can be silently if in public), and repeat it as many times as necessary for the bad thoughts to subside.

Temptations will still come now and then. My own experience when I suffered the same things was that once I stopped having the urge to masturbate in the day time, I would wake up in the middle of the night with temptation. This is much harder to overcome because you're missing your normal reason and inhibitions when you wake up. So if this happens to you, do your best to engage your reason and think of how God hates masturbation and think of its consequences (eternal torment). Use prayer like above until the urges have past. Also remember that if you've started you should never say you've gone too far to stop.

Fasting is good, because food fuels the sensual appetites, but it's not a solution to temptation because you can't always fast, and if you try, you will become malnourished. Use fasting to build discipline over your appetites and to concentrate on prayer.

Also, it was not clear to me from your post whether you are Christian or Muslim, but you should also be going to confession whenever you fail (and even if you haven't regular confession is still a good practice). Not only is this important for forgiveness of your sins, but through the sacraments, we also receive graces that will help us avoid future sin.

>>642041

Avoid temptation and don't play with it. If you follow someone on the internet of which you know posts pictures that arouse you .. you might want to stop following. Generally, the internet is a huge trap for young men, because sex is not just everywhere, it's also easily available.

I, personally, recover from way over a decade of daily masturbation and pornogrpahy consumption.

My confessor told me this: Your sexual drive is exactly that, a drive. When you feel the urge to, try to redirect it to do something useful (for example grab a guitar and play a song etc.). Whenever a very strong urge arises, you need to explore (in a sense of thinking, not by playing with temptation) why that urge comes - because usually urges are a form of ventilation of a certain pressure from within yourself. If you can find out why that pressure is built up and in which situations it unloads so to speak (for example are you sad, or happy, or angry, or anxious .. or all of it together ?), then you can start to work on the situation.

Most importantly, however, is this: You need to accept that the drive is part of you as man. God made you this way - and He made it for a good reason: For you to make children and raise them, once the time comes and you find a wife.

You shouldn't be fighting it like "no, that's a grave sin I cannot do that, I must not do that". Because then you make it a forbidden fruit, so to speak, and we all know how that works out sooner or later.

What you must do is accept that God made you like that, with that sex drive (even tho it is very distorted and probably overpronounced due to pornography and general media attacking good conventions and tricking us), but it is not who you are - it is part of you but it is not you. Because accepting that God made you in a certain way is part of becoming humble, too. Once you can accept that it's a part of you, but doesn't define you - you can handle the urges (and also pictures popping up in your mind) differently.

Don't be like

>NOOOOOO THAT MUST NOT BE I NEED TO WITHSTAND AT ALL COSTS

but rather like

>Oh, really ? Well, I don't need to do that. It is not who I am, although it's a part of me.

and say a prayer, for example to the Holy Virgin or St. Joseph, patriarch of the holy family.

And of course do the obvious: Avoid arousing or straight out sexual pictures, movies, songs, etc. if you can (sometimes that's easier said than done).

>>642653

Addition: That being said, living a celibate life - either as clergyman or as laity - is a supernatural vocation. So if you think that is your way, then discern it in prayer.

>>642655

Are you seriously saying anyone can go and get a wife? /there are whole communities about that not being the case now.

>>642659

Yes. These people are 99% just neglecting themselves, spiritually and physically, and their relationship with God. Because, remember: With Christ, everything is possible. Without Him, nothing is possible.

>>642041

Tell me about that image you posted, anon…

>>642704

What about it?

Btw I really appreciate all of the help, guys. I started working out again and am making greater attempts at cutting unneeded sin out of my life.

>>642041

>I'm a reverted Muslim

Why even bother when you're going to hell anyway?

>>642757

Orthodoxy or Death!!

I mean you're worried about nofap and you follow a prophet who despite having several other wives and sex slaves would want to fondle aisha when she was having her period by wrapping a cloth around her?

the man who bragged that he was given the power of 40 men in sex?

the man who said why are you marrying a old woman marry a young girl so you can "sport" with her and she can "sport" with you?

you follow a literal sex addicted demonic person and you're asking about nofap? the man who allowed muta marriage? you have serious issues friend

if you're up for a voice conversation on skype about your new religion, i'd highly recommend following this channel on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb1DnuFFTiGFiE2-NXethlQ

He's a native arabic speaker. There are loads of things in islam of which you have no idea about. You have been scammed and lied to. Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas. He hosts live shows and you can call in and ask or talk about your religion on Skype.

>>642045

>This book is NOT for explaining to you WHY you shouldn't masturbate, instead HOW

>Entire book is about explaining WHY

>Everything about HOW can be reduced to just don't do it