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I don't understand, why are they killing him? And if Trump gets so upset at the thought of governments killing their own people that he bombs Syria without even investigating whether or not the gas attack was real, why doesn't he at least speak out against this?

>>637967

Because he was ill.

The parents wanted to take the dying child to a Vatican hospital to be possibly saved but at the least cared for.

The British government said no. They demanded that he remain in the UK to be taken off life support and suffocate to death. No painkillers. No treatment. No care.

>>637975

Oh turns out its worse than I thought even

they didn't just suffocate him

they injected him with a substance to make him suffocate

so its not even a simple case of turning off life support but torture and murder.

Please pray for this child, a rosary if you can spare the time.

>>637995

The protestors tried to storm the hospital. The British police stopped them.

>>637997

This is the spirit of antichrist. This is the spirit of Satan.

>>637999

>The protestors tried to storm the hospital. The British police stopped them.

I'm saying next time the (unarmed) police won't be able to stop shit..

>>637997

Socialized healthcare. The government gets to decide whether or not it's 'economically feasible' to keep you alive since it pays for your medical treatment.

>>637999

>>638001

But is the government giving any sort of justification, even a flimsy one, for doing this? They're seriously just sentencing a child to die just because they feel like it? I knew they were pretty far gone, but this is way too out of hand. Behold the fruits of socialism.

What about the parents? What do they do, what are they like? Does the government have it out for them or something?

>>638002

They said it was in the boy's "best interest" to kill him. Thats the actual justification for it. They argued that its better to murder the child in agony than to take him to Rome for care.

The parents fought tooth and nail for the child's life, tried several times to get the verdict overturned, convinced the Holy Father to intervene etc.

the British government did not care one bit.

>>637985

>so its not even a simple case of turning off life support but torture and murder.

So the british government is murdering its citizens. Is this anything knew? What makes this specific person so special? Is this a christian? Why were they in a modern hospital to begin with as anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23. Have they tried having their head annointed in oil james 5:14?

>Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

>And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Or has he drank a little wine 1 timothy 5:23?

>Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

>>637999

<This is the spirit of antichrist. This is the spirit of Satan.

Maybe, maybe not. It could be judgement as this poster >>637959 said if the person wasn't acting in faith going to that hospital to get annointed in oil or drink some wine.

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>No Anglican bishop spoke against this.

How can anyone be a part of this "church"

>>638006

afaik the child was baptised

and the parents, I think, were Christian

the child was taken away from the parents and forced to be in the hospital

they wouldnt let any other treatments be tried

>>637954

What the hell would it cost them to have allowed this child to go to Rome? If they didn't want to do it, at least let someone who does want to help actually help.

These are the times the imprecatory Psalms are meant to be prayed. All of them. Specifically against the judge, the hospital, the police, and anyone who is for killing this child.

>>638008

>the child was taken away from the parents and forced to be in the hospital

This is wrong, and by extension a murder sentence from the british government.

>they wouldnt let any other treatments be tried

The parents or the government?

>>638010

TBH it might be time for the parents to flee that country and take their child before they are persecuted more for being christians. Or atleast it sounds like that they are being persecuted for being christians.

>>638010

Maybe it would set up a precedent that would reduce the government's power to execute people for medical purposes?

I was upset to hear this was happening again, but I am shocked to hear that it takes 30 police officers to aid in the killing of a small child. A friend of mine just became a father himself over there, I would be beyond consolation if such a horrific crime were to happen to his child.

>>638012

>The parents or the government?

The government of course.

>>637997

I personally suspect that Alder Hey is trying to cover up malpractice. The hospital has been in the center of controversy before.

>>638027

I'm not really shocked about this stuff anymore. I believe we are going to start seeing more and more police officers and military personal doing stuff like this. We should start seeing churches getting raided and priest getting arrested for hate speech in the next couple of years. The State is done with Christianity.

God have mercy on him and the family. I truly hope he survives long enough to make it to Italy.

>>637997

>ID

The devil's exposed when brothers?

>>637954

You know what, at this point, I dont even care if the UK falls to the mudslime menace. The UK deserves it after this on top of the usual western (((bullsh*t))) they do

>>638091

>I truly hope he survives long enough to make it to Italy.

me too, this is so sad.

>>637954

It's disgusting to see the government actively work at murder.

I was on board with the Re A (conjoined twins) decision to save one child if two children couldn't be saved, but the state has only a pretended right to withdraw life support because it is cheap. It's like in these cases there is like there is no duty of care.

>>638114

This. I'm coming around to the idea God is punishing the west for its innumerable misdeeds.

Praying for Alfie Evans and his parents.

>>638285

This applies to them all.

Someone needs to do something more than winnie the pooh peaceful protests. Use force.

>>638300

nice w0rd filter bro

>>638300

Do not resist evil by violent force, but something non-passive would be nice.

>>638302

>Do not resist evil by violent force

>What is the moral law where we are commanded to execute murderers

According to their public facebook the child has been granted oxygen and water. The Italians stepped in, granted him citizenship and the head of the Baby Jesus childrens hospital in Rome is already in England.

>>638316

Legitimately, what is moral law? I've been looking around for it, is it this stuff (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a6.htm, http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a1.htm)? Or what? Where is this commanded?

>>638302

If we just don't do anything the klkes who are doing this will win. If we don't fight back every single race except for the jews will be slaves. Mark my words.

>>637954

May God punish perfidious Albion for its sins

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5650289/Alfie-Evans-court-battle-LIVE-Toddler-breathing-unassisted-Alder-Hey.html

>Britain tries to murder the child

>God shows that life and death is His domain by preserving the child and making the child breathe where the anglos tried to suffocate him

>>638342

"God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty."

Eternal Anglo strikes again. Is it just to overthrow such an evil government?

Red pill me on Alfie Evans and why is this different to any other terminally ill child situation, I am sure he isn't the only one at the hospital he's at.

Why won't the British government let the parents be responsible for their child and take him to Italy, or is it the NHS?

I heard he's basically braindead and in a vegetable state, and if they remove the life support, he will basically die. People are calling that murder, but it's not exactly.

>>638300

Not in this century, buddy. Modern Christians just lay down and take it. We don't have the fortitude anymore to fight for anything. Like this dude: >>638302.

"Alfie’s family lawyer, Mr Diamond gave a witness statement from Mr Evans, taken on Tuesday, to the court suggesting his son’s condition is “significantly better” than had been previously believed.

Mr Diamond said the child had been breathing unaided for 19 hours.

He continued: “We do have a human being…”

But the judge interrupted: “I don’t need to be reminded we have a human being. You do not have the moral high ground in this court. It is treacherous terrain.”"

The judge

the judge sentencing the *baby* to death

called the family treacherous and implied that they are immoral for trying to stop the murder of their child

>>638387

>I heard he's basically braindead and in a vegetable state, and if they remove the life support, he will basically die.

Except they removed him from life support and he's surviving.

Also

>removing oxygen

>refusing to feed, give water to, or look after the boy in anyway

>using the police to keep anyone from giving him any help

>keeping him detained when treatment is available elsewhere

It is literally murder. Keeping someone locked up and watching them starve to death is murder

>>638445

The world is turned upside down, death rules over the people

>>638445

But anon! It is a DEMOCRATIC murder! It is good!

>>638448

malachi 2:17

>Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

Wearing the LORD is what happens when the people say good is evil and evil is good.

>>638463

>wearing

Should be

>wearying

>>638405

If it were a sin God can still forgive us, not that the English have the spine to do anything about it, and lack the weaponry to do it.

State-sponsored murder of children? I guess we'll just have to bomb Britain next.

>>638342

>Mr Justice Hayden slammed Italy's extraordinary intervention, labeling it ‘disrespectful the principles of international diplomacy’.

>He also described the boy as ‘a fighter, resolute, courageous and a warrior’ and said options should be explored to find a way for him to return home or to a hospice where his family could be with him as his life ended.

Is Britain a nation or an oversized pedophile ring that gets its kicks by demanding parents stand by and watch their children die by decree

>>638463

And what angers the Lord? I want a passover to come for the rulers of this Egypt.

>>638387

>Why won't the British government let the parents be responsible for their child and take him to Italy, or is it the NHS?

Narcissism probably. They decided to kill him based on their evil guidelines and now that there's pushback on this they're digging in their heels so that they don't compromise their self regard. I mean look at >>638425, the lawyer reminds the judge about how this is a human life they're talking about and he starts sperging out and comparing such speech to treason.

>>638498

lmao

>>638153

>royal baby born same day as Alfie Evans' life-support turned off by British State

rly makes u think

>>637997

Because Health Care is free/tax payer money, a large part of the population believe this 'lost cause' should be finished off to save taxpayer money/hospital space.

The NHS is one of the few Gods left to Britain

>Earlier murder of Charlie Gard

That reminds me of that winnie the pooh Britbong who posted on /r/the_donald gloating about it, basically saying "oh well the government says he couldn't be saved and the government is always right, so he should die." Trying to shoot down everyone who was angry towards the British government for at least not letting him try an alternative therapy in the states.

God…The British are such winnie the pooh massive pieces of shit. It also sucks that the winnie the pooh Armenian in Toronto is getting all the coverage now too so no one can put a light to this.

God save us all. Rapture nao pls.

>>638588

>the word filters

Why?

>>638589

Stop swearing, its useless.

Possible report that Alfie's dad is giving him mouth to mouth. Not sure how much I trust The Sun though.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6127386/alfie-evans-dad-court-italy-rejected-mouth-to-mouth-resuscitation-dad-latest/amp/

>>638589

This is a Christian board, no swearing.

If Alfie and Charlie were mudslimes/"refugees" the government would have given the families money to see treatment somewhere else.

More white genocide.

>>638013

No, if that were the case it'd be easy to avoid by allowing the child to be spirited away "illegally" or whatever. They simply insisted on murdering him.

>>637954

Good lord, this government is truly satanic. May God have mercy on us and may he serve a well deserved reward to those who run this "country".

"The judge slammed some of the language being used in the case, warning “ridiculous emotive nonsense” shouldn’t be used.

He described a court witness statement prepared for Alfie’s dad as “littered with vituperation and bile”, doing him and the toddler’s mum “far more harm than it does them good”, according to The Times"

>wanting kids to not be murdered is "ridiculous emotive nonsense"

>>638724

The judge is a demon or is demon-possessed, one or the other. Then again with all the abortion going on for years, and general moral degeneracy, Satan kind of has a legal right to all the things he's doing in the world.

Lord have mercy because you are merciful, and forgive us not for our sake but for the innocents.

>>638767

I am afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say, my friend.

Sorry, I am not a native english speaker.

>>638745

What a surprise.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-at-center-of-alfie-evans-case-is-a-pro-gay-activist

>>638779

>I have right to get married

>Your kids don't have a right to live though

>>638628

>white genocide

It's more like Christian Genocide, dude. Alfie and Charlie are martyrs of the Faith against the heresy of Americanism and the culture of Death.

Also, don't forget the the judge is an anti-christian LGBT supporter. He is member of the BLAGG (Bar Lesbian and Gay Group).If Alfie was son of two homos he wouldn't be sentenced to death.

http://www.infocatolica.com/?t=noticia&cod=32107

>>638802

>heresy of Americanism

England and Europe aren't part of the US, and such ideas about 'right to die' and the like didn't originate in America.

>>638805

It's just the name. Americanism is the heresy of supporting the separation of the Church and State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(heresy)

The pathetic country of England is already being punished for their sins.

>>638439

Er strafe es!

>>638808

My apologies, thanks for the information.

>>638829

I sincerely hope we don't get and updated version with the date of Alfie's death. This is well made, it should be spread far and wide.

>>638847

>Update with day of Alfie's death

I don't mean to sound defeatist here anon, but it looks to me like we will be praying for his soul sooner rather than later.

>>638768

I'm saying that atheists don't love life enough to preserve or continue it, hence they are the barren fig tree.

>>638829

>UK gov't kills two children that were US and Italian citizens

>the US and EU put aside their differences and carpet bomb the UK

>weapons are bannd so the British can't fight back

>US funds Muslim moderate militias to fight the government

>UK reduced to a rubble, with the remaining British turned into a slave race as divine punishment

>Alder Hey hospital: Our ‘first priority’ is Alfie Evans’ ‘comfort, dignity and privacy’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alder-hey-hospital-our-first-priority-is-alfie-evans-comfort-dignity-and-pr

LET HIM GO TO ITALY

So the death sentence is basically to abandon him to what little care his parents can provide for him and if they were to be removed from the picture to die of thirst and hunger right? At least executions are quick, this lingering murder is so miserly they wouldn't even invest in a bullet.

>>638963

With the way you worded it, it sounds like torture you would get at Gitmo while the parents watch helplessly while being taunted at the same time.

Britons never will be slaves

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/british-police-social-media-posts-about-alfie-are-being-monitored

>>638986

"After all, how would it look if Alfie were allowed to leave England (allowed to leave a free country! Even to write the words feels absurd!) and then found a successful treatment in another country? It would be an abject embarrassment to a government that holds up their socialist healthcare as one of the wonders of the Western world… Sadly, Alfie – and little Charlie Gard before him – is doomed to be the sacrificial lamb at the altars of pride and socialism."

The longer this goes on, the more anger I feel. On top of that they're "monitoring" people about this. I wonder if they know of this thread.

Commenter has it right: "This is what you get when you allow abortion without restraint: a zeitgeist of death that potentially permeates every hospital corner."

>>638986

Good old british police, easier for them to crack down on decent folk venting their outrage online than deal with the street gangs raping children. Commoners after all don't have support from the highest levels of government.

>>638980

It is. Notice how the judge and an unnamed official at the hospital are talking about how they'd permit the parents to take Alfie home if they'd just change their attitude? They want this kid to die horribly and, even better, for the parents to render themselves complicit in his murder. This is what civic satanism looks like. Times like this it's a comforting thought to realize that the Lake of Fire is the midden of New Jerusalem and that the garbage is going to go there.

>>637954

I'm not even a Christian and this is absolutely disgusting. Why does the British government, or some court or whatever, have the authority to tell these parents that they have no right to seek whatever medical treatment they believe is best for their child? I could see revoking government healthcare funding, but a court ruling that the parents have to twiddle their thumbs while their kid dies is absurdly morbid. If there is no chance of the child recovering, why would they remove his life support until he suffocates instead of a more humane method of euthanasia like an injection?

>>638997

Bureaucratic socialist mandates and pride, essentially.

>>638997

>Why does the British government, or some court or whatever, have the authority to tell these parents that they have no right to seek whatever medical treatment they believe is best for their child?

They have the police. Euthanasia isn't even legal in the UK.

>>638991

>>638990

The British police are the worst criminal gang in the country. They know that they cannot actually take people to task for their online postings even under their draconian laws most of the time.

However, they make like they can at every opportunity, because they have a massive public order problem and need to instill fear to fix it.

>>639047

It's the nastiness of modern democratic societies that ridiculous laws get passed and never repealed. They just sorta stop enforcing it. This way, the British gov't will likely investigate people making these statements and prosecute them for something unrelated and technically illegal, like Obama did to the guy he blamed Benghazi on. Of course, this being Britain, they don't even have to do that, as they lack an ex post facto ban.

>>639058

Here (Britain) because of common law the courts can enforce laws which aren't even on the books

so this case of Alfie Evans has set a legal precedent of child murder.

>>639059

>this case of Alfie Evans has set a legal precedent

Is he even dead yet?

>>639062

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/live-updates-toddlers-alfie-evans-12416526

HE LIVES ON.

The longer he lives the more murderous they are revealed to be.

>>639094

http://archive.is/njalX

>>637954

Orwell really was an optimist. Poor little guy. Remember to keep him in your prayers friends.

>>639117

And this doesn't?

of course, california is often compared to sodom and gomorrah.

however, it may very well be the uk where end times will announce themselves

Not sure this is a good idea. What made him do this? What are they threatening the parents with? I highly doubt he woke up thinking the hospital has displayed "dignity and professionalism". I mean these are the people who are trying to kill his baby boy. What the winnie the pooh is going on here? No longer seeking treatment in Italy?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alfie-evans-parents-to-form-a-relationship-with-hospital-ask-supporters-to

>>639185

>>639182

Maybe there's some backroom stuff going on here, standby. Might be trying to get the police, courts and NHS to stand down so he can do what he really wants.

>>639157

Imprisonment for incitement to public disorder and a torturous death probably. Big Brother has been playing 'sympathetic' to him and his wife because it suits them, but if he's going to go out and prove that he isn't some poor unhinged moron who can't see that the doctors violating their hippocratic oath is in the best interests of his son because he's misled by the mob then they'll ruin him to prove they're in control.

If this is true, then I pray that the English Bishops will seek redemption. If not, then they will meet a angry God at the end of their life.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-alfie-evans-chaplain-recalled-from-alder-hey

>>639302

"While at the hospital, the priest appealed to the consciences of the hospital staff, reminding them that God would judge them for their sins against Alfie’s life. Apparently, the staff did not like this."

Hmm… "And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved."

Also, damn that bishop.

http://m.ncregister.com/56645/b Good article about all this

Is this another Terri Schiavo?

>>639310

I am thought it was the government fault, not the doctors.

>>639324

It's fine to break the law if it violates the law of God (like requesting that you murder someone), so they are complicit. It's everyone's fault (who is for the murder of this child).

>>639142

Is it a boogieman if we can see it right in front of us?

>>637969

Wait, they DENIED the parents?! How is that even legal?!

>>639310

>>639302

>>637969

His blood is on all of their hands. They will be judged righteously and justice will be served in the judgment of the almighty God.

>>639324

The NHS doctors decided to kill him, the judge and the police have backed them up.

>>639424

Amen.

>"It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them."

>Deuteronomy 32:35

And all of the hospital staff is ok with this? This baffles me the most. We can almost expect the higher-ups to be satanists by now, but none of the nurses or doctors quit their job because of this situation? Absolutely disgusting. Money and death has become the god of these progressive atheïsts. Now more than ever I see the spiritual war between life and death play out. We all have a duty to die indeed.

>>639462

the same hospital was harvesting children's organs only 20 or so years back

and were keeping the organs

in most cases not even selling them

and then were giving back the children's bodies devoid of organs

the same hospital also frequently has children die there

the same hospital "treated" [read: killed] Charlie Gard, another child

it is not a hospital but seemingly some sort of demented temple of sacrifice to demons

>>639462

Similar, except instead of family members arguing over whether he should live or die, the argument is between the family and the state. The implications of this case, as with Charlie Gard's late last year, are far more damning.

>>639476

>the same hospital "treated" [read: killed] Charlie Gard, another child

Is isn't true, Charlie was murdered by Great Ormond Street Hospital. both are run by the NHS though, whose hands are drenched in children's blood.

interestingly both cases involve children from unmarried couples, or who at least don't share the same name. I know little about the relationship of Gard's parents, but Evan's parents have been referred to as 'partners'.

>>639462

They can be viewed as cattle. "Hurr only doin' what oim told m8".

>>637969

Another government sacrifice for Satan/Moloch.

Anyone who even thinks otherwise is retarded. We live in the satanic era, boys.

We are in living among the hell goers, acting like them and paying taxes to them.

We are halfway to hell already. May God have mercy on the few who hold to the truth.

>>639543

That's pretty rich of the guardian to quote the Psalms while advocating that people just turn over and accept the murder of their children because that's somehow "in their best interest".

>>639543

> I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

He lives and the State look like total heartless jackasses at best

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/alfie-evans-family-offered-top-12441076

>>639479

Oh, I'd thought it was Alder Hey for both of them

still

>>639663

Kurwa indeed

>>639695

The sad thing is

normally it'd be easy to say that thats just a reddit view but it seems to be the majority British view

I'm not kidding, I asked around family what they thought of it and they defended killing the child, in their view its justified by some sort of sick utilitarianism of cost-cutting and pain reduction

>>639705

I had the same discussion with my family about Charlie Gard, and their reaction was pretty much the same.

Viewing people on a utilitarian basis has to be one of the most creepy, satanic things I can imagine.

When I was younger and edgier I used to scoff at those dumb yanks and their fear of Death Panels. Recently I've been eating my words big style.

Molyjew video about this.

It's a case study for the negatives in social healthcare. When a judge and a hospital are part of the same corporation the citizenry suffers. Earlier the parents weren't allowed to take Alfie home because their 'attitude' could negatively affect his health… while the doctors are starving him to death.

>>639423

They're in the UK, they have no rights.

>>639695

See this is one of those lines of thinking that cannot be justified. Why is the education level of the parents is allowed to affect the salient points of the case?

>>639734

>Recommends Palliative care

Better than the British Government.

Okay never mind, that might be a insult by faint praise by now, apologies.

I think the video is reasonable.

>>639695

Got a link to the post? I need to archive it. We got to hold these people responsible when the time comes.

>>639695

>>639777

Never mind. I got it. https://archive.fo/1BJGn

I got a little bonus as well from 2012. https://archive.fo/GQeQn

Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

>Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

>>639781

O Lord, sweep this accursed rainy little island into the dustbin of history.

>>639781

(((a group of medical ethicists)))

>>639784

Paradise Lost?

Psalm 136 seems appropriate for us stuck in this evil nation:

Upon the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept: when we remembered Sion:

On the willows in the midst thereof we hung up our instruments.

For there they that led us into captivity required of us the words of songs. And they that carried us away, said: Sing ye to us a hymn of the songs of Sion.

How shall we sing the song of the Lord in a strange land?

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand be forgotten.

Let my tongue cleave to my jaws, if I do not remember thee: If I make not Jerusalem the beginning of my joy.

Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom, in the day of Jerusalem: Who say: Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

O daughter of Babylon, miserable: blessed shall he be who shall repay thee thy payment which thou hast paid us.

>>639781

>Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

well at least they admit it

I just got a news ping that Alfie has passed. I can't find any article to confirm it but the notification came from sky news.

Rest In Peace little Alfie. Right now the British judiciary is glad a child died, never forget this.

>>639781

>No different from abortion

That's what we've been trying to tell them

>>639844

>>639837

RIP, an unfortunate case to be sure.

I get this impression that the doctors and the judges in this case got it right. Alfie was just too badly brain damaged, probably he was "dead" by neurological standards a long time ago. Not saying that Alder Hay is a shining example of medical skill and care, but this wasn't the same kind of case as the kid who caught cancer and who's parents kidnapped him from hospital and saved his life.

Alfie and his parents didn't deserve this. They could have gone to Rome and have him pass away in peace, in the care of chaplains who would visit him as was the wish of the parents. My mind fails to understand the way so many people support the behavior of the British governement and its ideology of death.

Let us pray for Alfie, his family all of his supporters. But let us also pray for the wicked. Let them realise what they did and repent. I hope these people will one day join us in the love of Christ.

God will punish Britain for this.

They have killed a child.

They starved and suffocated him to death.

>>639861

"People" line you should hang. It is in your best interests

>>639897

Living is a gift from God by whatever means it is had. You must constantly remember, He has ordained the course for each of our lives perfectly, and if we live it's because He said to keep living, if He we die, it's because He said for us to die. Medicine has just been a method that He has apparently used for this.

>>639897

>I hope Porky will persecute you in this life

Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

Oh and:

“The great mistake… [is] the notion that class is naturally hostile to class,” Leo XIII teaches in Rerum Novarum, “and that the wealthy and the working men are intended by nature to live in mutual conflict. So irrational and so false is this view that the direct contrary is the truth. […] Each needs the other: capital cannot do without labor, nor labor without capital. Mutual agreement results in the beauty of good order, while perpetual conflict necessarily produces confusion and savage barbarity.”.

>>639904

I'm not sure, sounds determinist, it is up to all of us to do God's will. I'm sure the courts, although they were pained to make the decision, had regard to the other people who need that hospital bed and the money it will take to preserve their life.

>>639905

My comment about Porky extends from the idea that one can make life hellish by acting contrary to it's laws. The free market is impossible to "fix" and have prosperity.

This means we need charity and not class revolution, and anyone who tries the latter, will be met by the unreserved wrath of nature cheated of her dues.

>>637954

What is the logic supposed to be behind letting the kid die? This is what baffles me. How, not even in a court room, let alone their own hearts, can someone justify letting a kid suffocate to death when it is in their power to save him?

>>639972

Its cheaper to let the kid die than to fly him out to Italy. Socialized medicine at it's finest!

DEMOCRACY YES!

>>639695

What miserable subreddit is this from? r/politics?

>>639543

>that quote from the rag

>the state somehow isn't responsible for the laws that made this possible, nor did it have anything to do with the police that enforced the decision to kill the child, and the political climate has no impact on the "independent" judiciary

>those crazy, stupid, sister-screwing redneck right-wingers are at it again

>>639462

It's not very dissimilar from the abortion butchery, late-term or otherwise, that goes on in every British hospital. The staff is clearly a-ok with that gruesome business. Their lack of reaction in this case doesn't surprise me.

Rest in peace, you now belong to a good shepherd. May the hospital and court staff repent and avoid hellfire. To the Archbishop of Liverpool Malcolm McMahon how does the thirty pieces of silver feel? We all now how that came to a end. Be sure to read Matthew 26:24 you winnie the pooh Judas.

>>639976

https://archive.fo/1BJGn

"PoliticalHumor"

>>639973

I don't get this argument. Socialized medicine was invented exactly so that the logic of profit and costs wouldn't have priority over the preservation of life, whatever the means of the patient and their condition is. Instead this is (((socialized medicine))) that masks itself as such but then acts exactly like private medicine.

Heartbreaking. RIP buddy.

Why do leftists love killing babies?

>>640089

There is a reson why the latin word "sinister" means left.

>>640092

Lol no way, seems to good to be true.

>>640100

I always knew of the whole right hand/left hand positioning and the symbolism associated with it, but I didn't know that the word "left" literally meant sinister. I guess you do learn something new everyday. Thank you anon.

>>640102

No, the word "sinister" means "left". You can't apply modern political views to an ancient Latin word. "Sinistra" didn't mean "evil" to the Romans any more than "Dextra" meant "correct". The Latin word for "evil" was "Malum".

>>640102

> I didn't know that the word "left" literally meant sinister.

It's rather that "sinister" means left.

They don't call it "The Left Hand Path" for nothing tbf

>>640119

Probably used in satanic rituals

>>640128

In case you didn't get it, it was a joke where the correlation between left-related therminology and evil-related meaning is exaggerated to the point where I say that "I bet the left hand rule is somehow used in satanic rituals"

>>640020

Yeah whatever

>>640100

It was the ass-wiping hand, that's why. No need to give occultists any credence.

>>640168

I don't know if that's true, implements were used, but the occultists have no credence anyway.

im probly gonna go to hell for this but they should execute everyone repsonsible for this

May God have mercy on this little lad's soul.

Dearest Jesus, who wept at the death of your friend

and taught that they who mourn shall be comforted,

grant us the comfort of your presence in our loss.

Send Your Holy Spirit to direct us

lest we make hasty or foolish decisions.

Send Your Spirit to give us courage

lest through fear we recoil from living.

Send Your Spirit to bring us your peace

lest bitterness, false guilt, or regret take root in our hearts.

The Lord has given.

The Lord has taken away.

Blessed be the name of the Lord.

Amen.

O sweet mother Mary,

who knew the sadness of mourning those your heart loved most,

Jesus, your Son,

and Joseph, your devoted spouse,

pray for us in our time of loss.

Amen.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————–

To all the cool kids in this thread: Why can't you contain yourself even in this sad case ? Stop meme'ing this. Alfie, his case and any other case that is similar to him is not matter to meme about, it's a matter to grief and be angry about. When you want change, then bring forth change through valid ways, but making fun of the this - directly or indirectly - will only pay disrespect to this little fellow that has never been given a chance by the very government that vowed to protect his life.

RIP innocent child… burn in hell, sodomite judge.

>>639695

Oh my… I'm really astounded at the kind of place reddit is nowadays. I was a regular user there years ago, and its unrecognizable to me now. It's like everybody decent drifted away and its just concentrated demon energy.

>>640353

The UK executed a child. He's dead now. His blood cries for vengeance from the Earth. Vengeance is the Lord's, He will repay.

>>640360

Some cases get more steam than others, especially when death and sin is before us daily (http://www.numberofabortions.com). This one got off big because of how personal it was, but God will repay for all this slaughter, and all this sin, and all our sins as well.

>>640363

>18 million black babies aborted since 1973

I'm okay with this.

>>640374

>tiggers

tiggers?

>>640382

tutor goes back to reddit when?

>>639743

Because academia is the new priesthood, college degrees, the new patents of nobility, and the peasant laity is not allowed to question its betters.

>>640366

Either repent or piss off back to pol.

And to all the dipshits in this thread saying "He was brain dead. There was nothing they could do," the same high priests of medicine who declared that never diagnosed his condition and said he'd die within minutes of being off the ventilator. They also repeatedly said he had 30% brain function, something that can be gotten around if it happens young enough (infants born with half a brain have gone on to live full lives). You're stating your case more strongly than the doctors who got it wrong. You're also trying to say that if he was blind and deaf, his life wasn't worth living, which is an insult to everyone who has lived such a life. Helen Keller? Stephen Hawking? This is the kind of Satanism that's getting Down's kids slaughtered en utero by the truckload, because if you really dig deep, it's not about whether the kid's life is worth living. It's about how hard the parents' life will be taking care of him, and too many modern crypto-Satanists publicly deny what they know to be true: They aren't doing the kid any favors, but they think they're helping the parents by 'relieving' them of the 'burden' of caring for a disabled child.

And to the illiterates claiming they needed the bed or the money, Italy was willing to take him off their hands days ago, all expenses paid. A car was waiting to take him to the airport to an airplane waiting to take him to Rome courtesy of the Italian government and the Vatican.

This is nothing short of a corrupt government that sees itself as the new godhead deciding what's in its own citizens' best interests.

>>638342

>britain

>the anglos

you're confusing an entire nation of men women and children with satanic globalists lad. I guarantee your country has the same sort of psychopaths in charge. You wouldn't want us blaming you for their actions, would you?

>>638360

>blaming an entire nation for the actions of satanic psychopaths

>>638439

ah yes the Nazi's, very based christians

>>638498

>killing innocent civilians for the actions of satanic globalists

very Christian of you

>>639880

>will punish Britain

will punish the British authorities*

why will I be punished for their sins?

>>640245

>killing an entire nation for the sins of the satanic authorities

>>640452

You voted for the system that allowed Alfie to die. Just like how all of Israel was punished for 1 Israeli's sin in the Book of Joshua, so shall your sinful country for harming that poor little one.

>>640105

>>640107

Yes, I got those mixed up. Thanks.

>>640556

They'd decided to kill him.

Rip child. You're already with God now.

The blood is now on great Britain's hands.

rip

>>640925

Can’t say Germans without sayin’ Germs

>>640925

that image was from WW2

>>640455

I'm talking about the people ITT who are confusing British people with the British government.

God will punish unrepentant sinners, not entire nations

>>641040

Is that why God punished all of Israel for the mistakes of the elders and put the Israelites back into slavery?

>>640564

Exactly. That's what a murderer is.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/29/opinions/alfie-evans-opinion-snead/index.html

CNN surprisingly actually is on side of the parents

I'm surprised

usually they are liberal rag but this time they are actually like

on the side of moral decency

"Accordingly, the state orders that his life-sustaining measures be withdrawn for the very purpose of ending his life. Your desperate objections are rebuffed as merely the product of irrational emotion. Police are deployed, protests ensue, and the hospital staff switches off his ventilator.

Is this some fictional, dystopian, totalitarian nightmare? Sadly and shamefully, no. It is the reality of the modern-day United Kingdom – a nightmare from which the parents of toddler Alfie Evans cannot awaken"

>>641206

>CNN does something right for a change.

What timeline is this again?

I'm not a Christanon, but I'm sympathetic to the case at hand. I will admit I believe that the state should only concern itself with the material interests of the individuals under it, though I also admit I believe human rights are already materialistically self evident, almost to the point of inalienability.

While I don't believe the child was capable of making a recovering (or even was fully an "individual" by this point), there is no doubt the NHS forcing him to stop breath constitutes murder… if just due to the ridiculous way they handled it. The simple fact is that, since there was no 'human consciousness' involved with the scenario, there was no material individual for the court to act in the interests of. He also wasn't in any pain, so their was no harm to alleviate him from. Since he had no material burdens or interests, there would be literally nothing stopping the parents from keeping him alive, though the NHS might desire to conserve resources for other individuals who could potentially be saved (thank the torries for cutting their budget).

Instead however, the "ethics" court effectively ruled that he had a soul, or some other form of metaphysical individualism, when it considered it in his best interest to kill him. Make no mistake, this is purely a religious decision by the court, and thus makes it a violation of the separation of church and state… not that it existed with her royal whore of crumpets on the throne.

I will admit the above is a massive amount of

<heresy

to you folk, but I felt the need to express my thoughts/solidarity on the issue regardless.

>>641227

>loicence fo' breathing expired, sorry m8

>>641227

AAAAAA

THEY ARE SETTING UP FOR THE LEGALITY OF THEIR EUGENICS PROGRAMS

LORD, DO NOT DELAY

>>641300

>>641227

Yes, sadly, this decision by the courts has set precedent. Whether or not its your wishes or not the courts may now kill you in cases where you are most vulnerable.

It makes me wonder when they will move on to those poor souls who were born disabled, such as the autistic children and those with down syndrome.

Now, here's also something rather interesting, in England and Wales (and possibly Scotland but I am unsure) organ donations are now opt-out instead of opt-in. As far as I know you also have a set time frame to apply to have your name taken off the registry of organ donors, though I could be incorrect about that.

If I recall correctly they may also take your organs, even if you opt-out, if family assents.

Now, of course, I'm not saying that the British state is preparing the populace to become what would be essentially an organ farm but its certainly interesting how they have by the backdoor made euthanasia mandatory, and also made organ donation almost mandatory.

>>641224

How about you just accept this is the natural result of your fedoraism, with it's materialism and lack of any morals? You have the nerve to call this a "religious decision", you huge "materialistically self evident" retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrYIwL4Y0tw

>>641310

Christ, I can already see the interviews.

>HUR it's so cool it's like we're superheroes

>all the things we see on movies are becoming real, yeaaa

The latter was literally the reponse a "passer-by" gave to TV after the first victim of a driveless car.

All the current superheroes movies are to indoctrinate the populace into accepting eugenics. I'm not saying every single movie producer is a satanist jew, but they are certainly useful idiots to them.

This case is about eugenics first and foremost.

>>639705

Okay but, how does it cost them ANYTHING to have the baby moved elsewere? LIke, why not let him go?

>>641570

it doesn't

considering the hospital's past it could be speculated that they wanted the boy's organs

>>637954

>No Anglican bishop spoke against this.

This is clearly because the Church of England is still a State Church and is thus controlled by the state. Nobody in the Church of England ever speaks out against the State because of this.

Ironically, a separation of Church and State would actually be a good thing because it would at least give the Church of England the autonomy to oppose the State once in a while.

>>641687

Church of England is still under reign of english monarchy. It was made to be state bitch and will always be. Separation of the two (and I do not speak about this wicked modern idea of separation, but middle ages one) is no more possible than separation of judges from the state.

>>640048

Judge something not by flowery words of intent but its effects. Socialized medicine is supposed to help the poor and unfortunate get care regardless of profit and costs. However we see that when socialized health care is in effect the state now judges whether or not the sick is worth an attempt at healing based on its costs. As in the case with the child and probably more unfortunates in the future the state did not rule in their favor.

I am against socialized health care primarily because it takes the power to decide from those affected by hardship. In a private run system there are plenty that fall through the cracks. In those cases it's a failing on our part as we lack in charity. However in the private run system these stories of the state condemning a family rarely happen. The charity we saw offered to the family here would have been used; maybe not saving the child's life but we would have avoided these dark events which make the British government look like murderers.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/alfies-final-hours-disturbing-new-details

you've got to be shitting me

he was getting better

he could have survived

but british doctor injected him with chemicals to kill him

oh and also

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/uk-cardinal-hits-back-at-critics-over-alfie-evans

"Cdl. Vincent Nichols: 'a court must decide what’s best, not for the parents but for the child'"

I sure hope the thirty pieces of silver were worth it, Judas, have fun with whatever blood money they paid you to support the murder of a child. You have, your eminence, by your support of child murder scandalized the faithful in your care.

If you do not repent, your eminence, then God will judge you, you surely know that? You surely know that the road to hell is paved with the bones and skulls of bishops similar to yourself who gave in and accepted evil?

You have blood on your hands, Cardinal Nichols.

>30 police officers are defending the room because protesters earlier tried to storm the hospital to save the child.

>What makes this worse is that they even dared to kill the child on a holy day; the feast day of St George, Patron Saint of England, was today.

Not coincidence. They wanted the blood sacrifice of an English child for it.

Now watch them burn the body, just like the Jews tempted by Satan did in the Old Testament.

>>641923

Fresh off the boat, are we?

>>641923

>Anyone here but newfags and poltards

>turning a blind eye to the any abortion

Welcome to internet's purgatory, we will be your guide

>>641929

>>641926

Alfie Evans is just one among MILLIONS who have been murdered by the state. What makes this abortion of life different from ANY other they've routinely committed?

>>641931

The fact that this is a "post-partum abortion", for a start. Abortion of foetuses is one thing, but state-sponsored killing of children is where it starts to lean scarily towards actual paganism.

There is no ethical or even ritual difference from killing a sick child "for the good of the state" and killing your son to ensure a good grain harvest for the good of the village.

>>641923

>If you care about this baby being aborted that means you don't care about this baby being aborted

What.

>>641933

Don't twist my words like a serpent. My questions was what makes him any different from the millions of other babies aborted each year?

>>641931

Nothing, we are also protesting abortion at every turn, which you'd have known had you been here longer than 24 hours

>>641937

I've been here for years.

>>641938

I'm sure you have been on 8chan since 2006

>>641943

Just as I can see your thinly veiled watered down insults so can God.

>>641946

Just as I can see your bold faced underscored lies so can God.

>saging a sticky

What the fu᠎ck am I doing

>>641952

>Just as I can see your bold faced underscored lies

I've said literally nothing that constitutes a lie. Please go subtly shill your atheistic worldview with pagans please.

>>641935

Nothing at all.

Now please leave, you're not helping either.

>>641967

And what exactly are you helping? This poor boy didn't deserve to die but neither did the other millions of souls that have been condemned before they were even conceived. This case is just more publicized than those. Nothing more.

>>641977

>Now please leave, you're not helping either.

>And what exactly are you helping?

I have not claimed to be helping, as the "either" in that sentence would imply, though you do not seem to realize this.

>This poor boy didn't deserve to die but neither did the other millions of souls that have been condemned before they were even conceived. This case is just more publicized than those.

Firstly, read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifiable_victim_effect

Then, realize that this individual history will do more for pro-life than numbers like the ones you have screamed just now. "one million babies have died!" hardly impacts the other people that are already pro-choice.

Lastly.

>>641933

This post I made seems to perfectly represent your argument, to my knowledge. I have changed the words around in order to present the logical fallacy more clearly, the essence of it is much the same.

>>642001

>I have not claimed to be helping, as the "either" in that sentence would imply, though you do not seem to realize this.

Then I will also ask you to leave. As you are not helping either.

>>642001

>Then, realize that this individual history will do more for pro-life than numbers like the ones you have screamed just now. "one million babies have died!" hardly impacts the other people that are already pro-choice.

This death hardly impacts them either. They are a synagogue of Satan that relish evil doings.

>>642001

>This post I made seems to perfectly represent your argument, to my knowledge. I have changed the words around in order to present the logical fallacy more clearly, the essence of it is much the same.

It is not a logical fallacy. In fact, the people who care more about the identifiable victim are the fallacious ones. With my original post I was pointing out the hypocrisy with which a great host of you think. To care about this infant any more than the others who died is silly and prone to human emotion. I'd advise you over to Reddit if you seek to act high and mighty.

>>642006

>he didn't read it

>he's trying to argue with me

Great.

>This death hardly impacts them either

If even one person changed because we tried the "This person died and this is their story" angle instead of the "X people died", this is having its impact.

>the people who care more about the identifiable victim are the fallacious ones

Its not a logical fallacy because there's no logic involved with their decisions first place.

I thought you were interested in actually stopping abortion instead of going around in circles?

>I'd advise you over to Reddit if you seek to act high and mighty.

Well well well.

We get semi-illiterate people like you here every one to two weeks but you're the hottest one so far.

>>642015

I did read it, and I did properly explain my view above you. So many atheistic pagans trying to bait nowadays it's ridiculous.

>>642015

>If even one person changed because we tried the "This person died and this is their story" angle instead of the "X people died", this is having its impact.

If they supported murder in the first place blood is already on their hands. I would give you my true opinion, say they need to repent, all that, but I can clearly tell you don't care about that, this is just a game to you. You compulsively NEED someone to attempt to belittle in your life to give yourself a sense of power. Just as the redditor fedora tries to prove his superiority, you attempt to prove yours, albeit in a different fashion.

Please leave. I have no intent to argue with someone who cannot see reason.

>>642020

>You compulsively NEED someone to attempt to belittle in your life to give yourself a sense of power

Funny how that comes form the guy that wrote >>641923

>this is just a game to you

>Getting people to become pro-life is a game to you because you don't agree with me

Really.

>>642022

(you)

>>641923

Try imagine what this guy is like irl

>>641923

>whataboutism

there's your (you)

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/02/legal-watchdog-may-investigate-christian-group-over-alfie-evans-case

they are literally gonna punish the law group because they *opposed killing children*

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/01/archbishop-hits-out-at-political-aims-of-some-alfie-evans-campaigners

meanwhile Cardinal Judas has no problems attacking the faithful who tried to stop the tragedy:

"The Catholic archbishop of Westminster has suggested that some people who campaigned in the case of Alfie Evans, the child who died last week after a protracted legal battle over his treatment, “used the situation for political aims”"

Why hasn't the Holy Father removed this man?

He is clearly at odds with the Pope himself, and is twisting Catholic teaching to support murdering children.

This isn't Father James Martin stuff, this is stuff on the level of that priest who during the Rwandan genocide lured those men into his church and ordered it bulldozed.

Like in that situation, his eminence lured in these faithful Catholic parents, making them think the diocese would support them, and then giving public support to the child's murder.

This man is not a man of God, nor should he be a man of cloth. He is like the false Jews who during the Maccabean revolt sacrificed to pagan gods in the Temple.

The heart of this issue is clear. Liberalism is and always will be on a path to destroy family ties and values. For whatever reason, the hospital and the UK government thought they knew more about what was best for Alfie than Alfie's mom.

>>641977

The issue here is how they grow bolder and bolder. And they do so because infanticide is even more glorified and accepted. The fate of the child is the same, but the conditions of the execution show that they can even reveal their true face without people doing anything.

>>642403

>Why hasn't the Holy Father removed this man?

It's just a prank, bro.

It's pretty cool that we can even have these kind of problems nowadays.

Back in the days this child would be one of the many people tried for just to not have the bloodline, or in the case of pandemics, the population at large, die out.

Behind Alfie carcasses of children are piled so high they blot out the sun.

It has gotten so much better.

That said.

>Oy bruv we know better than you on whats best for your childe

Disgusting.

>>642622

Back in the day, anyone who wouldeven suggest doing what has been done to Alfie would be lynched

How much silver are these Bishops getting?

>>637954

This is a uniquely horrifying case. Alfie is dead, but the whole world has heard his name.

With that said, that makes it uniquely useful for proselyting and getting people to wake up, not uniquely tragic in an absolute sense.

4 and a half million infant children are killed by abortion, each month, worldwide. Over 250 thousand children under the age of five die, each month, from easily-preventable disease and starvation due to lack of funds.

If you care about abortion (which IMO you should): Ireland is about to vote on legalizing abortion, as is the Isle of Mann's parliament. The government of the United states is in the hands of a party that promised to ban abortion; only a handful of state governments have taken even small steps to do so.

Let's not lose sight of the state of the playing-board.

>John Paul 2 doesnt want to be connected to the respirator

Everyone respects his choice. Praise naturalism. God is great.

>Brain dead kid gets disconnected

MURDER. KILL ALL DOCTORS

yup sure is cathlolicsm here

Also the parents wanted to wait till the child was officially 2 years old so they could get insurance money or something.

>>643555

Right, because as we all know the state should make choices not parents and children are mature enough to make life or death choices.

But you don't care about the actual facts of the case, you just want to shit all over everyone else for daring to not want children murdered by the state. How very, very brave of you.

There is also the issue of the doctors depriving the child of food, water and other necessary things, the issues about some doctors saying the child's condition may have been exaggerated by Alder Hey, and the long history of the hospital of seemingly letting children die to harvest their organs.

But you sure showed us with that greentext and strawman.

>>643557

Yeah I trust the state more to be the final arbiter when it comes to caring about it's citizen's wellness and healthiness. It's not the best but can be better in some cases than the parents. You don't cry when the state takes care of children from pathological families do you? Everyone here wanted to score points with the body of a braindead child. Manipulated parents prolly wanted money, church wanted to show off "muh goodness", foreign doctors wanted to get famous and the state wanted to show off it's resilience.

tbh you're all hypocrites. If the state decided on a new law to take all non-christian children from their parents and covert them to Christianity you'd all be ecstatic. Agitating more violence and spreading fake news is evidence of your political motivations to be religious and not of genuine faith.

It's a shitty situation and thank God the child is not suffering anymore. Saint Theresa did the same thing essentially.

>>643572

>>639886

>>643572

This is some IMAX level projection here. No matter what the state tries to do, its constant attempts to subvert what were, for all time, the roles of family and church show them for the same prideful reprobates who brought us the Tower of Babel.

>>643586

>sugerowanie ze uwierzę w diagnozę jakiejś polaczkowej prawiczkowej doktroki która dziecka nie widziała na własne oczy, no bambo prośba

>Fronda.pl

lmao "polish doctors"

They do not have ANY expertise on this and this is just a biased opinion for a biased "news" source.

She hasn't seen a MRI ever in her life.

>The child reacts to the voice of his father, he periodically opens his eyes, he tightens his mouth around his soother. The parents insist that he is making contact with them.

Yeah totally not seizures or meaningless reflexes. Nope. It must be God helping that child etc etc.

Stop comparing this to abortion. This is not abortion. This is a different matter.

>>643578

Cry me a river lmao. So salty.

>>643572

>You don't cry when the state takes care of children from pathological families do you?

Sure we do. Birth parents may be awful, and some children might be harmed horribly by them but how many children are harmed horribly through foster and state care? At least the biological parents have some biological basis for wanting the child to survive.

>tbh you're all hypocrites. If the state decided on a new law to take all non-christian children from their parents and covert them to Christianity you'd all be ecstatic

Absolutely no. Indoctrination and forced conversion equals exactly zero new Christians. You're moral nihilism shines through, along with your egocentricism, that keeps you from realizing that some folks actually don't want to control others- they just want themselves to be left alone and unmolested.

>>643572

>I trust the state more to be the final arbiter when it comes to caring about it's citizen's wellness and healthiness

And how does it do that by subjecting said citizens to an illegal euthanasia?

>>640433

>And to the illiterates claiming they needed the bed or the money, Italy was willing to take him off their hands days ago, all expenses paid. A car was waiting to take him to the airport to an airplane waiting to take him to Rome courtesy of the Italian government and the Vatican.

I heard that, if flown, little Alfie would have expired from the air pressure; but I'm just a layman and honestly can't judge the veracity of such statements. Anyone know enough to refute or confirm?

>>644741

Even if that was the case, the Vatican COULD have saved the kid.

The UK abandoned the boy, why should they care if the kid dies in their hospital or on a plane? Unless…http://mb-inspiring.ntd.tv/life/hospital-where-alfie-evans-died-has-history-of-organ-harvesting-but-is-this-the-tip-of-an-iceberg.html

>>637954

>Pope Francis directed the Vatican Secretary of State to do all he could to save the child but it was for naught.

>There was a hospital in the Vatican able to at the least provide comfort for the child if they couldn't save the child. Instead the child is suffocating to death in agony.

Isn't this unfair to all the other children who are suffering in the world that the Pope/Vatican didn't bother to give a hospital bed to? Why be so selective here and offer it to Alfie? Simply because he's a media sensation?

>>645242

I agree with everything you say. My point wasn't about the merits of Alfie Evans' case. It was the fact that millions of kids are literally dying every year and the Pope/Vatican didn't offer them hospital beds. And yes, these kids are dying due to their own countries government. So why the discrepancy?

>>637954

>article doesn't even say what he's suffering from

Quality OP right there.

>everyone is jumping on popularity train and tries to suck that boys dick off for good goy points

disgusting

>>645238

>Isn't this unfair to all the other children who are suffering in the world

Isn't it unfair that you have plenty and others nothing. Till you rectify that maybe you can shut your mouth when the Church tries to save an innocent child from being murdered.

>Simply because he's a media sensation?

How about because he was very publicly murdered by evil government officials who wanted to turn it around and act like the parents and their supporters were the evil ones.

>millions of kids are literally dying every year

And you think letting Alfie die is going to help all the others they deem must die as well. You and everyone else here wetting their pants about "fairness" are cowards.

>>645255

You can winnie the pooh off as well you edgy coward.

>>645267

>Isn't it unfair that you have plenty and others nothing.

But I'm not selectively offering my resources to one kid and denying them to others.

The Pope/Vatican was willing to help *this* kid but conveniently forgot about all the others. Where's the justification here?

>>645278

>But I'm not selectively offering my resources to one kid and denying them to others.

Oh, so you're going to be a childless loser. It all makes sense now.

>The Pope/Vatican was willing to help *this* kid but conveniently forgot about all the others. Where's the justification here?

So they either help everyone or no one. Is that really going to be your stance. You're like those idiots who screech that the Vatican should sell off everything to "end" poverty.

>>645282

>So they either help everyone or no one.

No that's obviously not my position. I asking why *this* particular child? What makes him more deserving?

>>645284

>No that's obviously not my position.

It is because in the next breath you say:

>why *this* particular child? What makes him more deserving?

The logical conclusion is that helping a child not be murdered is not a good enough reason unless they can do it for literly everyone.

>>645290

I accept they can't help all children. But why this child and not a kid some place else?

>>645295

Ok, what about that other kid, is he more deserving then the next kid, or the next, or the next. When exactly do we stop chin scratching and actualy do something. At what point will a innocent child be deserving enough for the help.

Its easier to sit around and ponder the "fairness" of helping a needy child because it requires you to do nothing.

>>645300

Perhaps I've not expressed myself clearly. Why did the Catholic Church intervene in this case but not others? I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do but nevertheless it's a point to consider. Surely this thing happens everyday but the Church sees no reason to involve itself?

>>645295

Different anon, I’ll try to answer your question.

First off, you know it’s physically impossible for the Vatican to save every dying child. Second, this kids case was well known. Yes, millions of kids are suffering. But this suffering gets no attention, as most of the time it’s in remote poor areas in second or third world countries. Third, even if one kid is saved (or at least die comfortably), its better than nothing. This kid was a special case and is closer to the Vatican than those other million children. As for those other million, prayer is the best thing right now because of how tough resources mangement, space available, and living conditions the children are living in.

>>645303

The Church helps thousands every day. You don't care because they aren't as visiable as this case. As for the reason why the Church went to bat for Alfie, maybe because this is the second time a big case of the British government mandating the murder of a child. Maybe the obvious evil intent of doctors and judges. Maybe because the hospital has not only a long history of malpractice (which Alfies case is a obvious cover up for) but history of organ theft.

Or maybe we can no longer except the now blatant human sacrifices happening in our societies today. Either way there is no excuse to whine about any group doing good for an innocent child. The Church has always been against abortion, euthanasia, and assisted suicide that harm the most poor and vulnerable amongst us.

>>645311

I agree wholeheartedly with your defence of the RC Church because they are probably the biggest force for good on the planet.

>The Church helps thousands every day.

More like millions. But does the Vatican ever it's own hospital facilities to foreigners? Or just in this case?

>Maybe because the hospital has not only a long history of malpractice (which Alfies case is a obvious cover up for)

What did you mean by this?

>>645319

>does the Vatican ever it's own hospital facilities to foreigners

Maybe, who knows. Seeing the sodomite judge and corrupt hospital had a vested interest to keep Alfie in the country so they could murder him I don't believe offering them Vatican medical help they had in Britain would have done much.

>What did you mean by this?

That the hospital lied about his condition and murdered him to cover their own asses.

>>645330

>him I don't believe offering them Vatican medical help they had in Britain would have done much.

In the OP it literally says that the Vatican did offer it though:

>There was a hospital in the Vatican able to at the least provide comfort for the child if they couldn't save the child.

I was just curious as to whether this was a common thing or just a one off for Alfie.

>That the hospital lied about his condition and murdered him to cover their own asses.

I did not know about that.

>>645338

>In the OP it literally says that the Vatican did offer it though:

Yes, their medical facility in Rome, but they have medical facilities in Britain they could have given the same care, but the medical care in britain they could have offered would have done much because they wanted the child dead. Only moving the child out of country would have helped and from memory he had more then one country offer to take him in.

>>645346

>Yes, their medical facility in Rome, but they have medical facilities in Britain they could have given the same care

I didn't realise the Vatican had hospitals in the UK, my mistake.

>>645349

They have hospitals everywhere. Atleast Catholic managed ones. But the problem wasn't him being sick, it was the sickos wanting to murder him. Seeing they injected him with some drug cocktail of who knows what 30 minutes before he died. He was doing fine and outlived the hospitals estimates off the ventalator by a thousand fold.

>>645354

Why do you believe they *wanted* him dead? That's quite a strong accusation.

>>645364

So the hospital and courts go through all this crap, both impugn the characters and motivation of the parents, all in the attempt to either suffocate or starve to death a child that multiple groups had offered to take in and pay for his care. Factor in the hospitals horrible history and the mystery drugs they injected right before his death. Now multiple people and groups that was fighting for Alfie are being investigated by the cops because of their advocacy. With all that are you honestly trying to have me believe that all that was done in his best interests of the child.

If you want to drink the koolaid and offer up children for sacrifice be my guest but don't act like you have some moral high ground to fight in this.

>>645284

Alfie Evans was a living creature in need of aid. How are we supposed to quantify how worthy he was in comparison to hypothetical children who live in your imagination?

>>645284

Because this news is programming to familiarize people with killing citizens the government deems unworthy and controlling reproduction; eugenics.

Thanks guys for keeping this going. I'm unsticking it now. Keep praying for his soul, and for his parents, and for his country. May God have mercy on the people who did this.