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>that little kids are lying pieces of shit or that they are interacting with the occult

Neither, they are just children.

1 Corinthians 13:11

>>615739

>11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

What does that mean?are you implying that lying is the nature of children?

I could never create an Imaginary friend I could use as more as a mental toy, placeholder, a programmed character in a play as other kids CLAIMED to do so!

Or are you claimed that adults have no imagination?

>>615740

Or are you *claiming*

Darn!

>>615738

Neither, but I disagree with the other anon who says that it is childish. In fact I think it's an excellent use of the mind and memory that I never lost sight of(I determined at 7 when I saw how horrible adults are and how they view things I'd "never grow out" of some things, that is one of them, now it's permanent). Now I mainly use them for continuing a massive plot in a universe I made years ago when I was younger, and for solving logical problems and talking through issues, coping, creating ideas, etc, with various characters based of things I know, made up, or saw/heard. It's excellent and helpful, do it.

They are not lying, and it is not occult. They simply are using their imagination for the things that are important to them. The imaginary friends speaking with them and showing them things is merely them (intelligence and thoughts operate around memory in an endless looping chain, breaks from this are either God/spirits or a repackaging and understanding of a concept by yourself) and their memories being shown to them again, which for them seems to happen more often (would happen with adults if they weren't lame).

You must also understand that so-called "reality" and so-called "fantasy" are not "clear" to them yet, even to not understanding the "finality" of "death" (as the childist say about them, who themselves don't understand any of these things but passs judgement as if they are superior). It's a wonderful thing, and I believe that people should encourage it in their children, or just children in general, and shouldn't lose it themselves, but rediscover it and use it to their advantage. Imaginary friends (or enemies, really anything in the imagination) is extremely helpful.

The imaginations of most people are dead (though can be revived), so they don't use them. Demons can use images against you though, but it's not nearly the same. It's more a forcing of an image into your head, and you'll know when that is. Doesn't happen too often from what I know though.

Only imaginary beings I could conjure up as a child were enemy ninjas. My religious parents were glad that I was capable of out-fighting them.

Maybe they would have been concerned if I had been having deep conversations with a figment of my imaginations instead of talking with my little brother.

>>615738

>I now know plenty of kids claim to have imaginary friends that manifest to them impromptu, speak with hem and show them things ( information exchange and free will)

>Now, there is 2 options: that little kids are lying pieces of shit or that they are interacting with the occult.

>>615754

>Demons can use images against you though, but it's not nearly the same. It's more a forcing of an image into your head, and you'll know when that is.

I have a creature like that, but it claims to be an angel. The images and sounds it sends are clearly distinct from my imagination. It can even send tactile hallucinations which I've tried to master with my own imagination but never got results that weren't just me brushing against a blanket or something.

>>615757

>>615754

What the actual toasty Hell people, I have Imagined legions upon legions of characters, worlds and stories, But they all say exactly what I want them to say, to the point it get's boring because I am not fucking Tolkien and have limits, sometimes my stories end like crap.

This characters I make I could even speak to but they wont say anything I don't want, they wont reveal any new information since I am the source of all they know, they wont surprise me, jump out of nowhere or tell me to do shit, they are like toys in my mind, playing a cartoon or a movie for me which I am the sole writer, director and audience.

I am sorry but having a character you can have actual conversations with, a character with self determination is an alluring idea to me, but also impossible, like growing a tiny brain within your own.

To create a character and then giving it even a slight degree of free will, seems almost like something only a GOD should be able to do, and you know that if it does not came from God, it can only come from other place…

In fact have always believed even if some people think is blasphemous, that God gave humans free will because he was bored, he willingly gave humans the ability to amuse him. Then again, he already knows what we will do, so it kind of breaks the whole "free will" thing doesn't it? it's like God is watching a movie he has already seen.

>>615768

Well, that's your experience with the imagination. I never feel bored, but always entertained and excited by it. I usually walk in circles while thinking, or pace back-and-forth, and sometimes it gets so exciting to me I start running and find myself out of breath. It feels surprising, sometimes it feels like new conclusions out of nowhere, etc. Not everyone has the same experience with fantasy I guess.

With giving characters free will, do remember that we are a little lower than God. It is my personal belief humans creating art emulates the relationship in a way between God making us. I think we can do that even with characters, but they are only characters. No harm is done with that.

>In fact have always believed even if some people think is blasphemous, that God gave humans free will because he was bored, he willingly gave humans the ability to amuse him. Then again, he already knows what we will do, so it kind of breaks the whole "free will" thing doesn't it? it's like God is watching a movie he has already seen.

I know how you feel about this (I struggled with months about it before resting easy on the topic), but it doesn't break it down, here's why:

God as immanent in all and infinite, having been eternally and being forever, has already done everything He will do. And all He has done is all in His character to do, dispense eternal love and mercy (regardless of whether you accept it or not, this is what He does). You have free will, but it is true, He already knows what has been done and what will be done, but that is because He is infinite. He knows what you used your will for, and what you will use it for, but you still used it regardless. He simply sees your choices. So yes, He already knows what's going to happen to you, and yes, if you are saved He has already saved you, if you damn yourself He has already given it to you (we alone see time), but you used your will in the future (in our perception) for this. You did all you have done, each moment you're using the will for something (as I am using it to type this). But because of His infinite immanence, He knows, doesn't mean He controls. He simply knows.

>>615757

>I have a creature like that, but it claims to be an angel. The images and sounds it sends are clearly distinct from my imagination. It can even send tactile hallucinations which I've tried to master with my own imagination but never got results that weren't just me brushing against a blanket or something.

Simply try those things when they happen by the rules that we as Christians know, and then do with it accordingly. The two most important ones are:

1) Does this help me to love my neighbor (whatever instructions, ideas, etc)?

2) Does this help me to love God with all my being?

I'm not sure those images and such can really be forced away, as they are absolutely real, but what to do with them is up to us. In trying to force them out before, it just stays, so then I know it's not from me.

>>615775

I made this thread to prove that kids could see demons.

I as a kid knew exactly what was my invention, my lie, this is why I loved TV it was the only way I could be amused ( watching others people lies/imagination)

However there were kids being spooked to by their "friends" that had information kids could not know, telling them to do stuff they didn't want to do and even get overpowered by such "friends" if you note a pattern, you see there is malevolence around this Imaginary friends.

While mine they were, yes bad, but they wee bad because I made them bad, they did as I please, they never told me to jump outside the window, I told them to kill the hero's family, bring the goddamn building down of nuke the city, etc.

There was a girl I knew that talked to herself late at night and said she saw an older girl she played with that wanted for her to jump from her apartment's balcony, that's not very healthy if you ask me, however there is the possibility she was a liar, specially since she was Hispanic and they believe all sorts of bullshit.

My point is, Imaginary friends are not what shrinks believe, what you describe is the same thing I did as a kid except my Imagination was more bolder and action loaded.

is there information in the Bible about kids perceiving the world of the invisible better?

>>615830

Surely, if one just comes sufficiently close enough to God, the demons just fall away though? Surely, overcoming the demon that's attacking you is in itself an occult practise?

The imagination is something people lose as they age. It's not something you want to, or should, lose. I'd imagine that it's closely linked with a person's ability to see or figure out danger. I see the most destructive aspect of our society is it's destruction of the imagination. But, it sounds like it you're wanting to create a tulpa.

>>>/fringe/