/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>615358

God will provide you a wife if it be in His plan for you anon. Keep following Christ and keeping His commandments, that is the heart of the unceasing prayer. Doing so will give you blessings beyond what you're able to receive as one man.

You met one once, you can do it again. Take that confidence and move forward.

>>615358

>thinking women have actual agency or ability to form their own beliefs

She's sadly in the 99th percentile in terms of Western women. Make her begome gadolig.

>>615359

Thanks for the kind words, anon. I'm not giving up hope and will not start doubting Him. But not going to lie, getting my hopes up and having them destroyed by her heretic drivel was soul crushing.

>>615362

She's been in that sect since childhood and seems to like it. I'm afraid arguing with a brainwashed person is pointless.

Instead of being an autist why don't you convince her through calm explanation why her views are wrong?

>>615373

This. OP is giving up too easily

>>615358

What congregation doesn't believe in the afterlife?

Like, I'm 50/50 on whether hell is an allegory for the eternal suffering that occurs in the instant you realize you're facing non-existence (because that'd be consistent with the wages of sin are death) or whether it's an actual plane of existence. I believe in Hades or the Sheol, cause' Jesus went there and preached, but that's not Gehenna and the two aren't interchangeable.

But eternal life and heaven, that's just solidly what Christ says he gives to those who follow him. If you don't believe that, you're not Christian.

>>615469

some new age religious sect or one of those weirdo money grabbing institutions like Jehovah's witness is my guess

>>615469

Universal memetarians probably

>>615469

Some heresy gets curiouser and curiouser as time goes on.

>>615358

So, she's a "Christian Athiest?

>>615484

no she is simply a protestashit

>>615358

make her begome

Invite her to your church.

Don't try to convince her through argument. People don't begome because you have mind blowing arguments theyve never heard lol. She will convert if you're her husband.

If not, ignore the heretic. God will send you a real Christian woman one day

>>615373

^^^^^^^^^

Not that it will be easy of course, but remember that helping her would cause quite a celebration in heaven. The best advice I can think of is simple patience; if someone thinks this way they are either not that devoted to Jesus at all or particularly devoted to a very strange reading of what he says. I don't know which, if either or both, is the case, but either way you have the potential to save her and should consider, with honesty and without fear how Jesus could be reaching out to you.

It's so hard to find a Christian girl. I've been debating datin a certain girl recently, but I'm really not sure where she stands on religion. And what the hell do I do if she's no religious, do I break it up on the spot or try to change her mind?

>>615365

>she's been in the sect since childhood

Bring her to mass with you. If she is of good will she will convert herself.

>>615365

>she's been in that sect since childhood and seems to like it

Whether she likes it or not has no bearing on the fact that heretics will burn for eternity.

She seems like a nice girl, try to get her to begome Galvinist :DD

>>615469

JW. They don't believe in the trinity either.

OP, try to convert her, but have no delusion that she's a keeper. Women are replaceable. There are even slightly more women then men on the planet. If you want a wife, then look in your church. Go to another church. Keep trying. But this girl seems like nothing more than a conversion goal. Also, do not let her tempt you.

Talking to her right now. She actually defends shutting off your family members out of your life completely if they wish to leave their faith. Makes it sound like it's perfectly fine and makes sense. Defends not being able to receive blood donations and would rather die. Says the end of the world is near. Also says it's not a cult.

I'm afraid she's a lost cause. But it's kind of heart breaking because she was born into it and doesn't have a choice. Wouldn't be able to leave even if she wanted to because that would mean losing whole family and friends. This is seriously messed up.

>wanting a gf

>in these times

That’s what you did wrong.

Jokes aside, like many suggested here, try to show her why her congregation is wrong.

No she's protestant. You will not be the first catho to marry one. So settle this issue telling her your opinion.

You fucked up, there was every opportunity to explain that even if "there isnt a heaven or hell or afterlife" it doesnt matter because on every level the consequences are equally dire. Lets say we presume hypothetically that they dont exist, the pain, anguish, suffering and judgement will fall on them immediately like a blazing firey sword of eternal damnation. Thats like saying "haha I wont get AIDS Ill just stick myself with this rusty needle" its like the idea of acting that way will lead you to a hell of its own doing.

>>615469

shes a Jehovahs witness I believe

So what? My wife was an atheist that dabbled in wiccan garbage until I met her and went on a crusade against it. I slowly convinced her of God but I was not loose about it. I made it clear that God exists, that the Bible is the truth, and that there is no compromise in this household. But I didn't just say "trust me". I also showed her movies like the Prince of Egypt, the Ten Commandments, Son of God, the Netflix Bible series, the various Marian apparitions, how Christ affected my life personally, and the beauty of an eastern catholic mass. Now she prays almost every day and fasts weekly with me, and asks all the time about God. it doesn't take much. Just don't compromise your faith. the woman wants you. they will adapt and come to their senses to be with you

>>615659

Right on!

>>615638

> try to show her why her congregation is wrong

Subtle difference, but it's more effective to show her that you're right.

>>615659

>dabbled in wiccan garbage

That's not a religion or a cult. There is no organization, no pressure from other members. Nobody really believes in this shit, it's just what bored women do to feel special. And obviously they will drop it as soon as they find something better.

The difference to JW is that they are fanatics who will rather let their own children die to blood lose than get transfusion.

>>615633

> But it's kind of heart breaking because she was born into it and doesn't have a choice

She does have a choice though, but that only makes it even more heartbreaking.

>>615496

No disrespecting the mods but he's probably right in that it's just one of those weird-ass protestant denominations.

>>615707

It's likely they may call themselves "Protestant," but per the rules of the board and, in all honesty, Protestant means Christian and Christian means believing the Nicene Creed, which states that Heaven, Hell, and the afterlife are all very real.

>>615720

I'd add that painting Protestants at large with the same brush one paints weird non-Christians is not charitable. I see no problem in saying that the reformation and the creation of 33,000 denominations had led to these things, though.

>>615358

Marry her and step by step redpill her. She can't be that stupid as to not understand the heaven and hell concept. It's not her fault she's been around heretics.

>>615722

Exactly. Marry her, put some babies in her, bring her and them to Church, get them catechized properly over time.

Don't let a search for the best become an enemy of the good.

>>615747

I don't think that's good advice. Certainly didn't work on my dad, who didn't really go to church before marriage. My mom tried for 20 years but 0 results.

>>615469

Seventh Day Adventists and some other groups believe when you die you are truly dead but then later there will be a resurrection and you will be alive again in a new body. That could be what she meant. Not an afterlife in the mainstream understanding as in 'as soon as you die your soul goes somewhere' but still an (eventual) life after death.

>>615771

That's a totally different dynamic. Men lead. Women follow. That's the Biblical position.

>>615774

You can't make her do anything though. If things are not crystal clear before marriage, they're not going to get better in marriage.

>>615779

>You can't make her do anything though

Perhaps.

>If things are not crystal clear before marriage, they're not going to get better in marriage.

Absolutely correct. But you never know. I wouldn't expect anything out of it, though.

My point was more that your parents' situation is different, and even more difficult. The fact that your father didn't change your mother is a sign you're right, though.

>>615358

You dodged a bullet Anon. In the end, she would have ended up cucking you.

>>615986

ask her if she's Christian. If not, then don't worry, you don't have any reason to date her.

Why are you asking so much for this QT wife? You have a disordered attachment to this idea when it may very well not be in God's plan. And so what if it isn't? He knows what is best for you and wills that, and He wills you to come to eternal union with him. So much of this board needs to hear this. Stop thinking your world revolves around this!

>>615986

Be confident, ask her out personally, not by texting.

>>616044

Yeah but its only natural that the strong desire for a wife probably means you're meant to have one like most people in human history

>>615358

>she's excited, says she's christian, read the bible several times etc

>"Anon, please don't get mad but people in my congregation don't believe in heaven, hell or the afterlife"

I know women tend to be dumb and easily programmable drones but how does one that read the Bible "several times" come to the conclusion or believe in their congregation's belief that there is no afterlife and still call themselves a Christian? It's pretty blatant in the Gospels, Epistles, and Revelation

>>615365

What kind of limp-wristed attitude is this? Isn't it our duty as christians to lead by examüple and spread the good news? If so, OP should ask for a second date and slowly, subtly, over time take this poor misguided girl to the right path.

Letting her go is passivity and unmanly.

>>615358

>see cute girl in church

>think to myself, I have no chance, but at least she's young and going to church

>Look a little closely

>texting on her phone the whole time

>feelsbadman

>>616104

Women aren't really the issue. There are a lot of men among JW too.

>>617036

So what.

You can convert her. If she loves you she will.

>>615986

An informal compliment is enough. It takes 5 seconds. She will get the message.

>>617298

Never even talked to her.

>>617298

Don't be that naive bro. Even if she did convert, would you be sure she did for the right reasons or to just get you off her back? Can you imagine her leading a Christian life? I've never seen anyone text at church, for me that's worse than not going at all because at least you're being honest.

>>616104

>I know women tend to be dumb and easily programmable drones

Do you think Jesus approves of this mindset and language?

Do you think he thought of his mother as an inferior, dumb drone?

Do you think Paul thought this way when he spoke about the admirable works women did, even leading and teaching men (outside of clergy)?

This board has a very significant issue with placing women into a category of lesser/bad/inferior and inflating their own ego. That is cruelty and pride.

>>615659

>eastern catholic mass

Maronite?

what a sweet girl

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>>619073

Do you believe saints are infallible?

>>615721

lol and yet not a catholic thread goes by without

> hurr durr goddess worship

and no warning! Funny innit?

>>619011

You're supposed to treat them as sisters. After we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. It's sad when you see in a dating app that she is into feminism, demisexuality, atheism… but hell if I could change so can her.

But dating someone with the idea of converting her don't sound very convincing.

>>615358

It's the duty of man to lead women.

If you get her to fall for you there is a good chance she will change her beliefs.

>>619552

It is the duty of a HUSBAND not "a man" or "all men" to give up his life for his WIFE, not "a woman", not "all women". He is called to sacrifice himself for her as Jesus sacrificed himself for the church; gave up his life for it. A husband is called to be good FOR HER.

Leading her to good is good for her, yes, but the leading aspect isn't supposed to be "you are to control and dictate". You are. It called to be a hypermasculine tyrant.

You are supposed to be like Christ to her. What did Christ do for us? Did he lead and control, or did he set an example and say "follow me if you will"?

>>619618

Yes, but those who don't suffer consequences.

Same for relationships. Don't twist the word to justify your limp wrist.

>>626341

Those who don't what? A lot of people on here seem to use "men must lead" (which we must) as an excuse, as the other post said, to "control and dictate" like a "hypermasculine tyrant." The sin of pride abounds here, he was merely warning against that. That doesn't mean he has a "limp wrist"…

>>615633

99% sure she's one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Look, I was raised a JW too. Don't get your hopes up, that she will convert and go to a church. JW are brainwashed on how evil the churches are, especially catholic. They despise the catholic church.

I wanted to become catholic after leaving this cult, but the JW-roots are strong. Every mass I attend makes me feel uncomfortable. When I see or hear these pastors and priests preaching, I feel annoyance.

And good luck trying to make her believe in hell, afterlife or the holy trinity. Here are some cornerpoints of their believes: Jesus is Archangel Michael, the only direct creation from God. Everything else was created with/through Jesus. There are no other archangels. All religions except JW are led by Satan. The people who write the watchtower-magazine are led by God. Everything they say must be believed. JW don't believe that there are souls. Your soul is just your body, your life. Everything you are will vanish when you die.

Literally 144.000 chosen JW will reign in heaven alongside Jesus. All the other JW will have eternal life on earth. All non-JW will get wiped out, alongside Satan.

JW are anti-patriotic and anti-nationalist. They couldn't care less for traditions, ancestors, father land or mother language. Only watchtower.

They base their believes on the bible, but twist some things. Every text who doesn't fit their narrative is considered "symbolic". Other texts, which are obviously symbolic, get a 100% literal meaning.

You probably won't win a debate on that matter, because JW are trained in bible debates from day one.

The most important thing in life is making more JW.

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So back to your girl…

If she starts a relationship with you, she's in trouble. Her family and the church elders will pressure her into shutting you off. They say going into a relationship with worldy people (every non-JW is worldly) would make God sad… "Who do you love more, Jehovah or OP-anon?" If she chooses you, she would lose every social contact, including her family.

Look, she will keep the contact as long as she thinks that there is hope that YOU will convert to her cult. I hope you won't go down that path. You shouldn't sell your soul for a woman.

There are some rare cases where a JW is married to a non-JW. It's a mess for everyone involved.

Only positive thing: JW-spouses are unlikely to cheat on you.

Ask your questions, I will answer.

>heaven, hell

As a place that people go in the next moment after death, nothing wrong here.

>afterlife

Does she believe all humans cease to exist at death? No belief in the resurrection? Pure heresy.

>>617313

>Can you imagine her leading a Christian life?

My friend, just last Sunday we celebrated Mary of Egypt, who led a dreadful life full of lust before repenting and turning entirely to God, and you can't see how someone who simply doesn't pay attention in church can become a proper Christian? Please tell me I've fallen for bait here, I don't want to believe that you're that stupid.

I have almost gave up on women…the only ones interested in me are the from other ethnic groups.

All I want is to be in love with God, and to be a "simple man": alone or with a woman, well…that's up to God.

>>627103

Have you considered begoming a monk?

>>627104

I have issues which would make that decision dangerous.

But who knows…I am leaving that door open, if it's in God's plans.

>>616104

Bastardized versions of the Bible meant to push their sect’s agenda.

>>627111

What issues, friend? If you feel comfortable sharing.

>>627518

I still struggle with SSA.

>>627178

That…could be the most difficult yet most rewarding “way out” from this world. I’ll have to pray and see if that’s the path God wants me to walk.

>>619011

Is it prideful to treat a child as a child, or is it moral?

If you treat a child as an adult, you're the prideful one by believing it can do certain things only full grown adults can. You believe that it is above its God given nature.

Same goes for women.

>>626501

Is a father a tyrant for denying his child ice cream for lunch? Get out of here.

Authority is a consequence of capability.

Men have authority over women because of our natural superior fitness.

If you didn't realize that in your mundane experience, that means you are less capable physically and mentally than the average men who did.

>>626501

Forgot to answer part of it.

Those who don't go to fucking hell, literally the ultimate punishment.

>>627103

You mean the actual Christians are interested in you? God forbid!

>>615358

convert her

i was an atheist who did nothing but jack off and listen to how great muh socialism is until my Hispanic friend went to become catholic i have been going to church since i have learned about the crusades and become a hard believer in Christ

the thing was i was baptized Methodist and was born again 15 years later at the age of 20

just slowly convert her unless she is not a virgin and believes in abortion in which case leave asap

>>619011

Yes.

Are you seriously comparing the Mother of God to typical college thots?

Yes.

>>628192

I thought we had to raise kids as adults so they become competent. They're mini-adults as it is.

>be manlet 1/4 asian

>watch jp porn for years

>be only attracted to asians

>no hope of whites being my gilfriend

>all asians in my country are non-christian

>immigration to another country at least 2 years away

>24, balding, pretty sure will be bald by then

would kys but that’s a sin

>>628198

Those who don't lead as men go to hell? No, they're just being unwise and might live a less satisfactory life…

>>628272

>bald

Viet dentist is hella badling and he has the qt of qt-est azn waifus. Women care more about how you project and carry yourself as a man.

>>634953

No I hate bald men.

>>635211

Are you a gril?

>>615373

>he doesn't understand what the backfire effect is

>>615574

JWs are a cult and therefore nigh-unconvertible. Lost cause.

>>635447

lol. post.

>>635502

How do you feel about (((interracial marriage)))? God has dropped an Asian woman in my bag for the time being.

>>635603

Evil and you should instead pursue a Christian lebanese woman

>>635869

Are lebanese Catholics alright? I know one who shares the same political views.

t. from protestant

>>635643

That sure will be easy to find in America. Friends got us in contact and shes neat so have fun pursuing them yourself. They are top qt though

>>636037

Why lol?

>>636037

honestly, I'd like to see my sister married to an Asian…half-Asian half-Italian kids are cute.

>>637479

I dated all races, and honestly I felt like wanting to be in a marriage only with non-white women. African, Asian, Levantine…only white women seemed not interested in being feminine.

>>615358

Your a man stop and tell her what she is.

>>637620

Honestly, that Mohammad Ali quote is extremely convincing and beautiful. I'm the white guy who met an Asian woman recently but there is this other white, Polish-American woman I just met who I really got along with. So…Well, Mr. Ali makes a very strong point, doesn't he? We're all of equal dignity, but we're just different. And yes, we can get along just fine, and love each other, as we are meant to under God. And you truly can do whatever you want, who cares? But when it comes to marriage and children, wouldn't you get along the most with your "own"? Sure, interracial marriages can work and all, but still. I always respected Ali, but even more so know for having the stones to say the unaccepted opinion. Asian girls are awesome but who could I relate to more than a white American girl, with similar family backgrounds (I have a slavic look to me)? Some white chick from Europe probably isn't going to relate to me the same the way a beautiful American girl would.

See, this is what I appreciate too. You shared a very level-headed clip that tried to convince its audience through beauty rather than telling us we're not allowed to, and I'm mighty darn convinced. Certainly going to consider it strongly moving forward…

>>637725

>You shared a very level-headed clip that tried to convince its audience through beauty rather than telling us we're not allowed to, and I'm mighty darn convinced. Certainly going to consider it strongly moving forward…

I'm glad it spoke to you. Behind most stric advice following conviction, there is some kind of beauty needing protection. It's unwise to dismiss advice because it's not presented delicately, which a lot of people do. You do have a point though, you can catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

>>637731

a little too lewd for a joke on /christian/ personally, video related.

>>637732

>Behind strict advice following conviction, there is some kind of beauty needing protection

Amen and amen, couldn't agree more. I've seen that clip before and it hit me then, but it just really spoke in an even greater way now. Yeah and don't worry, I don't dismiss advice if it is poorly delivered.

>>637620

Isn't that mostly with White Americans though? I don't know many Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, French, ect that have asian fetish.

>>637620

>Assuming you're white they could have been overcompensating

probably true; I do not want to marry outside my own people, but at the same time I am not that much of a catch: 6' 1", middle of the road face and body, brown hair and eyes.

Probably I am asking God for the wrong things, and He has answered me over and over, just for me to refusing to listen to Him.

>>637741

I'm going to need more proof of resentful hapas than dumb strawman meme pictures on the internet.

>>637740

Well…my uncle married a Chinese lady; ended up in divorce.

>>638322

There's that one video though that debunks that guy who basically runs /r/hapas. I still need to watch the video. I do not want to be mistaken (as I have in other threads, understandably) as a libcuck who wouldn't even weigh all the pros/cons to interracial marrying. I do not take it lightly, it is a big decision for sure.

>>638651

indeed…

also…link to the video? I'd like to see both sides on the topic.

>>638709

Trying to find it. It was in another thread. But yeah thats my aim too

>>638709

I actually found it but it got removed. Pfft. Gay. Theres lots of hapas on youtube calling out /r/hapas though

>>638731

I would love to know Filthy Frank’s opinions on the matter…