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>>611826

No, you're not the only one, first, or last. But I'd ask you to seriously consider studying Church history, and seeing where they point. The authority of Apostolic Succession, etc.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

The idea isn't to keep the others out of Heaven, the idea is to make sure you don't ride false hope into hell.

2 Corinthians 13:5

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

The sad fact is that there's many Christians-in-name that say that you're committing sin by declaring that Jesus Christ is in us.

>>611826

As a baptist I have hope that people from most if not all of the Christian denominations will be saved, but for many it would not be because their denom taught the right way.

>>611827

>"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

So the good intention of following Christ is the road to hell?

>>611835

The good intention of following Him, but doing so against the good advice and safety of the Church.

Κύριε ελέησον

We cannot point at people and tell them they are going to hell. That's not our decision and God has not promised to us that anyone in particular will go to hell. He has paved for us the road by which we can come to His kingdom. He has promised His Holy Spirit to the body of Christ, the church. He has not promised that His Spirit will be absent from all those outside the church.

If I go to the lengths of predestining someone else to hell, then in my heart I have murdered them and hell reigns in me. So if they are going to hell, where does that mean I will go? Me who makes hell manifest on earth? Lord have mercy.

>>611850

And note, the problem isn't with simply having misconceptions - there are a few Gothic Arian saints, and even a Nestorian saint and a Monophysite saint.

The problem is also with belonging to a group that has separated itself from the true Church. Their false doctrines become their signature, so to speak, and so to believe something heretical that is a dogma for another group is to align yourself with that group, and not with the Body of Christ.

>>611826

I think most will at least have better chances than non-religious or other religions for that matter.

All denominations though, well not sure about that as some denominations are certainly a bit more off kilter than others. Mormonism comes to mind even though they have some nice people.

>>611826

So, OP, does that mean that all Christian denominations have a degree of truth to them? Where do there truths stop? Where does the Catholic Church stop being right? Does it stop at, say “extra Ecclesiam nullus salus.”

>>611837

This is absurd. God's personal relationship with us and His word given to us through The Bible are far more important to our salvation than any earthly institution. I have deep appreciation for the history of the Catholic church and your many wise theologians, but the doctrine of no salvation outside the church just seems so pharisaical to me.

>>611886

Mormonism is hardly a denomination of Christianity. They even have their own texts

>>611902

>hardly a denomination of Christianity

You don't have to use "hardly," they're not Christian at all. Mormonism is a different religion.

>>611904

Its more like a sizable cult

>>611851

>Gothic Arian and monophysite saints

who?? I know Isaac of Nineveh might have been.

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I mean he might of been a 'nestorian'

That would be nice. But people will be led astray unless we are vigilant. Just gambling your eternal soul on platitudes is way too shaky.

>>611914

There's this one female saint, who was a Monophysite, I think she was a monastic, unfortunately I can't find her name anymore.

I believe St Martyr Sava the Goth was likely an Arian, and I was told there are a couple other Arian saints as well.

St Isaac of Nineveh was definitely a Nestorian if the texts found in 1983 that are attributed to him are actually his.

But having misconceptions about God is not what itself endangers salvation greatly. After all, I'm pretty sure we all have misconceptions about God, how could we not? However, being aligned with a sect that is in opposition to the Church puts one on the path to eternal damnation. So, somebody who was in the Church but rejects our anathema on Nestorianism, or somebody who belongs to the Church of the East today, or somebody who has analyzed the arguments for and against Nestorianism and has decided to join the Nestorian Church… is walking down the path of destruction.

>>611839

based orthos

<Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

I don't understand how this could possibly mean that non-Christians can go to Heaven. Can someone explain this to me, please?

If people who deny Christ–who came to die for our sins–are able to go to Heaven, does this lessen Christ's sacrifice? Please tell me why I am wrong.

>>611926

>St Martyr Sava the Goth was likely an Arian

Proof?

>St Isaac of Nineveh was definitely a Nestorian

I have read contrary account. Persian Church by this time was not Nesotrian

>>612101

>Proof?

He was a Gothic, at a time when all Gothics were Arians. He himself was baptized by a Gothic Arian, if I'm not mistaken.

>I have read contrary account. Persian Church by this time was not Nesotrian

<if the texts found in 1983 that are attributed to him are actually his.

>>611827

thanks mod for making sure we're all on the right path