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>please explain to me why castration is not more often encouraged to gays/pedophiles/sexual degenerates

Because they should be stoned

Brazilians truly are subhuman

>>608263

did i not directly quote Jesus? did i not explain myself clearly enough? hm?

>>608259

dumb superficial character attacks do nothing to rebuke me. im doing nothing but quotting Jesus here. every line i quoted from the bible came straight out of His mouth

also im canadian, but close

>>608253

yes, this is encouraged in the old testament. but Jesus ups the standards of the old testament with zero killing and zero sacrificing

not to mention if you havent had sex with anyone you're free of sin, but the urges are still there. castration is such a perfect solution to the urges

Jesus encourages you to chop it off if it causes you to sin

Are you the high libido retard from /r9k/? I already gave you good advice faggot, I know it feels uncontrollable right now but castration will only make things worse.

>>608267

>but castration will only make things worse

castration will remove all libido, lust and sexual urges from my life because the testicles produce 95% of the body's testosterone

sounds like it'll get better, not worse. you need to elaborate and give me evidence that it'll get worse for your claim to have any substance. not to mention Jesus approves of castration

>>608272

oh, quoting Jesus is a reportable offense in this board?

wow, feel free to report me more u disgusting human being. if you take offense to what Jesus said may i suggest going back to where you came from?

Have you tried cold showers morning and night?

>>608278

yeah i did. tried everything i possible could for multiple years, i just have a insanely high libido and i cant quit porn. ive been masturbating 3.5 times a day sicne i was 13, im 27

tried no fap for years, please dont tell me to try harder, trust me ive pushed myself to my utmost limit here

>>608279

>and get out.

why get out? you should be encouraging me to stay. Did i misquote Jesus?

>>608266

>Jesus ups the standards of the old testament with zero killing and zero sacrificing

No he doesn't. He supports the death penalty.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

>>608283

yeah cool, but i havent had sex with anyone, im a virgin

i just have a really high libido, and the passages i quoted from Jesus still stand

>>608284

aahhh… its shilling to read the bible and to directly word-for-word quote Jesus? wow, quite the standards you got there

>>608274

It will, but it could have negative side-effects. Not only physical side-effects (hyperpituitarism for example) but more importantly mental side-effects. If you are to assume healthy humans, in general, are created perfect, we should assume that changing ourselves so drastically will be detrimental. I'd suggest talking with your doctor before doing anything so excessive, if you're going to do surgery then there might be a less extreme form of treatment. Also, here's what I wrote on /r9k/, I stand by my advice:

>Besides the high-libido problem, do you suffer from any psychiatric disorders? For example, mood, anxiety, or eating disorders? I'm not an expert but it could be that its leading to your having high-libido as a side effect. If not, do you move a lot during the day? Do you sleep enough at night? All these can effect your libido too.

Then you reply:

>yes (I'm a mental fruits basket on (((mood stabilizers))) and going through (((therapy)))), yes (move around a lot thanks to wagie and wannabe /fit/izen), and no (>decade of insomnia).

Then I continue:

>Sorry OP, I meant to reply to you in that post too. Mood disorder (i.e. hormonal imbalance, which almost always affects your sex hormones) and insomnia could both be playing a large role in leading to your high libido. In my case it was anxiety disorder, I really don't know whether it was the antidepressants I took or a change in lifestyle or both, but my libido went down to normal or even less than normal levels thankfully. I'd recommend talking to your psychiatrist, as well as maybe your therapist about it, hopefully they can help.Also, don't expect any change in medication that helps keep your hormones in balance to be enough. You'll still have to try to remain disciplined. However, this is much better if your hormones are in check (for example, the times I break nofap are usually when I'm still awake at night doing shit instead of sleeping).

>>608289

i dont think i wrote that post you quoted, can you link the thread its in so i read it? i dont think thats me….

but to answer you post anyways,

>but it could have negative side-effects

yes, there are medical consequences of castration. the worst include increased instances of depression, increased chance of osteoperosis, and hot flushes become a thing

ive read extensively on all of the negative side effects and i dont think they're enough to dissuade me from going through with a castration. i think the side effects are minor and negligible

for me its much more important to stop sinning than to avoid suffering. who cares if ill be more depressed, i just want to stop my libido

>>608293

Sure brother:

>>>/r9k/225693

If you really want to make God happy, then exercise patience. I know it feels uncontrollable now, but wait until you've exhausted all other options. Talk with your doctor and psychiatrist about it, get expert opinions.

>>608295

i dont understand what's more Christian than reading the bible and quoting Jesus. telling me to kill myself just because you found the words of Jesus offensive doesnt do anything to rebuke me or to validate any argument against castration

>here is a quote from the Bible check mate

aaahh… so i shouldnt use the bible to backup my ideas? i should use non-biblical sources that contradict the words of Jesus?

> but wait until you've exhausted all other options

i already did bro ive been trying no fap for YEARS since 2013 actually, really hard too i just cant quit. and i already told my GP that i want to become a eunuch and dude was cool with it and told me i only need 1 more referral and we can go ahead and get me referred to a urologist for an orchiectomy

>>608235

Please explain to me why not everyone on earth should be castrated and devote their whole life to God. Do you think only pedophiles and gays sin? I don't even think heterosexuals sin any less than them.

>>608302

Matthew 19:11-12

11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Jesus said its not for everyone first of all

Ecclesiastes 12:13

13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man

its everyone's duty to love God and keep the commandments, it doesnt say anything about its everyone's duty to castrate themselves. only to those who can accept, let them accept

i want to live an ascetic life devoted to God. whats wrong with that?

>>608308

Indeed. It does seem like the treatment of eunuch in the passages OP is referencing means it is in the sense of not being lustrous towards women. And this is generally done through disciplining oneself, not surgery. Surgery should only be performed if it is for a medical need.

>>608308

>what does the Bible says

fail

>>608310

>lustrous

lustful*

>>608304

There's nothing wrong. It's just, the same would apply to gays and pedophiles. Castration won't help us from being a nonrepentant.

>>608308

>Don`t do it because your body is God`s temple.

ahhhh, so because its God's temple, we shouldnt ever mutilate ourselves?

what about circumcision? the old and new testament defend circumcision. is circumcision not "harming God's temple" as you say?

john 7:21-23

21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

>disciplining oneself, not surgery

it says "made themselves" in the oldest greek versions. if the 2nd type of eunuch in matthew 19:12 are castrated by men (usually for harem management purposes or to be a guard to the queen), then the third type of eunuchs are also castrated

not to mention that directly contradicts what Jesus said in matthew 5:29 and 18:8 and mark 9:43-47

and in the old testament God looks fondly over eunuchs

isaiah 56:3-5

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

>>608315

>Castration won't help us from being a nonrepentant.

castration removes all libido and sexual desire and stops sexual sin, which aids tremendously in the repentance process

>>608317

If the person wants to repent. If they don't and you force it upon them, they would just curse you and despise your belief. Therefore, the motivation for castration must be something that comes out of yourself, otherwise it's pointless.

>>608323

>quotting paul

i entirely reject everything paul said, please dont use it as an argument to rebuke me. Christ aproved of circumcision in john in the passage i quoted

i believe in following the law, and so does Jesus

>>608235

Don't do it. Mainly because castration doesn't prevent you from feeling sexual desire, it just prevents sperm production.

>>608330

>Mainly because castration doesn't prevent you from feeling sexual desire

this is objectively wrong and this question is already a medical question, not a theological one. castration stop all testicle testosterone production, and the testicles are responsible of 93-95% of the body's testosterone levels

please dont go around spouting this medically wrong garbage. castration = say byebye to all your sexual desire, lust and libido

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration#Medical_consequences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering#Health_and_behavioral_effects

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/12/castration_anxiety.html

http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/castration-effects

>>608331

>Because you can accomplish the same thing without chopping off your balls

hmmm… i think some people can, and i think its great if they can do it by sheep power of will alone. some people dont have a very powerful sex drive and arent inclined towards sexual sin, and if they dont need to chop their balls off to avoid sin, i dont see why they should.

same goes for men who want to get married and have children. i dont see the problem there

>You're conceiving castration as a means of shortcutting salvation rather than trying to change your behaviors.

you're interpreting my posts wrong. i explicitly stated in previous posts that ive tried time and time again thourhgout many years to quit porn and masturbation by sheer will alone but it just wasnt happening

then you go on to list advice, but the website www.yourbrainonporn.com lists much more thorough and higher quality advice and i read and tried all of it. i literally listened to gary wilson's podcast as it was coming out episode by episode years ago, and have gone through all of his and your suggestions

and still my libido will not stop. i think ill listen to Jesus instead of your non-biblical advice, thanks

>>608389

If you are willing to chop off your balls why not get married?

>>608304

Castration as a social policy forced on the unwilling is quite evil.

Self-castration out of a desire to wholly devote yourself to God is, in my opinion, quite admirable. Origen did it, although other church members said he was wrong to do so.

I think it's a particularly hard saying to bear, and that's why the church had to water it down by saying it was metaphor for celibacy which simply isn't in the text. This is where sola scriptora and church tradition depart. Normally, I'm fine with tradition but the text clearly says one thing and the church says it means another. Christ even said this was a hard teaching and, if you can't bear it, get your butt married and have kids.

Of course, that's hard for the church telling priests to be celibate because if you take Christ for what he says, that's the opposite of the teaching- if they won't cut it off, they need to get married and be responsible family men.

So, I'm not telling you not to cut off your junk. If you've got the stones (soon to be lacking thereof) to do it, and you're doing it for God, just do it carefully. It'll be a permanent reminder to devote everything you do for the work of God.

People saying the body is the temple are stretching an ambiguous teaching in the face of a very specific but hard teaching. You should definitely pray and fast a lot before you attempt this though. Make sure God is on board with your path of devotion.

>>608408

>Are you saying 13 books of the Bible are to be dismissed?

absolutely. how does the volume of the literature dictate its validity and legitimacy? if i made up all sorts of nonsense and made some gullible north korean tribe believe it, does that mean its right? what happens if i put in 100 books in the bible full off nonsense? does the volume of the literature reflect its authenticity?

>Well don't quote someone who rebukes my argument

paul does away with the law and i dont accept him as a genuine apostle. please quote Jesus directly to rebuke me

>Do you consider yourself "judeo-christian"

yes

>>608414

Either all scripture is valid or no scripture is valid, all the nonsense was put away by the same people who put the bible together. If you think the gospels are valid the Paul's epistles are valid as well.

>>608409

cause i dont want kids. why would u want to bring kids into this disgusting LGBT pedo-friendly promiscuous non-God-fearing world?

Christian values are thrown out the window and with the invention of the TV and the internet, porn and idolatry have become more common than ever

why would i want to bring children into a society more sick than sodom and gomorrah?

>>608413

i really appreciate this post. you're correct on your understanding of mainstream churches, ALL of them say that matthew 19:12 is "live like" eunuchs, and that its meant to be interpreted as a celibate lifestyle, and they ignore the rest of the passages i posted in the op

my point is that this teaching of Jesus should be preached to all homosexuals, pedos, and sexual degenerates as a great way to deal with sexual sin. most homos and pedos are so lost with God, but with Jesus's words they the ability to genuinely repent from all of their disgusting sexuality. this includes myself, of course

and off to the surgeons room we go~

>>608418

i understand this argument but i dont agree with it. paul was never one of Jesus's deciles, nor did he meet Jesus ever, during his ministry or outside of it

paul was a serial killer who enjoyed murdering Christians and preaching a gospel that contradicted Jesus's words

i understand if you want to follow his teachings because they are in your modern cannon, but i dont. feel free to lump me into whatever classification you want, but i believe in following the words of Jesus Christ ALONE

but this a argument about paul, its an argument about chopping my balls off

>>608419

>my point is that this teaching of Jesus should be preached to all homosexuals, pedos, and sexual degenerates as a great way to deal with sexual sin. most homos and pedos are so lost with God, but with Jesus's words they the ability to genuinely repent from all of their disgusting sexuality. this includes myself, of course

Ehhh… I was with you on the correct reading. This certainly shouldn't be preached to anyone not saved. To someone saved who wishes their lusts would just go away and don't want a wife so hard they're willing to cut off their junk, sure.

This isn't a method of avoiding perversion (pornea) this is the stones it takes for Jesus to be okay with you not getting married. Remember, this was a teaching to the disciples when they asked if it was okay to remain single - not a teaching in response to what should be done to perverts.

>>608419

>cause i dont want kids. why would u want to bring kids into this disgusting LGBT pedo-friendly promiscuous non-God-fearing world?

Again, while I'm with you on the reading, this is a bad attitude and not coming from God. We are made to be fruitful and multiply. The fact that people are fallen is not an excuse to not bring more people into the world- you're falling for atheistic, nihilistic over-population memes.

If you don't want kids because you think you'd be bad at it or that you can devote yourself to God more throughly in another way, chop your balls off.

But if you think having kids is a bad thing, you're not in tune with the holy spirit. Remember- Christ expects -everyone- to get married and have kids on the literal reading except those who have the stones to cut their stones off (or were born or made that way).

>>608426

>Remember, this was a teaching to the disciples when they asked if it was okay to remain single - not a teaching in response to what should be done to perverts.

i disagree. it was a teaching for ALL men, thats why Jesus said not all men can accept this

Matthew 19:11

11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

at the end of 19:12 he said "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

sounds like hes talking to the general population to me

and virtually all interpretations of this verse by virtually everyone disagree with you. they all say its for everyone, they just disagree with the third type of eunuch. most heretical churches say that the third type of eunuch is meant to be interpreted as a celibate chaste lifestyle, but they all agree this saying is meant for everyone

>>608432

cool, but i dont want kids.

matthew 19:9-10

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

Jesus's deciples say its better not to marry if you're going to get divorced. and in today's world theres so many promiscuous women, theres so much divorce and denied parenting visits, who am i to think im not going to be victim of such practices?

im super pessimistic about my chances of meeting someone i can love and marry and raise normal children with, and atleast in my case i think its better for me to chop me balls off and kobe them into the trash

>>608432

>>608426

*while arguing about matthew 19:12 with you and other people*

you = "no one has ever had the balls to chop his balls off because of this passa-"

*i unsheathe my katana and chop my balls off mid sentance*

*catches the balls in midair in slow motion and throws them directly in your face*

*raises fedora until my eyes are exposed*

"heh, nothing personnel, kiddo"

*turns around and walks away with blood violently gushing out of my scrotum*

*passes out from blood-loss and hemorrhage*

>>608435

>Jesus's deciples say its better not to marry if you're going to get divorced. and in today's world theres so many promiscuous women, theres so much divorce and denied parenting visits, who am i to think im not going to be victim of such practices?

No- this is wrong. Jesus disciples say why get married if you can't get divorced- i.e. they want an out. Jesus tells them what the only out is.

>im super pessimistic about my chances of meeting someone i can love and marry and raise normal children with, and atleast in my case i think its better for me to chop me balls off and kobe them into the trash

Have ye not hope? This is coming from a bad place. Trust in God, ask for a wife and children.

If you think you'll be a bad father, that's one thing. If you think you can do more good for God without distraction that's another, but chopping your balls off out of hopelessness is not a Christian undertaking.

>>608442

Origen already beat you to it by 1,800 years.

>>608253

>they should be stoned

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

>>608282

Have you tried lifting weights?

And then finally: have you tried praying to God for an equally-high-sex-drive wife? If not that then at least one willing to endure the pain?

>>608382

Are you sure? I also remember people on wizchan warning about castration. How in some cases, castration doesn't actually prevent the rise of lust, just prevents its outlet.

>>608504

>have you tried praying to God for an equally-high-sex-drive wife?

yeah, nah. in 2018 all we get is porn addicted internet burnouts incapable of basic human conversation, male or female, and i include myself in this. i dont think a relationship is for me, neither do i think kids are for me. im not getting divorce raped or having my girl cheat on me and then cry me a river, not dealing with all the modern marriage shenanigans

im a 27 virgin, u have any idea how cynical that makes you to reach such an old age as a virgin? im incapable of forming a relationship with a female, nor do i want to

>I also remember people on wizchan warning about castration

ay lmao we famous now. probably me over there talking about it

>castration doesn't actually prevent the rise of lust, just prevents its outlet

nah, castration is one of the most medically efficient and effective ways to get rid of the libido in existence. once the balls are gone so is virtually all of the sex drive, and fairly quickly too

i remember reading in some medical textbook that 3 hours post-op the t levels reach castrated levels. its quick too

>>608504

>Are you sure? I also remember people on wizchan warning about castration. How in some cases, castration doesn't actually prevent the rise of lust, just prevents its outlet.

I just read the wikipedia he cited, which is liberal if anything. Man, castration is more effective than I thought. Not to mention you get an average 10 more years of life if you're male.

If you really don't want a family, I could see how the effects would benefit you working towards a Godly life.

As for stopping lust… you'd have to force it. If you truly want to be rid of the lust, there'd be no biological drive to bring it back and you'd probably be fine in short order… however, if you were a perverted atheist and someone castrated you by force, I could see doing horrible thing to try to maintain the libido that drove you because you want to maintain the sin.

For the Christian, this would be a cure. For the atheist/pagan, it can't stop sin- because only Jesus can do that. The Christian has Jesus working on the heart while we work on the body as Jesus taught. The atheist will just end up a ball-less pervert.

>>608509

if you want a real thorough analysis of the ins-n-outs of castration i have these 2 books to recommend

Castration: The Advantages and the Disadvantages by victor cheney

and this dude's other book

The Sex Offenses and their Treatments: The Problem–The Solution

guy does in DEEP on each aspect of castration, from medical to how it stops libido, to its history (he wrote another book just for the history of castration), etc. like 300-500 pages of exiting ball-cutting action. the author's dead already, but when he was alive he referred to himself a "voice in the wilderness for castration" so to speak

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/castration-by-knife-may-be-the-kindest-cut-after-all-1251625.html

i have the searchable non-drm pdf of 2 of his books, but the best one (the adv and dis adv) theres not a ebook available. in his "sex offenses" book he does into detail about various types of sexual deviancy, but the real interesting parts are about how it stops libido and all sexual desire, thats the relevant medical information. his other book is better imo

id share them but im a paranoid near-schizophrenic mentally ill jew who unironically thinks the government is out to get me, and i dont know how to properly work a vpn because i havent actually done anything illegal on the internet

now i have a detailed picture of every single page of his book thats not available in pdf (the adv and disadv), but abby 12 isnt perfect at translating it because i took low quality pictures. i need to retake and re-up the pictures and try again, but alas im a lazy jew who procrastinates

>>608522

You're a jew? Are you a messanic one?

>>608567

my blood is ashkenazi jewish and my religion messianic judaism and i accepts Jesus, but my religion is subject to change at anytime

i still havent done a near to close thorough investigation of gnostic biblical literature or the dead sea scrolls or have even looked into older religions, which i absolutely plan to do once i get me nuts chopped off

eunuchs are actually very positively looked on from practically all religions, including the modern bible

this book talks about the long history of castration, and id love to share the pdf of this and the earlier mentioned book but im a delusional paranoid jew

https://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Castration-Second/dp/1420897209

>>608235

i feel like you're really hurting, i'll pray for you.

i don't think that castration is the answer, your hormones control more than just your sex drive, so your experience might be similar to a woman's menopause without them. you'd lose body hair, bone density, and possibly have feminizing fat redistribution (growing breasts and larger hips).

Remember, your sin doesn't make you unlovable to the Lord, so long as you try to repent and ask him for guidance in this.

Romans 5:8 God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Ephesians 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, evenwhen we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

>>608235

also, have you talked to a Priest about this?

>>608577

the only religious leader i need is Jesus Christ. i dont need some cucked capitulating smiling sanitized "religious figure" to interpret the bible for me, thanks

>>608578

well, even if it's not a Priest, i think it's probably valid to get a second opinion from someone who has dedicated their life to worship and education about God before permanently altering your body…

8chan shouldn't be a major deciding factor in this

>>608581

>i think it's probably valid to get a second opinion from someone who has dedicated their life to worship and education about God

i just wrote a long argument against this but honestly its best summarized with "yeah nah i disagree they're all cucks"

>8chan shouldn't be a major deciding factor in this

8ch and other anonymous sites are rawer and more holy than any physical church building in the western hemisphere, i tell you that much

>>608572

>my religion is subject to change at anytime

Then you aren't a Christian. To be a Christian, you have to accept Christ as being true. Christ says he is the truth.

If you accept Christ is the truth, there is absolutely no empirical evidence which could change your mind. If you do not accept Christ is the truth, you aren't Christian. Simple as that.

That isn't to say Christian thought is static. I am constantly learning greater depth and breadth of love. I am constantly better understanding the scriptures and attempting to understand how Christ's truth is revealed to me through my own empiric observations.

However, Christ is my truth. I believe in science and that it cannot contradict Christ. Although I would always assume someone who showed such a contradiction was tricking me, if I could not find the trick, I would still choose to believe in the truth that is Jesus.

This is what it means to be Christian at the most fundamental level. So, if you're religion is subject to change, you never really believed.

>>608590

I wasn't trying to change your opinion. Just pointing out that, whatever you are, it isn't Christian.

>>608235

Is your junk actually causing you to sin? Or are your passions causing you to sin, and your junk just enables you to pleasure yourself?

Certainly the latter. In which case, you cannot justify castrating yourself by what the Lord said. It won't stop the sin, it'll just torment you in addition to it. The passions are not merely in the body, but also in the soul and the nous. The only way to overcome the passions is by ascesis, almsgiving, prayer, meditation on the Lord, hesychasm, incessant prayer, and ultimately theosis.

You cannot kill the problems of the soul by cutting off your dick.

>>608718

forgot to add repentance to that list

>>608740

>cutting off ones own manlihood should make any man sick to their stomach

hey, some of us are more squeamish than others. as marlo from the wire once said "it dont mind me no nevermind"

>metaphorical usage in the Bible

ahhh, Jesus's direct plain words that are not metaphorical or parabolic in the slightest are too confusing for you? its not like im making this stuff up out of thin air, all of this is Jesus speaking

>Circumcision and self-castration are two very different things

yes, but they're both mutilation and they both contradict the words of paul, which you felt inclined to quote in your picture. Jesus defends circumcision in on john 7:21-23 yet paul tries to do away with circumcision. you do you bud, but im not following the words of some serial killer who never met Jesus

>There is no way the passages you gave are meant to be taken literally, I refuse to believe that

coping with denial, self-delusion and practicing mental contortionism to see the bible the way you want to see it doesnt change reality. putting your head in the sand doesnt change anything

>but unless it really is a medical issue for you

it is a medial issue, its called gender disphoria. my current gender is male and i want to be a eunuch, which is a medically regodnized gender caoording to WPATH SOC 7 page 96

>you'll just have to struggle with it and keep patience for now

is that so? you think i HAVE to keep struggling? i think i can do whatever i so please, including not struggling against my urges by cutting my balls off

>That will elevate you in the eyes of God far more than taking the easy way out would

ahh, so not following the words of Jesus because they offend some people will improve God's esteem of me? i disagree

bud, you dont quote scripture to rebuke me. all you do is make noise and run around with your arms flailing around being Jesus's direct words offend you. m8, may i suggest go read some harry potter or listen to some ASMR if the bible offends you? maybe something relaxing and easy on the eyes and ears for someone like you, because the bible seems too much to bear

>>608747

call me all the names you want m8, but all the passages from Jesus i quoted are in DIRECT context. in matthew 18:6-8 Jesus was talking about kids and how if anyone offends them its better he have a millstone hang around his neck and thrown in the ocean

a lot of people interpret this passage as talking about pedophelia, and immediately after in 18:8-9 Jesus talks about chopping off body parts if they make you sin

same thing goes in matthew 19. in matthew 19:6-10 they were talking about women and how if you remarry a divorced used up roastie its sinning, and then in the context of talking about marriage, Jesus then hits you with 19:12 and tells you that you can become a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven

all of these passages are directly contextually relevant

i understand if i offend you, but please note this is Jesus talking, not me. dont get mad at me, im just reading what Jesus said

>defends circumcision

as did Jesus

>doesn't like Paul to the point of not listening to him

you got me there. i dont listen to a man who contradicts Jesus every time he opens his mouth, was a serial killer and who never met Jesus. guilty as charged

>>608272

>that pic

too many layers of ironic truth to digest

OP, talk to your doctor. Ask him about your hypersexuality. Tell him that you want to be castrated. He'll refer you to a psychiatrist. You don't need to resort to actual surgery. I've heard that there are pills you can take that will decrease your sexual desire and make it impossible for you to masturbate.

There was a heretic who castrated himself. Some of the Church Fathers addressed the issue of castration at the time and if I remember correctly rejected it as ungodly but I don't remember their reasoning. Castration has been the mark of many heretical sects over the years. I believe the Catechism of the Catholic Church addresses it as well.

>>608749

> i dont listen to a man who contradicts Jesus every time he opens his mouth, was a serial killer and who never met Jesus.

2edgy4me

>>608744

I'm trying to help you and you just fucking make fun of me, in fact you do that with most Anons in this thread. You know what I meant, of course you can do whatever you please, I can't physically stop you and wouldn't if I could. Just understand it won't affect any of us whatsoever if you cut your nutsack off, you can face the consequences of your own actions if you're so convinced of them. I pray things turn out alright for you man.

The Law of Moses clearly prohibits castration.

Deuteronomy 23:1

>No man who has been castrated or whose penis has been cut off may be included among the Lord's people.

You would be removed from the camp of the Israelites and stoned to death if you castrated yourself under the Law

Leviticus 21:18

>For no one who has a defect shall approach [the Tabernacle]: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb…

No one with a missing member was allowed to even approach the dwelling place of God under the Law.

Leviticus 22:22

>Those that are blind or fractured or maimed or having a running sore or eczema or scabs, you shall not offer to the LORD, nor make of them an offering by fire on the altar to the LORD.

No one with a missing member was allowed to serve in the Priesthood under the Law.

Bodily mutilation with the exception of circumcision (which is not castration, and it is a false equivalence to conflate them) is strictly prohibited by the Law of Moses. Self-mutilation as a religious practice is a pagan practice forbidden by the Law.

1 Kings 18:28-29

>And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their custom with swords and lances, until the blood gushed out upon them. And as midday passed, they raved on until the time of the offering of the oblation, but there was no voice. No one answered; no one paid attention.

Leviticus 19:28

>You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 14:1

>You are the sons of the Lord your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead.

Self-mutilation is a symptom of demonic influence.

Mark 5:2-5

>And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3065.htm#article1

Question 65. Other injuries committed on the person

Article 1. Whether in some cases it may be lawful to maim anyone?

Objection 3. Further, the welfare of the soul is to be preferred to the welfare of the body. Now it is not lawful for a man to maim himself for the sake of the soul's welfare: since the council of Nicea [P. I, sect. 4, can. i] punished those who castrated themselves that they might preserve chastity. Therefore it is not lawful for any other reason to maim a person.

I answer that, Since a member is part of the whole human body, it is for the sake of the whole, as the imperfect for the perfect. Hence a member of the human body is to be disposed of according as it is expedient for the body. Now a member of the human body is of itself useful to the good of the whole body, yet, accidentally it may happen to be hurtful, as when a decayed member is a source of corruption to the whole body. Accordingly so long as a member is healthy and retains its natural disposition, it cannot be cut off without injury to the whole body. But as the whole of man is directed as to his end to the whole of the community of which he is a part, as stated above (II-II:61:1; II-II:64:5), it may happen that although the removal of a member may be detrimental to the whole body, it may nevertheless be directed to the good of the community, in so far as it is applied to a person as a punishment for the purpose of restraining sin. Hence just as by public authority a person is lawfully deprived of life altogether on account of certain more heinous sins, so is he deprived of a member on account of certain lesser sins. But this is not lawful for a private individual, even with the consent of the owner of the member, because this would involve an injury to the community, to whom the man and all his parts belong. If, however, the member be decayed and therefore a source of corruption to the whole body, then it is lawful with the consent of the owner of the member, to cut away the member for the welfare of the whole body, since each one is entrusted with the care of his own welfare. The same applies if it be done with the consent of the person whose business it is to care for the welfare of the person who has a decayed member: otherwise it is altogether unlawful to maim anyone.

Reply to Objection 3. A member should not be removed for the sake of the bodily health of the whole, unless otherwise nothing can be done to further the good of the whole. Now it is always possible to further one's spiritual welfare otherwise than by cutting off a member, because sin is always subject to the will: and consequently in no case is it allowable to maim oneself, even to avoid any sin whatever. Hence Chrysostom, in his exposition on Matthew 19:12 (Hom. lxii in Matth.), "There are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven," says: "Not by maiming themselves, but by destroying evil thoughts, for a man is accursed who maims himself, since they are murderers who do such things." And further on he says: "Nor is lust tamed thereby, on the contrary it becomes more importunate, for the seed springs in us from other sources, and chiefly from an incontinent purpose and a careless mind: and temptation is curbed not so much by cutting off a member as by curbing one's thoughts."

Dogmatic thinking is a deception by wicked spirits posing under the guise of conventional religion.

>>608755

I looked it up and the guy I was thinking of is Origen. But the allegations about him castrating himself are just vague accusations. If he did it, which I don't think he did, I doubt that he did it on the basis of anything in the Bible, given his ideas regarding nonliteral Biblical exegesis. He certainly wouldn't have just assumed that Jesus was speaking literally in your quotations.

Deliberate castration among the clergy has been forbidden in the Church since the First Council of Nicea (AD 325), the council that gave us the Nicean Creed. A member of the ministry castrating himself is enough to get him defrocked. You'd be hard pressed to find a denomination that rejects the First Council of Nicea.

The earlier Church Fathers addressed the issue of castration and other forms of sterilization in great detail. But if you reject even Paul there's no point looking those up.

>>608764

this is a fantastic post because its the only post in this thread that actually rebukes me scripturally, the rest is just noise

with deuteronomy 23:1, the key phrase here is "congregation of the Lord", which is 6951. qahal in strong's accordance

now various people try to interpret the passage, and the formal definition here is "assembly, convocation, congregation"

ive seen people say it means that this passage means they may not enter into marriage. ive seen that any assembly of men they cannot enter, ive seen people say it means any sort of political power, such as ruler or judges. ive seen people say it means army. personally i dont know

another super interesting interpretation from super racist people is it means heaven, but they intend it for verse 2 for mixed race people, but i do think this is wrong.

whats also interesting is the word for church or holy congregation of God i do believe is NOT the same word used here, they are not discriminated against in church for worship

>You would be removed from the camp of the Israelites and stoned to death if you castrated yourself under the Law

it says nothing about killing eunuchs, this is factually incorrect. but as for the camp its correct. once again im not entirely sure what "assembly of the lord" here means, but this is correct. there was many eunuchs at the time, they didnt just kill people for being eunuchs. eunuchs were common at the time

>leviticus 21:20

this is just talking about how eunuchs are not allowed to make sacrifice offerings. sounds good to me

>No one with a missing member was allowed to even approach the dwelling place of God under the Law.

thats not what the scripture said. it people with damaged testicles are not allowed to offer sacrificies

22He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’ ”

so i simply cant approach the altar. thats fine with me. i dont see any words suggesting stoning eunuchs

>leviticus 22:22

this particular verse is talking about the animal being sacrificed, not the human being doing the sacrifices. its talking about how no castrated or blind or odd animal should be placed on the altar for the sacrifice. its not talking about humans

>No one with a missing member was allowed to serve in the Priesthood under the Law.

wrong, no eunuchs are allowed to offer sacrifices on the altar, thats all the law said.

1 Kings 18:28-29

this is not talking about castration, its just talking about stabbing themselves when they were screaming. not castration.

Leviticus 19:28

this is once again not talking about castration specifically, its talking about cutting for the dead, whatever that means. if its not castration specifically its irrelevant

Deuteronomy 14:1

by this logic circumcision wouldn't be allowed either, but its talking about cutting hair for bald people or some weird customs like that, not castration specifically

Mark 5:2-5

this is also not talking about dude castrating himself, just cutting himself in general.

the only part of this list that bothers me "congregation of the lord". that much i dont know what it means, but i dont believe this is enough to stop me. I mean in the old testament sacrifices were a thing, but Jesus came to put a stop to that

also its believed by some people that daniel was a eunuch, amongst other people and prophets in the bible. its not like God hates them or anything. isaiah 56:3-5

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/what-is-a-eunuch.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/Daniel-eunuch.html

https://goodquestionblog.com/2014/05/28/were-daniel-and-his-friends-eunuchs/

either way you made the best post in this thread i think. theres other parts in the bible to explore, mostly in the old testament and apocrypha that wasnt included in the modern cannon that deal with eunuchs in some way, but the biggest problem by FAR is deuteronomy 23:1. otherwise the rest of the examples are fairly weak

>>608766

cool, but i dont care what the coulcil of cucks or whatever powerful church have to say, i care what the scripture says and maybe their interpretation of specific verses. modern powerful churches have all kinds of odd traditions that arent biblical that they all condone and dont question

>>608779

> If he did it, which I don't think he did

most scholars do think he did. i heard he did this early in his life, when he was like 18-19, due to reading passages like matthew 19:12. im pretty sure even various prominent early church writers commented about him castrating himself

>But if you reject even Paul there's no point looking those up.

yes exactly, i dont care what the early church fathers or paul said, so it literally doesnt matter

even if they say stuff i like i still dont listen to it. like paul for example time and time again says all this stuff about how women should be silent in church. at first i loved listening to that part of his writings, until i saw that that stuff isnt what Jesus said nor what the old testament said

i entirely reject paul and whatever council of whatever have to say

>>608763

im not trying to "get help" im trying to be rebuked scripturally. i dont care what you think or have to say, i care only FOR GOD AND GOD ALONE

I did some research and there doesn't seem to be anything against pedophilia in the Bible.

>>609299

i quoted Jesus directly 4 times in the opening post and filth like this still have the nerve to silence and ban me because they find me offensive

if you find me offensive you find Jesus offensive. i did NOTHING but quote Jesus

like im not even quoting paul or a disciple or the old testament or some other religious work

im DIRECTLY quoting Jesus here. calling someone a false Christian just because they dont share the same theological views as you and because you find them offensive is SO disingenuous and such a disgusting practice to silence free speech

did i misquote Jesus?

>>608456

No one should be punished for their crimes then I guess

>>609960

The problem is, you're misinterpreting Jesus to take His words literally, words that were obviously meant as metaphor, in order to justify an abominable sin, while denying those other parts of Scripture that condemn your desire.

Literally tripping does not cause one to go to Hell, does it? If it did, then you could take a literal approach to those verses. But it doesn't. Sin is spiritually stumbling, not physically stumbling. Jesus is speaking of spiritual things in those passages, and merely using physical metaphors. You need to cut out your sexual desire, not your physical bodyparts. That is the lesson Jesus imparted. Christ spoke of spiritual things, and you speak of physical things. You have reduced and diminished His words.

Your interpretation is a corruption of Jesus' words that runs counter to the tenor and Spirit of Scripture in those passages and elsewhere in the Bible. That is offensive. You're here teaching a strange doctrine that is contrary to the Gospel, foreign to Christianity, and not of God.

>>610083

>The problem is, you're misinterpreting Jesus to take His words literally

he doesnt make any indication that these sayings are parables

the 3 types of eunuchs in matthew 19:12 are so BLATANTLY literal its impossible to argue that the third type of eunuch is a "chaste lifestyle" eunuch, atleast in my opinion. the other verses i quoted in the op support Jesus's inclination to suggest chopping off ur balls. if the first 2 types of eunuchs are castrated, then so is the third one

this is already a hermeneutical argument and i simply disagree

>That is offensive

cry harder. i dont care if my interpretation of Jesus's words offends you. UGH such disgusting filth telling me they are offended by my interpretation of scripture

>>609091

i have no direct argument, i need to spend time reading and researching this post. fantastic post btw

>>610089

>he doesnt make any indication that these sayings are parables

Using "stumbling" as a physicalizing metaphor for sin is a clear indication that He is speaking metaphorically. Tripping on a loose shoelace on your way to the store will not cast you into Hell.

>>609961

Not what I said and not what Scripture teaches.

"The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." - Matthew 19:3-12

When Jesus said that whoever put away his wife and marry another except for fornication commits adultery, the disciples reasoned that in this way it would be better if they did not marry, Jesus says, clarifying that not all had the ability to abstain from marriage, that some men were made an "eunuch", meaning celibate for the Kingdom of God's sake. No apostle castrated themselves because they clearly understood what he meant.

Paul is and example of apostle who did made himself eunuch for the kingdom of God:

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."

Paul corroborates what Jesus meant.

You say castrating yourself would remove the sins from your life, you don't know what you say, some transvestites castrate themselves yet not one sin is removed.

I empathize with you, weary soul. Do this thing: Forget the tradition you hold and pray for 30 minutes to God to show you who Jesus Christ is. You think of castrating yourself from such a desperation, can you do this simple thing with the same eagerness? This will save you.

>>610105

the greek work used in the original greek is strong's 4624. skandalizó or σκανδαλίσῃ

http://biblehub.com/greek/4624.htm

skandalizó: to put a snare (in the way), hence to cause to stumble, to give offense

Original Word: σκανδαλίζω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: skandalizó

Phonetic Spelling: (skan-dal-id'-zo)

Short Definition: I cause to stumble

Definition: I cause to stumble, cause to sin, cause to become indignant, shock, offend.

your semantic argument is weak. if your opinion hasnt changed thats fine, but neither had mine. by your logic the entire bible can be interpreted metaphorically. thats fine if u look at the bible like that, but i look at it literally

i have to stop posting this is taking up too much time

>>610112

>you don't know what you say, some transvestites castrate themselves yet not one sin is removed

trannies do it so they can be girls and put on make up and dresses. they are abominations. i dont want to dress up like some fag i want to quit sin, and chopping me balls off gets rid of all lust

>>608235

Let's be honest OP - what are the odds that your mom will let you get castraded anyway?

This thread is a waste of time.

Fix your diet

Fix your sleep schedule

Go to church

>>610116

You don't even have to castrate yourself. There are alternatives. You can also achieve the same thing as as castration with some kind of chastity device. Certainly don't perform self-surgery. You can die from that. Tell your doctor that you're suffering from hypersexuality and planning to castrate yourself to escape your compulsive masturbation. There are medical treatments for both. Your doctor will likely refer you to a psychiatrist who will prescribe you libido dampening drugs or more likely an antipsychotic medication that will totally remove your sex drive and ability to achieve erection as well as your urge to castrate yourself. Two birds with one stone! You won't have to worry about lust anymore, and you'll realize what a bad idea harming yourself is. I hear drugs sometimes have side effects, but they're much preferable to surgery. Talk to your doctor. Please don't cut yourself.

Please, do cut your balls off.

>>609960

>like im not even quoting paul or a disciple or the old testament or some other religious work

Exactly. The fact that you don't believe in the Bible and think there's something wrong with Paul makes you a non-Christian. Repent.

>>610390

Self-mutilation is one of the gravest sins.

>The fact that you don't believe in the Bible and think there's something wrong with Paul makes you a non-Christian.

How is anti-Paulianism not a bannable offense by now? It goes against the Nicene creed, which last I checked is supposed to be how the mods decide who to ban.

>>610427

>How is anti-Paulianism not a bannable offense by now? It goes against the Nicene creed, which last I checked is supposed to be how the mods decide who to ban.

This.

>>608718

>>610116

I'm just going to assume you ignored me deliberately. Does it upset you that I say your problem is a problem of the soul and not a problem of the gonads?

Of course, if your nuts actually caused you to sin, you should cut them off. Be willing to sacrifice anything and everything for Christ's sake. But your nuts do not cause you to sin. Not easy for me to say, since I frequently jack it. It'd be convenient to blame it all on the balls. But our Lord had balls and they did not cause Him to sin.

>>610427

>It goes against the Nicene creed

In what way? Paul isn't mentioned in the creed.

>>610475

Have a little sympathy. Hypersexuality, compulsive masturbation, and self-injury are symptoms of childhood sexual abuse. OP is an Ashkenazi Jew, so his chances of having been hurt as a child are very high. I don't think he's trolling, just disturbed and demonically obsessed.