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>>605447

How nice for you that you've found a way to feel superior.

>>605450

>in church

>see people I know do horrible sins

How do I start being a Publican instead of a Pharisee? In reference to the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee. The Pharisee stood in the temple and judged others for their sins, while the Publican humbled himself before God and focused on his own sins. The Publican was justified by God, but the Pharisee wasn’t

>>605460

>”hey, I have a problem with feeling superior”

<“wow, you sound like you feel superior”

You’ve done it, you’ve managed to simultaneously completely understand me while at the same time offer no help!

Well I suppose those are their sins which they ought to be dealing with, and you have your own too. Though to be fair I think it’s disrespectful for those women to be wearing yoga pants in church.

>>605465

You can feel disdain for sin while humbling yourself, you know. It's perfectly healthy as long as you don't start getting haughty.

You should forgive them as you expect God to forgive you. Remember that you too have many sins, not the least of which is spiritual pride (which is the worst form of pride). Whereas humility is the fountain of all virtues.

Ask yourself if you have contributed to their sins. Are you an example to follow? Have you loved them? Have you forgiven them? Do you love God? Do you follow His commandments?

The more you ponder your own shortcomings the more humble you'll become.

>>605467

>Disrespectful for those women to be wearing yoga pants in church

These women should be taken aside and gently explained why this is a problem (by the pastor, deacons, or their wives). An offer to purchase a few skirts each would be extra charitable. Odds are they've never really had modesty thundered from the pulpit and are just modelling the vice of (((the world))).

For all the flack "hard preaching" gets on this board, it's a breath of fresh air compared to the milquetoast ear-tickling coming out of a lot of churches.

You can judge. But it's always better not to do it because you may be blind to your own faults.

I think that there's a verse in the bible about reprehending a brother, in private.

>>605447

>see girl I know has a restraining order on her because she wouldn’t stop chasing a guys dick

I'm interested in hearing the context for this. Is she a stalker or something?

>>605473

I once did the research and wore historically accurate 1st century Judean garb to church. Everyone thought I was cosplaying as a Jedi.

>>605471

This is the correct answer.

>>605532

Are those robes just sort of swaddled around your whole body, or is there a trouser type thing worn underneath?

If a person were to run in such an outfit, would they be showing a lot of leg out of a slit or something? Could you run in that thing?

Did you wear the hat too?

>>605532

Kenobi?

>>605535

There are very loose fitting pants underneath, similar to modern Indian pajama pants. It's extremely comfortable and very easy to move freely. The "hat" is a turban and, yes, I wore it too. I also have a large beard naturally, so there's that.

>>605536

It was curiosity, mostly. For hundreds of years that's what men wore to church/temple. It's what Jesus probably wore in his time on earth. I see no reason not to dress like that daily.

>>605447

Focus on your own sins first and foremost. I'm no saint, but I generally find it hard to judge people I believe to be trying to walk with Christ when I think about myself. I am the one that feels like a fraud in church. I feel utterly worthless. Which probably has its own problems. But I'm so consumed with trying to be a better Christian that I find it hard to see other faults especially when sitting next to those people are usually other people who are so much holier than I am. If you're going to compare yourself to other people, compare yourself to all the other people in church. Including the ones whose holiness reveals your own shortcomings. Of course, not comparing yourself at all would be preferable.

That being said, you're right to judge those that aren't trying. Wearing tight tops and yoga pants to church may be a sign of a greater problem and if this sodomite has long since justified his sodomitical actions and makes no attempt to conform to Christ, it's not wrong to bring him up on it.

I don't believe in judging the people themselves, but wrong ideas need to be judged. Because false doctrine poisons the church.

>>605473

>For all the flack "hard preaching" gets on this board, it's a breath of fresh air compared to the milquetoast ear-tickling coming out of a lot of churches.

I think that's the moment I realised I had become Christian. When I started to find the "fire and brimstone" sermons the most comfortable. Everyone thinks they want to never be challenged and to be coddled, but the gospel in its fullness (including our sinful nature) is what we crave.

>>605473

>>605548

My grandfather was a fire and brimstone Baptist preacher in the 1930s-1960s and he wrote down every one of his sermons before he died. You've just reminded me to find that booklet and try to start posting them here.

>>605496

*Insert fedora meme*

>>605548

That's the new man, brother, created in righteousness and true holiness, and renewed in knowledge of Him that created us. May we all be filled with a double portion of grace and gracefulness, so we can pull stragglers like the ones in the OP ever upwards.

>>605551

My dude. Even scans would be absolutely wonderful.

>>605552

*im 16 the post*

>>605551

You definitely should. I'm no longer a Baptist, but I can appreciate some good old fashioned fire and brimstone preaching. We need to be reminded of our sin and filth if we are to become perfect like the Father is perfect.

>>605544

>>605540

Where can I buy garbs like this? Did you have to make it yourself?

>>605551

Please do.

Yoga pants should be banned from Church. Seriously.

>>605658

>Yoga pants should be banned. Seriously.

ftfy

>>605658

>>605659

What's the problem with yoga pants?

I agree they're too laid back for church, but why would you want them banned completely?

>>605660

It shows a female's buttocks. I shouldn't have to explain why that's bad if you're a christian. Also, trousers overall shouldn't be worn by women and especially not tight ones.

>>605662

So your problem is that it's too form-fitting?

How depraved are you?

>>605664

1/10 because you've made me reply. Now begone satan.

>>605665

No, seriously.

If you are tempted by something as innocent as clothes not being loose, I can't imagine what you must go through in your daily life, but be aware that the problem is with you.

Clothes that show off skin are a problem though, it's basically public nudity in some instances.

>>605666

So, is the problem with me when there's a 20 year old girl wearing yoga pants in front me?

Or did I cause mine own eye to sin? Or, are you telling me that putting others into situations of sin, is not inherently sinful? Even in a Church of God?

Think carefully.

>>605451

Wasn't St. Paul killing Christians just because it was his job though? Did he hold any personal sentiments towards them?

>>605675

He was a judaist. And like all Judaists he loathed christians immensely.

>>605644

They're called kobe, you can find them online pretty easily

>>605666

You're trying to justify immodesty and temping others into sin, all by accusing a Christian of lustfulness for wanting modesty. Why do you support and defend public sin while accusing a Christian of private sin?

>>605666

>innocent as clothes not being loose

>Clothes that show off skin

Nah man, yoga pants are literally a tool of the devil, because it displays the shape of the lower body if not the skin itself. If a woman wore body paint instead of pants I'd pass the same judgement.

>>605915

>wearing clothes that aren't loose is immodesty

Why are you tempted into sin so easily? Are you one of those so-called reprobates? Come on, now.

>>605918

And the shape of the human body makes you sin? How?

The difference between body paint and yoga pants is that one is clothing, the other is not…

>>605922

>makes

I'm 100% guilty of sins I commit.

God wasn't making a mistake when he created beautiful skin and beautiful body shapes. But God's command is to show modesty.

Yoga pants are immodest. do you deny this?

>>605447

If you don't accept the validity of sola fide, it's going to be hard for you.

You need to understand that in God's sight, you are no better than the people you are judging. You are being judged by God as well, and you have to realise that it is your pride that makes you think you are better than other sinners. And God especially hates the proud, probably more than he hates yoga pants. Maybe some of the people who go to church are fall beneath your standard, but you fall far behind God's standard as well.

>>605495

how autistic do you have to be

>>605922

You're defending the practice of sin as well as accusing Christians of sin and reprobation.

>this thot defending yoga pants itt

thot begone

>>605765

All I can find are basketball jerseys

>>605922

>Why are you tempted into sin so easily? Are you one of those so-called reprobates? Come on, now.

1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee from sexual immorality.

It might be a sin to not flee from that sort of sin. Don't advise others to tempt themselves; it's not Christian

>>606325

I'm retarded, their called Thobes. I was phoneposting

>>605927

Yoga pants are immodest, and so are cargo shorts, and neither should be worn at church.

I don't see why they should be banned from society though.

>>606326

Are you saying that wearing form-fitting clothes is sexual immorality now??

If you're disturbed by yoga pants for whatever bizarre reason, then don't look at them. The way to defeat temptations is to defeat them with prayer, not to remove from the world what tempts you.

I like cakes a lot, and I must face the sin of gluttony and destroy it from within myself. I don't call for the removal of cakes from society because I personally feel temptations because of them.

>>606385

In my country it's legal for women to go topless in public. Do you support that law?

>>606385

Why do liberals always reduce everything to individual matters, especially using the accusatoty "you"?

You realize that there are things that exist outside of your own ego, right? Are you incapable of entertaining thoughts of conglomeratations of people when discussing social issues?

A society where people go naked in public is not a moral society and will tend to produce poor spiritual outcomes for more people in that society than if dress were modest. That should go without saying. It's obvious. A community has the obligation to determine its own standards of modest dress and to enforce those standards through informal censure as well as law. By refusing these realities and reducing everything to personal accusations, you flee from truth.

It seems to me that it the motivation behind your defending the sin of immodesty is that you want others to fall into the sin of lust. You seek to place stumbling blocks in front of others, and a good many others apparently. That spirit is not of Christ.

>>606385

>Are you saying that wearing form-fitting clothes is sexual immorality now?

It entirely depends on why the person has chosen form-fitting clothing, doesn't it, since God knows the heart and the heart is where we sin, not by some legalistic standard.

1 Corinthians 8:13

-Therefore, if food causes my brother or sister to fall, I will never again eat meat, so that I won't cause my brother or sister to fall.

Paul would give up eating meat to save a brother or sister but you won't suggest a little modesty counseling?

>The way to defeat temptations is to defeat them with prayer, not to remove from the world what tempts you.

>Flee from sexual immorality

These two lesson don't quite match and I'm going to go with Saint Paul's

It's not that I don't see your point; sometimes we are forced into places with sin. So, my suggestion is brothers and sisters eschew the places that tempt them.

This isn't a discussion about being tempted at a bar or in public, this is temptation coming into the church. We should all be highly carefully to help each other not to sin in a church setting. While do you have so little car for your weaker brother or sister? The spirit you're exhibiting doesn't seem much like the one I see in Saint Paul or in our savior, just pointing that out.

>>606385

> Are you saying that wearing form-fitting clothes is sexual immorality now??

Showing off the female form in that way in public is sinful. Women shouldn’t wear tight clothes, full stop.

> If you're disturbed by yoga pants for whatever bizarre reason, then don't look at them. The way to defeat temptations is to defeat them with prayer, not to remove from the world what tempts you

Let’s legalise crystal meth then. If anyone uses crystal meth, then the blame lies solely with them, and not with the legal drug dealer. Right…..

> I like cakes a lot, and I must face the sin of gluttony and destroy it from within myself. I don't call for the removal of cakes from society because I personally feel temptations because of them.

Cakes aren’t inherently sinful, wearing clothes that reveal too much in public is.

>>606411

>Let’s legalise crystal meth then. If anyone uses crystal meth, then the blame lies solely with them, and not with the legal drug dealer. Right…..

Unrelated to the point you were making but important thought on the policy of banning vice- after years of studying prohibition I found the following:

-Prohibition was -successful- if you look at USA cirrhosis of the liver deaths- went down by half. Drinking, even illegally went down drastically.

-This shows banning the use of a substance has a positive effect

-Prohibition was bad if you consider the huge uptick in organized crime (mob, etc.)

-This shows that banning production/sale of a substance has a negative effect.

-Prostitution laws in Sweden making it illegal to purchase a prostitute but not to sell your body have been slightly successful at lowering the amount of women prostituting themselves (since there's a legal way out) and very successful at stopping the violence related to prostitution

Policy should be to make drugs/prostitution/etc. illegal to consume but legal to produce and sell. No black market, no organized crime, but if we catch you intoxicated in public, big jail sentence.

The result will be that everyone who can control themselves will - and greatly reduce the use. The people still caught are addicts and completely unable to control themselves and are the people that should be locked up.

No one's going to break down doors just cause' someone buys drugs- ownership is legal. But if you're doing crazy shit, it's doubly illegal to be ingesting that stuff. My two cents.

>>606675

Sounds good at first, but I'm sure there are downsides to this strategy too

women shouldn't be allowed to vote or wear pants

>>606693

Certainly there will be more net usage of the prohibited product than by banning all sources.

However, there will be no attendant increase in organized crime.

This is the maximum reduction without creating a market for lawlessness. It's not perfection - that can only come from Christ. It's just the best law I can currently conceive of.

It's at least better than full prohibition or full legality, which is all we seem to have now.

>>606401

Its legal in Canada, but doesn't mean it actually happens

>>605465

Them getting in the building is one step closer to god, it may be the only step they take, which is why it's so important for you to NOT simply shut them out. Try talking to them, even if it's a quick hello and glad tiding that they're in church, maybe invite them back again or at least sit with them. It's the duty of the church community to bring these people in, to evangelize and convert them. You don't have to approve of their sinful life choices in the slightest to treat them with basic dignity while they're in church.

>>608851

Feels like Starship Troopers (the book, not the weird movie)

>>606675

> Policy should be to make drugs/prostitution/etc. illegal to consume but legal to produce and sell. No black market, no organized crime, but if we catch you intoxicated in public, big jail sentence.

I feel like this is pretty disconnected from any sort of Christian morality. If it is immoral to use heroin, it is immoral to sell it. Legalising heroin production while criminalising consumption seems like it sends a mixed moral message. Christian morality can never be merely about what works in a utilitarian sense.