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e1c43b No.601700

Is capitalism just as satanic as communism?

d9cc01 No.601707

>>601700

Neither is inherently Satan, they're just economic systems. It's the people at the top of both who are infected by Satan and his angels (they can only possess so many people; may as well go for the most powerful). In that way, they're both as satanic as each other.

The only way to fix this would be to do away with positions of power.


e09286 No.601728

>>601700

Both are silly economic strugtures who think its all about economies.

Saged


9a4b94 No.601738

They aren't satanic, just shitty ideologies


9b1ff6 No.601740

>>601707

Communism is inherently evil because it denies property

>>601728

>economic systems are silly because they are all about economy!


e09286 No.601743

>>601740

>economic systems used as a political structure for nations are not silly because we dont count human psychology in

dumbass just pure butt sniffing dumbass


d9cc01 No.601747

>>601740

>Communism is inherently evil because it denies property

Doesn't mean that it is Satanist.

I mean it is (at least the Soviet Union was), but that's not the question.


20dfa9 No.601823

>>601700

>"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need."

Marxism is obviously not Christian but communism/socialism can be.


efa74d No.601836

>>601700

With Capitalism, the people are to blame for funding those products.

>>601823

You can be altruistic under capitalism, but the issue that that "anti-greed" liberals dump millions into anti-Republican PACs and ads than they do into helping homeless people. They attack the virtue of others rather than taking the initiative to be virtuous.


d57e4a No.601855

Communism and socialism is evil from principle.

Capitalism is evil only when you equal good with profit.


20dfa9 No.601857

>>601836

>You can be altruistic under capitalism, but the issue that that "anti-greed" liberals dump millions into anti-Republican PACs and ads than they do into helping homeless people. They attack the virtue of others rather than taking the initiative to be virtuous.

Okay attacking hypocritical limousine liberals makes sense but how is that a refutation of Christian socialism.

>>601855

>Communism and socialism is evil from principle.

What's your take on Acts 4:32-35 then >>601823


d57e4a No.601897

>>601857

>What's your take on Acts 4:32-35

That what it states: proto-monstacism and not Communism which satanic in nature.


3e2b36 No.601922

>>601700

Yes, look up Herbert Spencer and his works.

>>601707

>Neither is inherently Satan

You're blind to the history of both schools of thought.

>they're just economic systems.

With their own teleologies, moral ethics, athestics and even eschatologies, all which often conflict with Scripture. This nonsense about "well their merely economic systems with no bearing on theology" is the same modernist bs that gave the church so much grief.

>>601738

"For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." (Rom. 14:23b) "Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." (1 John 3:8)

>>601857

>Acts 4:32-35

Can show that you don't need Capitalism, but:

1. The transactions were all voluntary

2. This was a desperate, unusual time when such behavior makes more sense than normal Christian living.

3. Even then, "Those who will not work, will not eat." Nothing about this "each according to his need" nonsense.


01dd36 No.601923

It's rather shocking, given the history of oppression and genocide of the communists of the 20th century, much of which was specifically targeting Christians, that /christian/ seems to equivocate between that and the system which most of us are living comfortable lives under now.


4d3d24 No.601930

>>601923

>most of us are living comfortable lives

"confort", consumerism nowadays, is not christian. Judging by the state of christianity under liberalism, it's hard to advocate in his favor. Martyrdom under communism is better for you soul than a life under (((liberalism)))


37aefe No.601937

>>601897

Monasteries are communes

>>601922

1. I never said there should be coercion. There's no state or coercive body mentioned in Acts

2. The early church was the most faithful example of Christian living

3. In socialism everyone works equally. Capitalism produces the idle rich. Where does it say none of them worked? It says they jointly owned everything


d061ba No.601949

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01dd36 No.601951

>>601930

Capitalism produces bountiful excess. The mindless consumerism and zombie-like TV addictions are personal transgressions. Don't conflate the two. Also, you're not destitute, ascetic, or a martyr. You're a Christian living in the modern world, enjoying its amenities, so don't be a hypocrite.


d57e4a No.601955

>>601937

And Communes=/=communist. On contrary really. Read Rerum Novarum


4d3d24 No.601961

>>601951

these personnal transgression are now the norms. A christian life isn't only about the individuals but about the community. Nowadays, communities are completely destroyed under the reign of the desires, globalisation,…

>Capitalism produces bountiful excess

Satan too. Like when he tempt Jesus in the desert. While you say liberalism is "generous" I say it's dangerous for the soul. Sure, porn, mass-media, mass-consomation,… is generous…

>liberalism and communism are materialistic

>liberalism and communism are progressist

>liberalism and communism are destroying nations, regions, communities and families

I'm glad the Church condemned liberalism early.


01dd36 No.601963

>>601961

>communist genocide of Christians

<better than being alive

>being fruitful, bountiful, blessed

<Just like Satan

The absolute state of this board


12ec99 No.601968

>>601955

Communes aren't capital C Communism (Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism etc.) but they're certainly socialist/collectivist

>>601963

Uhhh Christianity means you're supposed to mindlessly hate everything in and on planet earth right :^)


4d3d24 No.601974

>>601963

>fruitful

can you remember me the number of child occidentals make ? Or maybe your talking about genetically modified organism or our food full of chemical ingredients? this artificial agriculture that make our land sterile

>bountiful

in terms of forced degeneracies yes

>blessed

you will need to explain me how

Can you argument at least, your boring ?


3e2b36 No.601975

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>>601923

>Comfort

Comfortably numb maybe, but do you understand we never truly had the Capitalist system that libertarians espouse. At best (according to the libertarians), we've had a soft-regulated market system with a more local-focused state. Why thank an ideal condition that did not and does not exist for giving me a situation I do not entirely want? Even then, partial, Keynesian Capitalism is still fully evil.

"Remove far from me falsehood and lying;

give me neither poverty nor riches;

feed me with the food that is needful for me,

lest I be full and deny you

and say, “Who is the Lord?”

or lest I be poor and steal

and profane the name of my God." (Prov. 30:8)

>Communism

And why is it that pro-Capitalists such as yourself often accuse anyone who dares criticize a mere aspect of Capitalist thought as being a dang dirty commie or an equivalent? You're as bad as Mises, who called every Austrian and Chicagian economist a socialist for thinking that certain regulations are good for society.

Mind you, I loathe Communism as an abomination against God's design for his people and a destroyer and killer of countless many.

>>601937

I worded my first response to you poorly. I'm not entirely arguing against you only partially :^), but I am just pointing out some thing about that passage, especially some arguments that you will encounter from pro-Capitalist Christians and conservatives.

>I never said there should be coercion.

Never said you did. The counter argument you will encounter from pro-Cap Christians and conservatives will often include the assumption that the voluntary nature in Acts is the same voluntary nature in a free market system.

>The early church was the most faithful example of Christian living

When you had the Judiaizers, the debauched mess that was Corinth, and six of seven churches chastised by Christ Himself? I don't think so. It's better to say: no matter what time we are in, a truly faithful church is the most faithful example of Christian living. If you want to overcome this argument, then you need to use other Scripture, yes even OT law if you have too, that show this practice as good for good times and bad.

>In socialism everyone works equally.

Don't agree, but go on.

>Capitalism produces the idle rich.

Agreed, but that's not Capitalism's worst evils. Also, not every rich man is idle, and sometimes God blessed and blesses people with wealth, who won't love it, to aid His kingdom (Job and Abraham in the OT; Joesph of Arimethia, Theophilus, and possibly Aquila and Priscilla in the NT; Truett Cathy and the Hobby Lobby couple for modern examples). In this partially-Capitalistic tech age, we now have the idle poor as well as rich. Therefore, don't quickly point to the rich of evil mammon or the on-the-fence people will quickly tune out your other arguments as they will see that argument as mere wealth envy.

>Where does it say none of them worked? It says they jointly owned everything

Never said that. But two things you need to make clear: 1. That you believe people should work and 2. people won't work for work's sake under your system.


d57e4a No.601991

>>601968

>Communes aren't capital C Communism (Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism etc.) but they're certainly socialist/collectivist

Socialism=/=Collectivism. Collectivism=/=De facto private communes aka monasteries


70eaea No.601997

Yes.


01dd36 No.602048

>>601974

>Cherry-picking the bad to slander the good

And your grammar is as poor as your logic.

>>601975

>we never truly had the Capitalist system that libertarians espouse

No Scotsman fallacy.

>And why is it that pro-Capitalists such as yourself often accuse anyone who dares criticize a mere aspect of Capitalist thought as being a dang dirty commie or an equivalent

Strawman fallacy.


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5342a9 No.602083

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Leviathan (Envy) and Mammon (Greed) are equally as destructive to the soul.


50fc26 No.602087

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Which one systematically seeks out and massacres anything remotely christian with military efficiency while the rest of the masses starve to death?


d9cc01 No.602091

>>602087

Both tbh.


12ec99 No.602096

>>602083

>seven deadly sins anything but a papist meme


5342a9 No.602111

>>602096

They're an interesting representative schema of human weakness.


3e2b36 No.602137

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>>602048

>No Scotsman fallacy.

It takes 10 seconds to look up the term "crony capitalism" which every conservative and libertarian pundit and his brother is using nowadays to defend capitalism. It takes 10 nanoseconds to see that you're retarded and not worth arguing against.

>Strawman fallacy.

Look everyone! The kettle spoke! What? His first words? Uh, "The Pot's black."

>>602096

>Envy and greed aren't real sins in the Bible are just a Thomist-Papist conspiracy


a55182 No.602150

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>people are seriously arguing for capitalism


48daa8 No.602152

jesus paid for porn

(USER WAS WARNED FOR RULE 2)

5342a9 No.602159

>>602150

probably a knee-jerk reaction against communism, understandable, but misguided adversity


4ecc9a No.602177

>this entire thread and not one CHRISTCOM GANG has assembled

You're letting me down, /christian/

>>602091

Underrated


70b8b3 No.602203

>>602150

Capitalism is the best system we have


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1d05f0 No.602218

>>601707

Communism believes we can create a perfect utopia on earth through secular means. It goes against God, and is satanic. Capitalism is completely degenerative, as well. Things will just keep getting worse to maximize financial gains. Usury will be rampant sin btw and people will be taken advantage of.


4ecc9a No.602237

>>602203

>Exploits the poor for the benefit of very few rich

>Built on the foundation of human greed

>Leads to materialism and secular culture everyone hates so much

>Destroing God's perfect Creation because "lol, the economy"

<it's the best we have

Just because you're content doesn't mean it's not an abhorrent sin


781f94 No.602510

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>>602137

>mfw when you post "not an argument" and "smug anime face" at the same time

>anime posting

Consider repenting of sodomy.




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