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>>600400

>As the candidate is "raised", he and the Worshipful Master assume the position known as the five points of fellowship; and while in that position, which is foot to foot, knee to knee, breast to breast, hand to back, and cheek to cheek, or mouth to ear, the Worshipful Master whispers the words, "Mah-Ha-Bone" into the ear of the candidate, "Mah-Ha-Bone" being what is called the substitute for the Master’s Word

That's the faggiest damn thing I've ever heard

>>600423

Interesting that mormons do the exact same thing in their rituals

>>600425

>Interesting that mormons do the exact same thing in their rituals

All these satanic Esoteric movements have the same vein of nonsense running through them. These rituals are merely a mockery of the true Christian traditions.

>>600425

Joseph Smith was in fact a Mason.

>>600541

>Correct along with the Knights Templar.

Isn't that a myth?

>>600702

But weren't they tasked with protecting people who go on pilgrimages on the road from dangers? I mean the order was called the Order of the Poor Knights.

>>600707

The Freemason version is named after the original ones.

This site is owned by a mason

>>600702

>g-guys it's called the Order therefore..

Please don't tell me you're that stupid…

>>600783

If you're going to prove they were freemasons at least provide convincing evidence. The "evidence" you posted comes from the last hundred years or so while templars have been around for almost a thousand years.

GUYS I FOUND MASONS IN THE BIBLE!!!111!!

Hebrews 7:17

>>600788

https://www.mn-masons.org/sites/mn-masons.org/files/5844.pdf

> From 1791, Preceptories (until 1873 known as

Encampments) began to be formally established and regularised under a English national

sovereign body, the Grand Conclave.

Also this isn't the only Christians satanic sect, there is a few others like the Rosicrucians, that also started around the 1700s.

Is it really that hard to believe when the same piers of other cultures/religions have sold out their own?

>>600733

As far as i am concerned, he probably is an ex-mason

>>600783

Deus Vult pupper

What contentions do Catholics have with Freemasonry?

>>602121

The revolutionary Judeo-Kabbalistic crypto-Luciferianism, mainly.

>>602130

>Revolutionary

Understandable as both the French revolution and Italian Unification were influenced by many figures who were involved in the fraternity, and both these events would've damaged the Church's political power. Though I don't see how that has to do with modern Masonry.

>Judeo-Kabbalistic

Can you explain further?

>Crypto-Luciferianism

I've heard a lot of conflicting sources on this. Can you go into further detail?

>>602134

>>602130

Forgot to add, what is the Catholic Church's official stance on Martinism. As far as I understand Martinism requires you to be a catholic, but it deals in mystical and "esoteric" Christianity.

>>602135

>As a mystical tradition, it was first transmitted through a masonic high-degree system established around 1740 in France by Martinez de Pasqually, and later propagated in different forms by his two students Louis Claude de Saint-Martin and Jean-Baptiste Willermoz.

>As a mystical tradition, it was first

>transmitted through a

>masonic high-degree system

It's Heresy most gross and foul

>>602135

>>602134

Much of the Masonic "lore" is lifted from Kabbalism, the Jewish occult tradition. The central symbol of Masonry is the (re)building of Solomon's Temple. Recall that Solomon committed idolatry and worshiped demons. Masonry at its highest levels is Satanic. I've been informed that, just for one example, "mainstream biographers" of Tsar Peter the Great (a Mason) will say that he participated in Black Masses and wrote poetry in praise of Dionysus and Prometheus. As for Martinism, I'm not sure that it's ever been addressed but I can't imagine it would be approved.

>>602149

>Much of the masonic lore is lifted from Kabbalism

I'll have to do more studying on this. Do you have any book references to learn more?

>I've been informed that, just for one example, "mainstream biographers" of Tsar Peter the Great

I've heard of a few kings being masons. I think it was a Swedish and a Prussian one. Would you say that all of these kings took part in satanic rituals?

>wrote poetry in praise of Dionysus and Prometheus

Sauce. Was this poetry metaphorical or did he literally worship Prometheus. It would make sense as masons prize knowledge and light so writing fondly of a mythological character who brought knowledge to humans wouldn't be far off.

>>602156

>I'll have to do more studying on this. Do you have any book references to learn more?

In interest of your spiritual well-being I will refrain from naming books; most of the materials I read and picked up information from are not stuff I can recommend to anyone else.

>I've heard of a few kings being masons. I think it was a Swedish and a Prussian one. Would you say that all of these kings took part in satanic rituals?

It's possible. I can't say I know either way.

>Sauce. Was this poetry metaphorical or did he literally worship Prometheus. It would make sense as masons prize knowledge and light so writing fondly of a mythological character who brought knowledge to humans wouldn't be far off.

I forget where I heard this; it was one of Matthew Raphael Johnson's Orthodox Nationalist episodes. The main takeaway would be to recall that Prometheus is analogous to Lucifer.

>>602199

>Prometheus is analogous to Lucifer

I suppose so in regards to both tempting humans, but doesn't that fall into the atheist argument over the similarities between figures in the Bible and mythological figures?

>>602377

Fedora tippers have it the wrong way around: pagan beliefs are corruptions of the original revelation given by God that only the Hebrews preserved intact.

>>602199

>In interest of your spiritual well-being I will refrain from naming books; most of the materials I read and picked up information from are not stuff I can recommend to anyone else.

I have read a lot of stuff too. I wouldn't be surprised by anything. Would you be so kind and share your resources? You show me your i'll show you mine……?

Isn't Prometheus being lucifer is their masonic doctrine?It's only really related to bible by satan being an angel of light. I guess this would be a limited similarity between the bible and lucifarians, only that instead of giving knowledge hes deceiving everyone..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_and_Prometheus it comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.J._Zwi_Werblowsky

>>602377

>but doesn't that fall into the atheist argument over the similarities between figures in the Bible and mythological figures?

No, because the similarities between Jesus and Horus/other pagan gods have been disproven. see https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TVOYpPpjYhTUHXycJrY6P2I