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898b6d (2) No.597029>>597113 >>597122 >>597225 >>597360 >>608608 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Hello, /christian/. What are your thoughts about the Religious Society of Friends, aka Quakers?

6abb21 (1) No.597042

Ain't they non-Trinitarian/non-creedal?


104b0d (2) No.597045>>597046 >>597100

My favorite non-mainline Protestants are German Baptists.


104b0d (2) No.597046


898b6d (2) No.597049>>597100

I do find myself drawn to Anabaptism ideals about how life should be simple and glorifying to God, but I am not hardcore enough to go full Amish or Mennonite.


58496e (1) No.597088>>597116

Literally every Quaker I've spoken with was a Gnostic. No thank you.


470f1c (1) No.597089>>597100

i use to think they are a brand of cereal but they're great. They preserve the art of group meditation


0c9554 (2) No.597100>>597212 >>597392

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c38f50 (1) No.597113

>>597029 (OP)

I'm Pennsylvanian so I have some begrudging respect for them of some type. They should begome though.


e959fd (1) No.597116

>>597088

Hasn't that always been the case?


3e7541 (1) No.597118

Theyre not apostolic so theyre automatically heretics


dac16b (1) No.597121

Wonderful people, the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth but these guys are very nice. Don't convert to this religion but I like the ones who are still in it to preserve their heritage because it's what their ancestors did and they don't know any better.


6c6f6e (1) No.597122

>>597029 (OP)

I’ve never had a good interaction with one. I’ve had good and bad interactions with people of all denominations and all religions, except Quakers. I don’t know why


658d98 (6) No.597168

I think they were the first Christian groups to preach openly against slavery with some pretty powerful arguments, especially those based on the Bible such as in order for a person to properly be a Christian, they must be a free person and things of this nature.


658d98 (6) No.597169

Quakers are my favorite denomination.

I think if you become an actual Quaker you have a "better chance" at getting recognized by the U.S. Federal Government as a 'conscientious objector'…


871c63 (1) No.597173

Absolute nutjobs.


7fef2f (1) No.597191

I know a few people who have stayed with Quakers for extended periods of time. According to them, they are genuinely kind and loving people, if heretical.


3294c6 (5) No.597206>>597208 >>597445

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Undoubtedly, there are many, perhaps (though it is by no means certain) even a majority of Quakers in Britain who would self-define as Christians -- according to their own understanding of what it means to be a Christian. Because of our history, Quakerism is generally assumed by many outsiders to be a denomination of the wider Christian Church, like Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, or the Church of England.

It isn’t really that simple, though. For the last 1700 years or so, most Christian Churches have held to more or less strict criteria as to what is required in order to be considered a Christian. Almost all of them require assent to:

-The Nicene Creed which refers to such things as the circumstances of Jesus’s conception, birth, execution, and resurrection,

-The doctrine of Trinitarianism which says God is comprised of the Father as creator, the Son as Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and

-The acceptance of the biblical Jesus as one’s Lord and Personal Saviour.

Individually, many denominations also require assent to extra beliefs, either to be considered a Christian at all or just to be part of their own Church, such as:

-Belief in the Apostolic Succession, whereby all members of the church hierarchy must be able to trace their lineage by the laying on of hands right back to the apostle Peter,

-Baptism, be it a splash of water as an infant or total immersion as a believing adult,

-The taking of communion in the form of bread and wine, and

-The belief in the Bible as the infallible and inerrant Word of God.

By these criteria, it has to be accepted that most other Churches and many individual Christians might not consider The Religious Society of Friends in Britain or some individual British Quakers to be Christians, due to our lack of assent to those same criteria. Technically, the Religious Society of Friends is considered to be a Protestant church by virtue of it not being part of the Roman Catholic church, but in fact it could said that Quakerism in Britain has always been just as much a ‘protest’ at the theology and practice of most Protestant churches as at the Catholic church.

However, Quakers don’t rightly care for the criteria of others, considering that creeds and statements of faith are divisive and exclusive, turning people away from God rather than bringing them towards God. We also particularly don’t care for creeds because of our sense that God is much too big to be reduced to a few short sentences or snappy slogans. It is however interesting to note that despite this, most other Churches are very keen to keep us involved in ecumenical bodies and initiatives such as Churches Together in Britain and Ireland or the World Council of Churches, feeling we do have essential challenges to offer them, and include special ‘Quaker clauses’ in their constitutions in order for us to be able to participate without subscribing to anything credal.

A number of Quakers are starting to use the term ‘post-Christian’, meaning they are rooted in Christianity (not least as a result of our heritage and common western culture) but open to new light, feeling that the old language of Christianity has some metaphorical value but does not necessarily express the Truth as they see it, and wish to be free to continue to find other language which does. Another popular description individual Quakers use is that of being ‘a humble learner in the School of Christ’. A number of other Quakers have actively found inspiration in the writings and practices of non-Christian faiths, most notably Judaism and Buddhism, and use for themselves the language of dual membership, self-defining as Jewish Quaker, or Buddhist Quaker. And there are indeed a number of British Quakers, be it through bad experiences in the past or simply the path of their own spiritual journey, who will have no truck with Christianity whatsoever, finding its language and concepts completely outside their own faith.

COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE HERETICS


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34f6f9 (1) No.597212>>597215


0c9554 (2) No.597215


c9f525 (1) No.597225

>>597029 (OP)

They seem to be genuine with their faith but are extremely heretical.

They have also been infected with modern liberal heresies even more than even mainline protties.


658d98 (6) No.597358

>>597357

they simply said something along the lines of that their organization began in years past as what one could call a "Christian denomination", but that that was only what their history was

they of course had plenty of Christian literature and all were pretty familiar with Christendom


658d98 (6) No.597359

they were all really nice and friendly people, though…with really healthy food


27d2b7 (2) No.597360

>>597029 (OP)

Quakers are like a lot of Christians nowadays. Their hearts are in the right place, but their minds are not.

That's one reason the Catholic Church is such a priceless gift from God.


658d98 (6) No.597364>>597367

>>597363

or so i have read these things in history books written by men


27d2b7 (2) No.597367

>>597363

>>597364

>le ebil cadolicks

>in cahoots with Anglicans

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d3ba91 (1) No.597382

>>597369

What a strange thought process.


b1530e (1) No.597392

>>597100

They are also objectively a great brand of cereal tho


ff3c7d (1) No.597408

>>597369

>Romans 9:18 So then he (God) has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.


3294c6 (5) No.597420>>597429

>>597361

>or first among men before God

This is Arianism. If you can consider this to be a choice, I suggest you look into the consequences this has for Christian belief (and why those who take stock in it aren't considered Christian). I understand that you're agnostic, but do understand that the Nicene Creed is considered the basis of all genuine Christian faith for a reason.


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>>597174

> Sharp came to hate slavery as much as he hated Roman Catholicism

As a Former Catholic, that resonated with me


068a7b (1) No.597426>>597439

>>597361

No, being a Christian is adhering to basic Christian dogma as laid out in the Nicene creed. Christian beliefs cease to be Christian beliefs when they're altered into something else.


658d98 (6) No.597429>>597432 >>597438 >>597439

>>597420

>Nicene Creed

4real? how do you figure?

i am not agnostic, just saying i profess agnosticism on certain points of dogma and theology (such as that which is inconceivable without proof from God)

>arianism

>Jehovah's witnesses


992585 (1) No.597432>>597439

>>597429

The church undivided agreed on it and scripture supports it


3294c6 (5) No.597438

>>597429

Everything the Nicene Creed states is agreed upon by all Christian denominations that have a flag here. It is the bond by which we're all tied together. The statement of faith.

And yes, the Jehovah's Witnesses are modern-day Arians. It's one of the many reasons they're considered to be non-Christian.


6ae319 (2) No.597439>>597440

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>>597432

>>597429

>>597426

You need to be saved to be a Christian. Just believing \Jesus exists isn't enough, you can't rely on your works.


363f1f (1) No.597440

>>597439

>Just believing \Jesus exists isn't enough

Reminds me of this quote my family would always say

>James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.


9502a4 (1) No.597445>>597455

>>597206

>-Baptism, be it a splash of water as an infant or total immersion as a believing adult,

I'm being Baptised as an adult and I believe they (Catholic Church) won't do full immersion.


3294c6 (5) No.597455

>>597445

Affusion is a perfectly valid way of being baptized. Full immersion is the liturgically correct practice and the ideal for all believers (barring those for whom it's physically impossible), but affusion is wholly legitimate. The Quakers were just providing an example of Baptism so they can say that they don't believe in them.


7ec401 (1) No.597740

>>597181

>Thomas Paine was against them

That's a plus in my book


1b1214 (1) No.608604

>>597181

>anti-slavery

>pro british colonial loyalty

i am inching towards Quaker everyday


660e94 (1) No.608608

>>597029 (OP)

They're Unitarian. So …


a03782 (1) No.608626

>>597181

>Quakers were also loyalists in the Revolutionary War

That's like saying "Americans were loyalists in the Revolutionary War". There were Quakers on both sides. One of the most important spies for the patriots, operating out of New York, was himself a Quaker.




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