Individuality

Email
Comment *
File	Select/drop/paste files here
* = required field	[▶ Show post options & limits] Confused? See the FAQ.

Flag
Embed	(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options	Do not bump (you can also write sage in the email field) Spoiler images (this replaces the thumbnails of your images with question marks)
Password	(For file and post deletion.)
Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4, pdf Max filesize is 16 MB. Max image dimensions are 15000 x 15000. You may upload 5 per post.

File: dff673a3880da98⋯.jpg (157.94 KB, 1024x682, 512:341, 00bfe708c25a227610c0bcab4b….jpg)

Individuality Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 02:11:00 e61e12 No.596756

Some scientists figured out how to clone monkeys. Because of them being primates, the next logical step for these scientists is humans.

This has greatly shook my faith and I don't know how to reconcile this science with faith. I'm a Catholic man and always have had a disturbance in faith but I've been trying. The ability to clone humans made me think about what defines a soul. If scientists made a clone out of me, that clone can't share a soul, yet it is me in every biological way.

There will be those that say "well they haven't experienced everything you have." But I don't know, I'm beginning to think that humans aren't unique and we don't necessarily have individual souls. Please pray for me and help me reconcile current science with faith.

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 02:23:35 8b66e8 No.596759

Cloning is gay and I'd prefer it didn't happen. But don't feel such a need to codify everything. It's not good for you or the latin church. The creation of life is mysterious. God invites mankind to participate in life-creation by procreation. We don't even wholly understand that. We never will either. This is one of many mysteries which will always be mysteries. Don't despair over it. We'll likewise never wholly understand cloning. Don't let that convince you that mankind is soulless or even that clones are soulless.

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 02:38:32 8b66e8 No.596768

>>596759

I'll go out on a limb and say I think it's probably a sin to clone. It's an attempt to partake in His creative power without partaking in His image and likeness. Procreation is an inherently triune process and therefore in some way a refloction of who God is, but cloning is divorced from that.

But I think God is merciful and compassionate, and in His love, He might even breath true life and a soul into a clone despite the cloners.

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 02:39:48 a3156c No.596770

>what are identical twins

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 02:45:07 3b834a No.596775

>>596756

The clone is never truly a clone.

It can possess the same genetical code as the first individual but it will never be the same way because of environmental factors and…

and…

The fucking soul.

Ever seen real twins? I can assure you their genetical code is as close as possible (true clones if you want) and yet… Aren't they different? Why do you think the idea of the "Good/bad twin came from? It's an exageration but they truly are different in the end?

The body is merely a "terminal system" for the soul. It can be copied but without a soul it won't work.

Besides all these clones are created in the womb of another animal, so God puts a soul inside nonetheless

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 03:14:27 e61e12 No.596792

>>596775

So what if you were cloned and said clone developed in an artificial womb. Would they have a soul?

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 03:17:19 fd01d6 No.596798

>>596756

I don't really understand cloning. Isn't cloning just taking the sperm out, taking the egg out, putting them together in a petri dish, and then putting it in a surrogate mother? What's the point? To say you can do it?

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 03:20:57 e61e12 No.596804

>>596798

It's replicating an organism that already exists. Like if they took you and conceived another you from the same DNA that was conceived by your mother.

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 03:31:24 3b834a No.596814

>>596792

Of course

God is all powerful

If it's not alive, it doesn't have a soul

Christanon 01/31/18 (Wed) 04:50:37 58680c No.596858

>>596756

>yet it is me in every biological way.

No, it's not. A clone would be less like you than a twin is, because it didn't share a womb with you, and conditions in the womb have lots of far-reaching biological effects on people.

>>596792

Yes.