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That's why the Byzantines preferred mutilation and exile over capital punishment.

More seriously… Death sentence isn't intrinsically evil, but it's far from ideal for the reasons you're highlighting. We Westerners live in a society comfortable enough that giving the death sentence to criminals left and right isn't the most merciful and loving option available.

Also, the Noahide commandments must be understood in light of Christ. They were given to a humanity that was fallen. The full realization of humanity is in Christ, and He clearly abolishes the law of talion.

>>592076

In a fair judicial system, convicts are given time to repent before facing their crimes instead of being marched straight to the gallows as with a show trial. I really don't see anything wrong with someone being convicted of a capital crime and then being executed for it a month later if they are provided access to a chaplain, are administered last rites, etc. as all Christian countries ought and on the most part have to my knowledge. Indeed, all men should hear the Gospel, particular one whose days are numbered, and Christians no matter the denomination are generally very good about being active in the prison system.

>>592076

>If capital punishment is moral

It isn't.

>>592097

so what about william tyndale

>>592101

And what of John Huss, and Fra Dolcino?

Have somsone that preaches the gospel to people before they get executed.

>>592097

>let me throw out all the verses in the Bible that support it

Well you are catholic

>>592076

>the state can decide which serious crimes are punishable with death

is bad if I agree with it?

>>592097

It is.

We have the right to cast aside the murderer.

>>592103

We both burned each other, I like to think we've forgiven each other for this long ago

>>592097

Bait.

Romans 13

>>592084

Is the executioner right in the eyes of the Lord for killing a man who has repented?

>How is a sinner supposed to get saved if a judge decides to end his life prematurely?

Because it doesn't work with the judge sentencing them like "I sentence you to death, but I'm not gonna tell you when lolol".

In Catholic countries or countries with strong Catholic presence, on the night before the execution of the condemned, a priest would go in and spend the whole night with the inmate, soliciting them for contrition, pardon and confession, then providing them with last rites, so that they could at least die in a state of grace. In this respect it's probably one of the greatest spiritual luxuries you can have because

1. You know exactly when you are to die

2. You have a priest with you to hear confession and to ask him to ask for forgiveness of your victims, and for his prayers for your soul

3. You get to offer up your death-agony and fulfil your temporal punishment for sin

4. You can die in a state of grace

Compare this with how many souls at that time on the outside would be dying in a real unprovided for death.

>>592097

We really need to have a "read the catechism" thread, like I get mistakes like these and I've done the same but they need to be corrected all the same.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

>Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

I can't speak for other countries but in the US the multiple trials and excessive lawyering necessary to put someone on death row are exponentially higher than the cost of a life sentence, and even if that wasn't the case it wouldn't be necessary to execute criminals.

>>592296

>have 24hours to convert, oh and you're sitting on a death sentence

don't think people would be in a good frame of mind for such a process

Also it requires God to do some work on you, a priest can be a factor but come on…

>>592504

>don't think people would be in a good frame of mind for such a process

They're on a death sentence, is it possible to assume that they were ever in a good frame of mind? The only thing left to think about is death and afterlife. There's a documentary series called "On Death Row" that looks into this a little, I think it's worth a watch.

Reincarnation. God is fair.

But capital punishment is not moral, as all life is sacred.

>>592809

>Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

>>592097

>this is your brain on modernism

>>592809

>all life is sacred

ya, that's why murder should be punishable by death

if you treat murder the same way you treat a big robbery, then you don't really think life is very sacred

>>592076

Whoever awaits capital punishment has time to repent and a priest to confess to. Pardoning unbelievers is long outdated too, you can buy a Bible everywhere in the world, Muslims/Jews who get killed wouldn't have converted were they left alive, and converting under duress is worthless anyway.

>>592077

>why the Byzantines preferred mutilation and exile

mutilation and exile of political opponents, which is why God destroyed them

>>592809

Read the Bible you hippie.

>>592076

CRIME DOES NOT PAY

>>592276

God does judge but reward those that follow his laws and commandments. So if he is carrying out the execution for a capital offence if his smiled upon.

>>592809

God commands capital punishment, but you believe that capital punishment is immoral, thereby god is evil. You may be on the wrong board, have you thought about Buddhism or other eastern schools of "your going to hell" thoughts. You have thrown out god's ethics and gone in favor for man's.

>>593028

Get comfortable with the ideas of reincarnation, esp. on other planets. These were written out of the Bible.

>>592097

What's the point of law without enforcement? How do we achieve deterrence without threat? Wow you're stupid.

>the bible is contradictory

who would have thought a book written by people was like that?

>>593428

>Catholics