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>Matthys was a baker in Haarlem, in the Holy Roman Empire's County of Holland, and was converted to Anabaptism through the ministry of Melchior Hoffman in the 1520s. Matthys baptized thousands of converts, and after Hoffman's imprisonment, rose to prominent leadership among the Anabaptists. Matthys rejected the pacifism and non-violence theology of Hoffman, adopting a view that oppression must be met with resistance.

>In 1534, an Anabaptist insurrection took control of Münster, the capital city of the Holy Roman Empire's Prince-Bishopric of Münster. John of Leiden, a Dutch Anabaptist disciple of Matthys, and a group of local merchants, summoned Matthys to come. Matthys identified Münster as the "New Jerusalem", and on January 5, 1534, a number of his disciples entered the city and introduced adult baptism. Reformer Bernhard Rothmann apparently accepted "rebaptism" that day, and well over 1000 adults were soon baptized.

>They declared war on Franz von Waldeck, its expelled prince-bishop, who besieged the fortified town. In April 1534 on Easter Sunday, Matthys, who had prophesied God's judgment to come on the wicked on that day, made a sally forth with twelve followers, under the idea that he was a second Gideon, and was cut off with his entire band. He was killed, dismembered and his head stuck on a pike. Later that evening, his genitals were nailed to the city door.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Matthys

>John was the illegitimate son of a Dutch mayor, and a tailor’s apprentice by trade. He was born in the village of Zevenhoven in the municipality of Nieuwkoop, located in the Dutch province of South Holland. Raised in poverty, young John became a charismatic leader who was widely revered by his followers. John was an Anabaptist, secretly at first but later he became a recognized prophet of a sect which would eventually take over the German town of Münster.

>John of Leiden would lead the Anabaptists during the siege. When he was the leader, he assumed Matthys' position as the prophet and eventually established a Royal Order complete with a Royal Court and a kingly costume, which was made from the property taken from the citizens of Münster.

>The conventional view is that John of Leiden set up in Münster a polygamous theocracy, best known for a law John passed stating that any unmarried woman must accept the first proposal of marriage made to her, with the result that men competed to acquire the most wives. Some sources report that John himself took sixteen wives aside from his "Queen" Divara van Haarlem, and that he publicly beheaded one of his wives, Elisabeth Wandscherer, after she rebelled against his authority.

>The army of Münster was defeated in 1535 by the prince-bishop Franz von Waldeck, and John of Leiden was captured… he was tortured and then executed. Each of the three was attached to a pole by an iron spiked collar and his body ripped with red-hot tongs for the space of an hour… he attempted to kill himself with the collar, using it to choke himself. After that the executioner tied him to the stake to make it impossible for him to kill himself. After the burning, their tongues were pulled out with tongs before each was killed with a burning dagger thrust through the heart. The bodies were placed in three iron baskets and hung from the steeple of St. Lambert's Church and the remains left to rot. About fifty years later the bones were removed, but the baskets remain.

>>589753

Heard it before buddy. Bernhard Rothmann was already in Münster preaching resistance as a Lutheran a full year before any of the others showed up. He may have been influenced by the "Wassenberg preachers" in late 1532, but not openly did he change his views until later. It was only in political alliance with Rothmann, that any of the rebellion was possible.

>When [Rothmann] returned to preach in Münster at the beginning of July 1531, he was thoroughly evangelical in his preaching.

>The unsettled state of the bishop's tenure in Münster (there were three in rapid succession) made it possible for Rothmann to rise to a position of honor and power. Related to this was the control which the guilds exercised over the council. He was supported by an atmosphere of reform and so began to agitate for his religious views.

>On 23 January 1532 he published his confession of faith (found in Kerssenbroch, 176-189). This confession contains thirty articles which include the main points under discussion by the Reformers. It is thoroughly Lutheran and divergent from Wittenberg only in the points dealing with the sacraments, where it shows clear influence from Capito and Zwingli, for the sacraments are considered memorial signs. There are no indications of Anabaptist leanings, and the separation between the spiritual and the physical realms reminds one of Luther.

>On 10 August, after a number of struggles, the evangelical preacher took over the churches in Münster, and six days later Rothmann along with the preachers published a notice of the abuses of the Catholic Church containing sixteen articles. Here Zwingli's influence is very clear. Article six speaks directly against Luther and for Zwingli.

>This divergence from Lutheran views caused both Melanchthon (an acquaintance of Rothmann's) and Luther to warn Rothmann, who was suspect also because he practiced the Lord's Supper outside the church, using ordinary bread sprinkled with wine. At the end of 1532 Luther warned Rothmann regarding Zwingli, and felt it necessary to call the attention of the Münster council to the danger of the Anabaptist movement.

>As far as Rothmann was concerned this warning was not needed, for on 6 September 1532, he wrote to the humanist Hermann von dem Busche sharply criticising the Anabaptists.

>This situation, however, soon changed after Philipp of Hesse intervened on 14 February 1533 to confirm the six evangelical preachers in Münster, and after the election of the council had resulted in a victory for the evangelical party and the guilds in March 1533. Then a reformation was undertaken in an evangelical sense. For this reason church and disciplinary orders were to be created. Rothmann was entrusted with the working out of a church order. Even the strictly Lutheran John von der Wieck did not oppose him in spite of his suspicion that Rothmann was an Anabaptist.

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>the baskets remain

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