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cc972e No.585528

What do you guys make of vid related? (it's only short).

He claimed to have found the ark of the covenant near to where Jesus was crucified, and that there was blood found in the cave that was spilt from Christ on the cross through the earthquake-created crack in the ground onto the mercy seat.

Have any of you heard of this before? Is he a crackpot or have his discoveries impacted on your faith?

see for more info https://jonah135588.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/deathbed-confession-of-ron-wyatt-discoverer-of-the-ark-of-the-covenant/

67cffa No.585533

>>585528

>DNA found in Jesus's blood

Gee it's like He is fully man or something


49f84d No.585534

>>585528

It's interesting but I'd need to know a LOT more about

1. What he claimed to have a sample of

2. How he got it

3. What tests, exactly, were done

I don't see why he couldn't have 46 chromosomes, theologically. Half would just be of divine origin.


49f84d No.585535

>>585534

oh, and how the lab interpreted said tests


0929e6 No.585536

>>585528

This is bad. I heard the anti-Christ will be an imperfect clone of Christ.


c64313 No.585538

File: d24e37d28f9981b⋯.jpg (118.01 KB, 700x438, 350:219, eucharistic-miracles-700x4….jpg)

We already have the DNA of Jesus Christ from Eucharistic miracles.


49f84d No.585539

>>585538

blood type, not DNA, as I understand it

Maybe there's new data?


0a3afe No.585540

File: 4fc6a58e5296bcb⋯.jpg (30.84 KB, 250x250, 1:1, I truly hope that ye do no….jpg)

>>585528

>DNA

>From blood

>About 2000 years old

>Only assumptions that it's from Christ

Yeah, no.


cc972e No.585544

>>585533

come on m8 the title is shorthand I mean its the composition of the DNA that's of interest obvs not that there's DNA at all

>>585534

>1. What he claimed to have a sample of

The blood of Christ I think specifically claimed to have spilt when the Roman soldier pierced his side

>2. How he got it

Reading link related atm and apparently he was walking around the site of Golgotha and had a supernatural experience in which his arm shot out and point to a bit of the hill and said, beyond his control: “That’s Jeremiah’s Grotto and the Ark of the Covenant is in their!” After looking for and finding the ark in the caves he noticed the black substance on the mercy seat and the walls/cieling whose source was from the cracks above, which was below the site of the cross (indeed the blood spilt through the hole in the ground made to post the cross in, itself which had been cracked by the quake) https://arkofthecovenant2.blogspot.co.uk/

>3. What tests, exactly, were done

This I'm not sure but maybe I'll come across it in reading tonight or another time, presumably it was to find out the composition of the chromosomes.


49f84d No.585545

>>585544

This would be a major find! Has the church examined it?


ec6c01 No.585547

File: 3e44b8db78f8732⋯.jpg (54.75 KB, 408x495, 136:165, 1427681092075.jpg)

>>585536

>I heard

lol


8833dc No.585552

>>585538

> inb4 someone tries to put all pieces together


cc972e No.585560

>>585545

No as far as I'm aware, I assume/believe he is considered a crackpot and this happened decades ago (1982), and they sealed the site back up so no one could get to it


98961b No.585568

>>585552

Would that be the ultimate blasphemy? It would be extremely close in any case imo.


5a0cdc No.585665

>>585536

Like how Mewtwo was an imperfect clone of Mew? :^)


199e1b No.585689

>>585528

Not saying we should but what if someone cloned him?

>>585538

>meme dogma


ec6cf4 No.585695

>>585689

>Not saying we should but what if someone cloned him?

He'd probably just be a man with less genetic degradation.


8c2253 No.585704

>>585547

>>585665

He is referring to the Christ Clone trilogy.


5cd718 No.585705

>>585528

>Blog post

>CNN

>Israeli geneticists

FAKE NEWS

Also we already have Jesus' DNA, The Sudarium, was the piece of cloth that was wrapped around Jesus' head when he was put in the tomb and blood was recovered from it.

He's blood type is AB

same type as blood tested from Eucharistic miracles


c7ee92 No.585719

>cnn

fake news


076e94 No.585740

File: da7fa3117574cb3⋯.jpg (32.32 KB, 628x504, 157:126, concern.jpg)

>>585528

>fake news site

>CNN logo in corner

lol fugging jogers

Very, very, very much doubt this account.

Too convenient. Sounds awfully like crackpot-tier.

Would be great were it true, but … nah, mang, just nah.

Also, I'm not a geneticist, but I *think* chromosomes are MEANT to work in pairs in humans. Not sure, but I don't think we would be human if we only had one of the pair.


076e94 No.585742

>>585536

>I heard

You mean you read it in a trashy "Christian", airport novel


9292bf No.585747

>>585568

How would it be blasphemy? I'm curious.

Cross-testing the DNA (if any remains viable in all the eucharistic samples) and getting them all to match would pretty much prove beyond a doubt that Christ is real. I get that that's already the case for Christians, but for agnostics/atheists/etc. There would be no possible way the same genetic samples were available for all of these without Christianity having supernatural merit.


5a0cdc No.585752

Maybe God allowed such a thing as Eucharistic miracles and miracles that involve Christ's Blood in order to convert certain materialists. I know that as a person who has resolved to follow Christ, things like these have greatly strengthened my faith as a former materialist/agnostic-atheist. I do wish that the Vatican would appoint some sort of bodyguards for Christ's Blood and Flesh, though. While I don't believe in the idea that a possible Anti-Christ will be a clone of The Word Made Flesh, I still think that His Blood should be guarded against those with ill intent.


5cd718 No.585755

File: 8b7abc0be8e2812⋯.jpg (485.47 KB, 1960x1226, 980:613, swissguard.jpg)

>>585752

>I do wish that the Vatican would appoint some sort of bodyguards for Christ's Blood and Flesh, though.

They literally have a small army


0495ff No.585772

>>585755

The swiss guard are primarily for protecting the Pope, not the Eucharist.


98961b No.585793

>>585747

I don't know why but in my mind I appended "and clone Him" to the post


cc972e No.585809

>>585719

>cnn

>fake news

>>585740

>fake news site

>CNN logo in corner

lol, its actually got nothing to do with CNN, they have another video with the BBC logo on the screen cap for the vid and the "breaking news" thing from bbc as the background to the vid audio but it's clearly got nothing to do with BBC either, it is very disengenuous (although that\s the chanel, and not necessarily a reflection of Wyatt and his discovery)

>I *think* chromosomes are MEANT to work in pairs in humans. Not sure, but I don't think we would be human if we only had one of the pair.

Yeah you might be right, would be good to find out/know more on this


cc972e No.585811

>>585705

It's my understanding that the DNA information from blood that's been dead for so long is not going to be preserved and rather be corrupted/break down over time. I don't know what tests have been undertaken on the samples aquired from the shroud and/or the Sudarium (or indeed Eucharistic miracles) but the point of this sample from the mercy seat and the cave is that it was living blood, and therefore the DNA info was preserved and not yet broken down by time or corrupted etc.


3ededa No.585828

>>585528

>cnn

>israeli geneticists

not worth looking into


1c60d3 No.585844

File: 3dac50e9758bbdd⋯.jpg (107.22 KB, 500x833, 500:833, 1stwavetimeline2.jpg)

>>585536

It seems more likely that the Antichrist is Abaddon, who is currently imprisoned in the Abyss.


1c60d3 No.585846

>>585560

>>585544

Definitely a crackpot. Once he got plenty of cash in "donations" from people he took to see the grotto, he conveniently couldn't find it. (((((No refunds)))))


5cd718 No.585855

>>585772

They are most definitely guards for the entirety of Vatican city, escorting the Pope isn't their only duty. The Vatican also has it's own police force as well that does security detailing like any other cop would.

I'm not arguing with you on this cause its about as pointless as arguing about the security flaws of Fort Knox.

>>585811

It's my understanding IIRC that human beings generally can't walk on water, raise the dead, turn water into wine & resurrect themselves from the dead. I can't be 100% sure about that so I'll have to Google it to double check but it didn't stop Jesus. I don't see why His blood would be constrained to natural law.

Are you an atheist?

>>585844

>6000 year old Earth

>Nephilim

>>>/fringe/

(((Implying the anti-Christ isn't a Jewish person)))

>>>/Oven/


1c60d3 No.585856

>>585855

Nephilim aren't fringe, please read Jude 6.

Whatever the antichrist is, I have no doubt that the Synagogue of Satan will accept him as the messiah. But the idea of the antichrist being a clone of Jesus is fan-fiction.net tier retarded.


c64313 No.585857

>>585689

you belong to a meme denomination


1c60d3 No.585858

>>585857

Could you provide me with any links/PDFs on these miracles? After that one post on the Shroud, I am convinced of its authenticity. I'd like to know more.


5cd718 No.585859

>>585856

>Jude 6

The epistle of St. Jude is only one page, read the whole thing because its definitely not talking about nephilim. At the very least read verse 5 because that puts it into context.

St. Jude is admonishing (warning) the faithful of the Simonian (way of Cain), Nicolaition (error of Balaam)and Gnostic (contradiction of core) heresies [see verse 11] that were going around at that time.

He is saying that just how God freed the Jews of Egypt but then destroyed them when they fell away, He will do to the same to the faithful if they fall into these heresies.

Just like how God cast the angels out of Heaven into hell when they rebelled so He will also cast the faithful into hell if they fall into these heresies.

I know I'm probably not gonna get through to you cause you'd rather listen to YouTube videos that show you photoshopped pics of big giant spoopy skeletons that make the world seem a lot more exciting & cool than it really is, I get how its appealing but it's not accurate.


48cfe0 No.585872

>>585859

>I know I'm probably not gonna get through to you cause you'd rather listen to YouTube videos that show you photoshopped pics of big giant spoopy skeletons that make the world seem a lot more exciting & cool than it really is, I get how its appealing but it's not accurate.

I can’t stand those videos, actually. I feel you want to discuss any of this in detail, feel free to make an angelology thread or something. I will listen to your analysis of the text, and I will present mine, and we can discuss this in a civil manner. I agree on everything you have said on Jude, there’s just one particular detail that I find is often ignored.


48cfe0 No.585873

>>585872

*if you want to discuss this


cc972e No.585956

File: 6f8f4246fab3402⋯.png (247.23 KB, 760x572, 190:143, 6f8f4246fab340269b6916a784….png)

>>585846

pic related (i.e. do you have any links/source for this?)

>>585844

where is this timeline from?

>>585855

>It's my understanding IIRC…

>I don't see why His blood would be constrained to natural law.

what's your point? I'm clearly open to that very suggestion, particularly considering that according to this account and the tests run on the sample the blood was old enough to have broken down DNA information, and yet it had not broken down but rather apparently had 24 chromosomes rather than the required 46…


cc972e No.585957

>>585956

>accidental sage

bump


aeb6f0 No.585996

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

The blood is type is AB+.


4b2c76 No.586019

>>585996

I would expect Jesus' blood type to be O-.


9292bf No.586058

>>586019

ab+ works more symbolically.

You see, 0- is a universal donor, yes, but ab+ is the universal recipient. Original sin is passed simply by nature of birth, so you can sort of say it's bloodborne (clumsy metaphor but work with me here). Jesus, capable of receiving blood from all of mankind, died for all sins, being biologically capable of receiving the blood of all mankind. Or something. I'm kind of a novice here.


2df852 No.586063

>DNA found in Jesus's blood

Is it red or clear? Which blood? This post >>585705 makes me lean towards it being fake and gay.


c64313 No.586172

File: aa2a4e78d49e572⋯.png (3.91 MB, 1292x8757, 1292:8757, turin.png)

>>585858

Sure, I'd be happy to, brother! I'll add the information on the Shroud of Turin for any possible lurkers.

First I'll link you to a great article that addresses the Real Presence: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

I don't know of any comprehensive list of miracles, but there have been so many that have been confirmed by the Vatican. There was also a recent one in Poland as well in Argentina in the diocese that was led by Bishop Bergoglio (Pope Francis when he was still a bishop):

(1) https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/eucharistic-miracles-evidence-of-the-real-presence-0

(2) https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/eucharistic-miracles-confirm-real-presence-of-jesus-christ

(3) https://churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/

(4) http://catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2017/06/15/how-eucharistic-miracles-show-christs-blood-type/

If you want to look deeper into a specific Eucharistic miracle that might interest you, the Wikipedia pages for the miracles have some sources and research links on the bottom.

May God bless you! Please always feel free to ask us any questions!


faf699 No.586173

File: 22d13705991572d⋯.jpg (59.07 KB, 412x398, 206:199, I came here to laugh at yo….jpg)

>>585528

>erRONeous Wyatt

Yeah….

>mfw

>>585538

>mfw

You have no way of knowing whose DNA that is since you don't of an objective reference point. Notice that I didn't attack the validity of blood, but attacking the supposed source, which I guarantee you is demonic. It can't be from God for your Eucharist is blasphemy to God.

>>585859

>read the whole thing because its definitely not talking about nephilim.

Not true! You obviously read the whole letter without paying attention.

>At the very least read verse 5 because that puts it into context.

"At the very least" implies that more than verse 5 proves your point if you were right. Jude is a short letter, so tell us the rest of the argument if you have it.

As for verses 5-7, why do you think the flow has to be chronological, why, I assume, you believe verse 6 does not refer to nephilim? The Hebrews did not place priority on chronology. You ignored Jude 8 and a key word: ὡς or hós which means like, as, something similar to. This connects verse 7 with verse 8. The angels' crime was like Sodom and Gommorah? The angels and the wicked cities went after strange flesh (angels with humans and men with other men and finally attempting to rape two angels). The Jewish audience would recognize only one clear place where angels could have done such a thing: the story of the nephilim in Genesis.

But there's more! One important truth of Jewish writing is parallelism: restating one idea in another way. Look at the next two examples: the body of Moses and Enoch's prophesy. Notice something? The first story is after the next. The examples in 5 and 6? The first is after the next. Parallelism, which would be lost if Jude did not refer to the nephilim.


faf699 No.586174

>>586173

I dun goofed.

*don't have an objective reference point


83a443 No.586177

>>586173

You're gonna get banned lmao


c64313 No.586181

File: 11fd0d14b6209f6⋯.jpg (130.03 KB, 681x960, 227:320, 123913293421.jpg)

>>586173

>You have no way of knowing whose DNA that is since you don't of an objective reference point

The isolation of DNA from a blood sample is a very simple process and each resulting DNA sample yielded in the isolation from the samples of blood found to be sourced from the Eucharist are matching in each Eucharistic miracle case. Some of these DNA samples are from Eucharistic miracles 1,300 years apart and the DNA matches each time along with the very rare blood type of AB positive.

>Notice that I didn't attack the validity of blood, but attacking the supposed source, which I guarantee you is demonic.

<The Catholics might be right, so I'll just call it demonic.

Are you going to call the Shroud of Turn to be demonic, as well? Please take a look at my post here >>586172

>It can't be from God for your Eucharist is blasphemy to God.

<"‘Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed’" (John 6:47-55).

<"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, ‘This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant of my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’ For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes" (1 Cor. 11:23-26).

<"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord" (1 Cor. 11:27).

Next are you going to say that Jesus Christ didn't mean what he said and that Christians since the first century AD have been wrong to believe in the Real Presence? The Roman Pagans thought that early Christians were cannibals because they believed in the Real Presence. It's very interesting, actually, I definitely recommend for anyone here to look it up.

>>586177

I'll give him a chance for now :^).


40e196 No.586193

>>585528

I've heard of him, OP. Watched his documentary on the discovery of the Ark, too. Pretty compelling, tbh, but I don't know if I believe it. He says the Israeli stole it from him to prevent the implications from spreading.

>>585568

Could you imagine if they used his DNA in the creation of one of those pig-human clone chimeras?

>>585536

>implying the immaculate DNA of Mary could be a part of the anti-Christ abomination


4e2be1 No.586246

It better be AB-




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