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>when all you have to defend your religion is text

>>583637

well, standard response to this is

>Apostles died for this

No, seriously, some got eaten by lions, some were crucified, some were flayed to death. You wont die for a lie that you know is a lie.

>>583648

the thread closed before i could mop the floor with him.

>>583649

Athists don`t seem to get this

>>583646

God knows what these fags come up with after.

>>583637

>How does one respond to retard?

Matthew 10:14

>>583648

>when all you have for historical figures is text

So much for Julius Caesar, Napoleon, or Cleopatra.

>>583648

You can't really prove anything right besides from text from before the camera existed you retard

>>583646

Playing devil's advocate here

>What about sources that report that Christians believed that Jesus was resurrected, but the author don't believe it himself?

>>583637

I dont have video or photos of Alexander the Great, therefore he doent exist

>>583660

bonus points. Facts are facts. It rustles my jimmies that atheists will only believe someone who is not believer and that sounds exactly how they are used to. Seems similar to swj, every opinion matters if it is similar to our.

>>583655

Except much more sources, respectable historians as sources instead as fishers, and no hallucinatory things

>>583660

Hey fellow sane-minded people, look at those stoners lol

>>583660

That's a good question. This would actually be evidence in our favor, as it would show that Christians didn't make up the resurrection later on. Oftentimes, these sources will bring up facts arguing for our side (the missing body being the most popular).

Also, even if these sources aren't helpful, they aren't detrimental. We would have to look at why people made their claims.

>>583665

This btw

>>583660

Out of curiosity, I took a quick look at this, my emphasis added

Tacitus, Annals 15.44

>Nero fastened the guilt … on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of … Pontius Pilatus, and a MOST MISCHEVIOUS SUPERSTITION, thus checked for the moment, again BROKE OUT NOT ONLY IN JUDAEA, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome.

What could be this 'superstition' that broke in Judaea?

Babylonian Talmud, vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a

>On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald … cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and ENTICED ISRAEL TO APOSTASY."

What did they mean by this?

Josephus, Antiquities, 18.63-64*

>About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he … wrought surprising feats…. He was the Christ. When Pilate …condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. ON THE THIRD DAY HE APPEARED … RESTORED TO LIFE…. And the tribe of Christians … has … not disappeared.

*This account may have been altered to some extent, it is not certain.

>>583664

>moving the goalposts

>any year

>>583673

>Josephus, Antiquities, 18.63-64*

>*This account may have been altered to some extent, it is not certain.

I hope not. I'm beginning to like the guy

>>583664

>Except much more sources,

Holy shit you're a dumbass. There's more writings about Jesus than any other oerson ever

>>583664

>>583648

Mods = Saints

>>583637

You tell him to have a nice day and then pray for him to receive wisdom from God to have his eyes opened.

>>583664

You cannot, by a matter of fact, prove that Napoleon was not a fictional character or his wars not a made-up plotline to defend the Ancien Régime.

>>583637

Lot of people who followed him sure would rather die than deny him.

>>583637

Moving the goal post. lol

>>583637

Call him out that by these standards he doesn't believe in anything that happened prior to the 20th century. Tell him he's insane.