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3e26df No.574656

Can someone explain this? I am finding it difficult to take this leap of faith. Give me a website with tables or whatever that tells me intellectually why christianity is the best. Clear and concrete. I have heard many people get saved through intellectual means, and I want to see this.

fe3aee No.574663

The bible is the greatest source of wisdom on this earth. If it isn't enough for you then I would be afraid.


c70db0 No.574664

File: 405fd418c04296c⋯.png (1.44 MB, 1089x653, 1089:653, 3d5f760c7dea77b4ae968c2b99….png)

>>574663

>King Solomon converted people by quoting the bible and never writing any wisdom

>The Prophets converted people by quoting the bible

>Jesus Christ converted people by quoting the bible

>The Apostles converted people by quoting the bible

Christianity is gasping and we punched it. Christiantiy is bleeding and its doctors do not know how to tend its wounds. Blood flows out but the doctors only hand over a placebo.


eb5bb2 No.574665

>>574656

because God incarnated so that we might become godlike again


b041e8 No.574668

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>>574656

The Tao is the greatest of things we can achieve to learn of, and this very Tao, known as the Logos in Greek wisdom, became flesh. The visible Son of the invisible Father, God, has become man so that man may attain to God, something man cannot do by himself. He is wisdom incarnate, eternal and pre-existent. He is the King of kings, the Lord of lords. He is the most loving friend, the most merciful ruler, the most just judge. All things done by God are done by the Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit. All things are from Him, through Him, and in Him, and they will return to Him in these last days. Many have already returned to Him, whether in this life or in the next, but ultimately all will be bathed in God's very being and face eternal judgment, to life or to death.

Christianity embodies all that is objectively admirable in all philosophies, religions, and ideologies. Christianity is where all things find their fulfillment. Christianity is the only path to salvation.

We have found the perfect way to lead to God intellectually - Christian scholasticism. We have found the perfect way to attain to God spiritually - Christian mysticism. We have the world's greatest beauty. We have the world's greatest writings. We have the world's greatest piousness. The world has tried to crush us countless times, and we have always survived, because we are an inextinguishable light of salvation, put in place by God for the world so that none should perish but all may be saved.

Is it intellectual means alone that would bring you to us? Study early Christianity and see that there are only very low chances that the Resurrection did not really happen, or that the apostles made it up. If then a man really did come back to life after three days, fulfilling Jewish prophecies, surely we should listen to him, right?

See also Thomas Aquinas's arguments for the existence of God.

>>574664

RA is kino


fe3aee No.574670

>>574664

Point me to a man alive today who actually has God speaking to them directly like the prophets had. We literally have the word of God and you believe it is insufficient for conversion?


f1a17e No.574671

>>574668

Syncretins get out


c70db0 No.574673

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>>574668

>We have found the perfect way to lead to God intellectually - Christian scholasticism

>Orthodox flag


b041e8 No.574674

>>574668

>piousness

piety*

>>574671

Not all Christian traditions have all of these. It's up to them to get what they're lacking. Others already have them.

>>574673

Orthodox scholasticism never died out since St. John Damascene, you know. Aquinas is very well received as well, although he is interpreted in light of Palamas. We don't have Orthodox Thomism, but we have Orthodox scholasticism.


c70db0 No.574677

>>574670

Yes, I believe you can't just convert someone by giving them the bible.

Go be a cultural christian elsewhere.


fe3aee No.574691

>>574677

Well, you're wrong the word of God is what converted me. You believe God's word is impotent and insufficient, but I'm the cultural christian for knowing it has power. Define irony.


3c67e7 No.574695

>>574691

Not everyone has faith as you do. I certainly didn't become Christian after reading the Bible, it was only after deconstructing the modern world did I begin.


17e91f No.574712

File: b859ed57c2e810f⋯.pdf (11.47 MB, Summa Theologica.pdf)

>>574656

This book is exactly what you need. You better have autism though, it's over 4000 pages long.


17e91f No.574714

File: 934d6506eab71db⋯.pdf (989.66 KB, The Everlasting Man.pdf)

>>574712

Forgot to mention this book is really good too and it's much shorter.


f340bc No.574858

>>574665

this


708f0f No.574889

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>>574656


9249ed No.574944

>>574712

what's with the catholic obsession of defining everything to the n-th degree?

>implying man can understand the miracle of the Eucharist in any capability at all, among many other things

also i love how he extensively quotes pagan philosophers, and only (rarely) quotes church fathers to try and prove them wrong

legalist crypto jews smh


17e91f No.574946

>>574944

>i love how he extensively quotes pagan philosophers, and only (rarely) quotes church fathers

That's because he wrote most of that as a manual on how to answer the questions of non-believers, who wouldn't care, or in many cases even know, about the Church Fathers but would know and respect the ancient Greek philosophers.


c70db0 No.574947

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>>574944

>We're made in God's image

>Except for the mind, that part is unable to understand God at all

>Actually never mind what I just said, no mind is able to understand God at all


f66d3b No.574981

>>574947

There is no contradiction here at all.

It is categorically impossible for the creature to fully comprehend the creator, much less God as we know Him. It follows however, that the creator can perfect comprehend all the ways and the means of His creation.

If the mind could perfectly encapsulate God, then what's the point of Christ? Or how could we sin?

Or do you have some stupid anime girl reaction to this too?

>>574944

The belief in the Eucharist is tantamount to the belief that man is both Spirit + Body. You cannot see souls, neither can you behold the Host as Christ's body, but we know it is. You could even say we did not see Christ rise on the third day, but we also know He did.

If you have a problem with the life of a saint, you should consider the idea that you may be in error.


d2f73b No.574999

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>>574944

>This is my body this is my blood - Jesus

>So the eucharist is the body and blood of Christ!

>UGH WHY DO YOU DEFINE EVERYTHING SO MUCH


e58c8f No.575110

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>>574981

>this argument again

yawn


e4b0fc No.575138

>>574656

>Give me a website with tables or whatever that tells me intellectually why christianity is the best

Nope. Not how it works.

This isn't a "marketplace of religions" because only one can be fully true.

It is what is true that matters, not what is "best"


c61320 No.575147

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>>574981

You're making the basic logical error, WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW = WE CAN'T KNOW EVER, even if you don't know you're making it right now.

Even angels can know this stuff. Here, watch:

1 Peter 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

What would be the point a angel to look into those things, if its mind does not understand?

Keeping up with the argument, if nobody can understand God, then not even Seraphs understand his love, and if Seraphs do not understand his love, then Church knowledge and wrong.

>Or do you have some stupid anime girl reaction to this too?

As a matter of fact, I do, salty guy.

I also declare that you're a Palamist and son of Palamist and therefore not worth replying to further.


1c87ec No.575161

>>575110

>>575147

>implying >>574981 doesn't completely contradict Palamas

Which part of the Triads makes you think that he's a Palamite anyway?


71ee2c No.575278

>>574691

Are you referring to the bible as the Word of God? The Word of God is our lord and savior Jesus Christ, eternal and divine.

If you want to talk about the scriptures, remember, they're divinely inspired but are -not- the Word of God, according to the scriptures themselves. See John 1


ec757f No.575284

>>575278

behold_your_god.webm


f66d3b No.575442

>>575110

…except, I am arguing from the perspective of a Thomist Catholic, I'm not sure what you're kvetching about. I think c61320 just confused me.

>>575147

I think what really happened here, is that your green-text, anime-girl babble is confusing and muddles the waters, so one does not actually know what you're even saying, or what view-point you even support.

I think I misunderstood your hentai post by confusing "understanding" w/ "knowing".


c70476 No.575518

>>574656

Because it's true.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY&v=rml5Cif01g4


b49a2b No.575589

>why is christianity the best?

Christianity is the truth. It's not a matter of being the 'best' or not. If you seek the truth, then you will find it. If you seek the 'best', you may as well believe whatever suits your opinion or preference.

John 14:6

>6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


ae2f8f No.575591

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>>575442

You got me, I actually meant that you can understand and know



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