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>>570746

Limitations of human language? I don't know.

He's never called that in scripture. Also it has the same problem as calling Mary the mother of God. It could be interpreted as implying that there was a time when the Word didn't exist or wasn't God.

>>570755

The problem we have with not calling her the mother of God is that it implies she only gave birth to His human nature, which causes a separation in his divine and human natures

>>570755

>Not understanding that there simultaneously is and isn't a time when there was and wasn't God

>Not realizing that since the birth of Jesus Christ God is both Uncreated and Created

>>570789

4 CORNER

SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY

4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4

>>570789

>simultaneously is and isn't

>was and wasn't

>is both Uncreated and Created

nah

It's not theologically incorrect to say "the Father of God". I guess it's more to give a unique charactaristic to each person of the trinity. Also never heard "God the Holy Spirit"

>>570746

Because the Father is God-all-God. He is the center of the Trinity and of our worship. He generates the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are "from" him in that the Son is begotten and the Holy Spirit is a passive spiration. This is why we say Jesus is the "Son of God" and why the Holy Spirit can be called "The Spirit of God" but we do not say the Father is "of God" in any sense.

This is not to limit either the Son or Holy Spirit as both are equally God and aren't subordinate to the Father except relationally. But, they both have their being because of the Father and both point us to the Father. In a sense the Father may be called "first among equals."

>>570746

it's implied whenever someone says "Father" about God.

>>570746

As this guy >>570799 has said, the Father doesn't have a begotten-by relationship with respect to God. God the Father is the unknowable and inconceivable person of the Godhead who eternally generates the Son.

How could the unknowable God be prior to Himself? If He is the First Cause of all things, then there can be no Cause before Him. Recasting "the Father" as "the Father of God" seems completely heretical to me, since it implies that the Father is knowable and manifested of something higher, which is NOT a characteristic of the Father but rather of the Son.

>>570796

No, it's definitely blasphemous to think this way. You should NEVER innovate something beyond the scriptures unless you actually have philosophical reasoning for it. In this case, "The Father of God" is both anti-scriptural and anti-philosophical, and we should not say it.

>>570809

>>570811

This exactly. "Father of God" is very theologically incorrect.

>>570796

To say"Father of God" would assume that the Father is generated from another person, which is blasphemous because then we would have to say the either the Son or Holy Spirit in some way generate the Father, which wouldn't make any logical sense, or we would have to postulate the existence of a fourth person in the Godhead who could generate the Father. This is blasphemy.

Father has primacy over the Son and Holy Spirit since they proceed from him.

Father is the ONE TRUE GOD, according to Christ, who is also God, but the father is greater than He.

>>570888

If one wants justification for papal primacy, one need look no further than the Godhead and the monarchy of the Father who is first among equals

>>571050

By that logic the pope does not have a primacy of jurisdiction

>>571066

furthermore everyone would be equally and fully Pope.

>>570746

As we proclaim in creed "We believe in one God, the Father Almighty (…) And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father (…) And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father". Father is priciple without principle, cause and source of Trinity. While Son and Spirit are of him, he is of noone.

>>570755

> Also it has the same problem as calling Mary the mother of God.

She is though: And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.

>It could be interpreted as implying that there was a time when the Word didn't exist or wasn't God.

Noone who call Mary Mother of God belives this save few heretics from Arabia in VI/VII century.

>>571075

>the trinity is caused

>"proceeding" = causation

UHH ANON

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>571076

To put it in analogy (and best one since it was made by God) of imago dei in us: the mind, and the knowledge by which it knows itself, and the love by which it loves itself. Mind is of course principle of both self-knowlege and self-love and both of them are caused by Mind, proceding from it. But all three of them are co-existing since begining. There were no time when self-knowlege was not, nethier self-love began to exist in other moment than Mind did.

>>571110

>and best one since it was made by God

Anon, I hate to break it to you, but Thomas Aquinas isn't God