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Gospel Harmony? Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 00:30:01 ed2aa6 No.569806

Why is it so sketchy? Why does papias and Ireneus even seem to think Matthew was originally in Hebrew, yet we have no copy of this in sight? At first glance, or even looking at even not totally uncharitably, gospel harmony does seem to be a bit tricky. I mean augustine didn't have to write a whole work on it if it was that apparent that they weren't conflicting. Why did God choose this as the best way for us to receive our scripture? It seems like he could have clearly done some improvements. But God does the best course of action. It's puzzling, and it understandably can introduce quite a bit of doubt into peoples' mind. There already are many other avenues for doubt, so why did this have to be the way it is? Looking for an answer other than "thats how God wanted it".

Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 09:41:38 4e5f51 No.569972

>>569806

Papyrus only lasts 150 years. Why would people make copies of a dead language version when the universal language version is available. St Jerome and Eusebius attest to a Hebrew/Aramaic version of matthew being brought from India to the library In caesarea and it is thought that st Jerome used it to help translate the vulgate. So if you want to get at the Hebrew roots then read the vulgate.

Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 09:56:46 802d7a No.569975

>>569806

Papias could have been taking about a whole different work when he spoke of a Hebrew version of Matthew. Perhaps the Matthew we have now in the NT was inspired by this original work and maybe where it got some of its original material from. We just don't know. We do know of a second Gospel of Matthew in the early Church used by the heretical Ebionites called the "Gospel of the Hebrews." Doubtfully this is what Papias was referring to but maybe it like the canonical Gospel of Matthew found its inspiration/source from an original Gospel of Matthew actually written in Hebrew that is now lost.

Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 11:22:09 843327 No.569987

>>569806

> it understandably can introduce quite a bit of doubt into peoples' mind

only if their faith is self-induced, and materialistic, and not authentically from God.

Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 11:52:41 0e501b No.569990

>>569806

What specific conflicts in content are you concerned about? I can't think of any that are worrisome–just some superficial differences in wording.

Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 12:46:44 372e01 No.569996

> so why did this have to be the way it is?

Maybe to make clear that the Church needs an hierarchy to correctly interpret the Bible.

Christanon 12/08/17 (Fri) 14:05:43 c9e8e2 No.570022

>>569806

According to legend, when the Apostle Thomas and Andrew reached India they brought with them the Hebrew version of Matthew. Maybe if you ask around, you could encourage people in India to find it.

Christanon 12/09/17 (Sat) 23:38:02 3b8ac1 No.570781

I haven't watched it yet, but this series would likely be of value if you're interested in both the wider question (as per your OP) but probably also specific contradictions if you are also wondering about them:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL97D4FC19559B634B

See also InspiringPhilosphy's vids on YT about supposed bible contradictions which includes ones on the gospels: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TXRZs52bpnVfiPM9TD_Ukfo

There's also a book/vids etc. called Cold Case Christianity, which again I haven't looked into but is written by a former police detective who took a police detective approach with the gospels and found where they differ and contradict is exactly where you'd expect them to as a set of (or being based on) eyewitness accounts.

Christanon 12/10/17 (Sun) 01:09:58 ed2aa6 No.570831

>>569996

This is the only thing I could have thought of myself.

>>569987

stupid answer

>>569975

my question is that why wouldn't God have preserved the original language of Matthew if it was written so.

>>570781

thanks, will check it out

Christanon 12/11/17 (Mon) 00:40:09 aaa993 No.571336

>>569806

The Q document might have been originally Aramaic.

Christanon 12/11/17 (Mon) 00:49:19 09e642 No.571342

>>571336

Assuming that this even existed, I think the Q "document" wasn't really a "document" as such and more of a tradition that the Apostles spread quickly. I think it's hypothesised that Q was originally an oral tradition which was later written by Matthew and Mark to begin with.