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>>567516

>So what happens after death?

Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

>>567516

It rests from this degenerate world.

Does not mean soul sleep.

>>567521

So I'm still aware, but just waiting in heaven with Jesus and angels?

>>567522

Yes.

But it doesn't mean that you'll enjoy to be in presence of God if you are unrepentant if you know what I mean.

>>567516

Definition of rest

1 : repose, sleep; specifically : a bodily state characterized by minimal functional and metabolic activities

Dan 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 "For the living know they shall die: but the dead know not any thing."

Ecclesiastes 12:7, "then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it."

Psalm 146:4, "His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish".

Psalm 115:17, "The dead do not praise the Lord, nor any who go down into silence"

Psalm 6:5 "For in death there is no remembrance of Thee; in the grave who shall give Thee thanks?"

Ezek. 18:4, "the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

Job 14:10,12,14 "But man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last and where is he?… So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep… If a man dies, shall he live again?"

Deuteronomy 31:16 - "And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them."

2 Samuel 7:12 - "And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom."

Job 7:21 "And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be."

1 Kings 1:21 - "Otherwise it shall come to pass, when my lord the king shall sleep with his fathers, that I and my son Solomon shall be counted offenders."

Job 7:21 - "And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be."

Psalms 13:3 - "Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;"

Psalms 30:9 "What will you gain from my death? What profit from my going to the grave? Are dead people able to praise you? Can they proclaim your unfailing goodness?"

Psalms 76:6 - "At thy rebuke, O God of Jacob, both the chariot and horse are cast into a dead sleep."

Isaiah 57:2 "Those who live good lives find peace and rest in death."

Jeremiah 51:39 - "In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD."

Jeremiah 51:57 - "And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts."

Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

>>567530

Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"

1 Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

1 Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

2 Timothy 1:10 "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

>>567532

John 6:39 "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Luke 20:37 "Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob."

Matthew 22:28-30 "Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Phil. 3:11 "If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."

1 Corinthians 15:22-23 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

John 5:29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation [condemnation]."

>>567532

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>>567535

So the state of death is akin to sleep. The dead know nothing. The dead do not remember God. The dead do not thank God. The first lie the devil told was "ye shall not surely die". Souls can die. The wages of sin is death. God gives his people a gift of immortality. We are mortal and must 'put on' immortality in order to be immortal. The soul can be destroyed by God. At the last day there will be a resurrection. Christ was the firstfruits of the resurrection.

Believe it or don't, that's what the book says though.

>>567538

So it is soulsleep?

>>567541

I wouldn't use that term, it's usually used as a perjorative and isn't technically accurate. But when you die you are truly dead and not conscious until the resurrection. Conditional immortality.

>>567541

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>>567545

The spiritually dead know nothing. Those who are spiritually alive know God.

>Luke 23:42 And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.

> this day thou shalt be with me in paradise

>this day

>>567522

There's more to Heaven than simply existing.

>>567538

Your exegesis is as good as the Document Foundation's keeping track of community votes. Too tired to respond thoroughly right now.

>>567538

Before the Resurrection death had a hold on humanity and the dead lost consciousness; after the harrowing of hell, the dead sleep no longer.

>>567538

So we just sleep until God says wake up?

>>567548

>Luke 23:42 And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. And Jesus said to him: Amen, I say to thee this day, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

No commas in Greek. Translators chose where to place them based on their preconceived notions.

>>567545

>But when you die you are truly dead and not conscious until the resurrection.

So what does that mean, do I just not experience any of the time in between and suddenly wake up in God's kingdom?

>>567568

Basically, that's my understanding.