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>>564541

Patience is a virtue.

>>564541

I don't know about the rest of /christian/, but I think I resolved this:

>But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

>The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:8-9 KJV

2000 years since Christ, so it has been 2 days in Heaven. 6000 years according to biblical timeline is how long creation has existed, so it has existed for 6 days from the perspective of Heaven. Christ rose on the 3rd day, and it appears he will soon return on the 3rd day. The 3rd day is the 7th day of the "week" of creation, and after the 7th day is finished, and Satan finally vanquished, God the Father will come down and live with his people for all eternity, which is curiously enough represented by going into an 8th day.

8, as in, the infinity sign turned upwards. Thoughts anybody?

Age of earth (in 2000 AD) would be very close to 7,315 years.

Preterists say that he came in judgement within the lives of some of those Christ spoke to, at the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD. This interpretation solves all the time statements in the New Testament indicating something happening soon.

>>564596

Don't take the 1 day = 1000 years part as mathematically literal. It could just as easily be 1 million years–the point is that God exists outside of time.

Also note that Arabic numerals were invented in the year 500 and the infinity symbol was adopted in 1655, so looking into meanings of an 8th day is pointless.

>>564681

This would be a separate event from the second coming where the dead are raised btw. There are some preterists who believe all prophecy has been fulfilled but most are what is called partial preterists; they believe God judged Jerusalem as part of prophecy but the second coming is still to be fulfilled at some point (basically they think that is the only prophecy yet unfulfilled).

>>564684

>Don't take the 1 day = 1000 years part as mathematically literal. It could just as easily be 1 million years–the point is that God exists outside of time.

Righteo, fair enough.

>Also note that Arabic numerals were invented in the year 500 and the infinity symbol was adopted in 1655, so looking into meanings of an 8th day is pointless.

Not necessarily so, this is the God of all creation after all. He has set all things in order.

If you're taking geological time, then yes "soon" could be hundreds of millions of years. But we neither know the time or the hour. Could be five minutes from now, could be five millennia. Be prepared always

Maybe we should measure time based off of how it is seen by the creator of time, and maybe we should look for how He sees time in a book written under His inspiration. Or we could meme about the age of space rocks

>>564541

>That would be the equivalent of waiting 1.3 billion years given the scientific dating of the earth.

Dating ist flawed.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

>>564681

Would you mind explaining to me exactly how this works?

>>564814

I'm not an expert but you could watch this documentary or read the articles here:

https://www.preteristarchive.com/category/modern-preterism/

The idea is that first century Jerusalem was prophetic Babylon. Usually Nero is identified as the beast of Revelation although there are some other opinions on that. The siege of Jerusalem at 70 AD is said to have been what was prophesied by Christ in Matthew 24:1-34. Also there is an argument made that Revelation was written before 70 AD rather than in 95 AD as popularly believed, and therefore it is also said to prophesy the destruction of Jerusalem.

>>564541

If life on earth is suffering, maybe you could think of 1/3rd of the time as 'the end time' because you've already soldiered through way more than half of it. That's how I sometimes think about it.

>>564839

Thank you very much. Interesting. polite sage for not adding anything to discussion

IT’S YOUR DEATH…

That is the second coming of Christ.

It’s coming sooner than you expect. Be ready.

>>564541

>Lots of verses in gospel and epistles suggest that the disciples thought the second coming was close at hand. Some undefined ' soon ' amount.

and it was for them. for after death they immediately met Christ again.

what happens next after one has died? they partake in the judgement. it is the only sequence of event

protestants interpreted it wrong. They thought they could hasten the second coming. What they didn't realize was it that it is the very subsequent event after death

>>564596

<Heaven.

>not heaven

Re-read Genesis 1:1,7-8,14 KJV. Note the capitilization of heaven and Heaven.

>>564681

>Preterists say that he came in judgement within the lives of some of those Christ spoke to, at the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:24-27

>>564985

You jest, but you are not far from the truth. Read Revelation 6:11.

>>565002

>protestants interpreted it wrong. They thought they could hasten the second coming. What they didn't realize was it that it is the very subsequent event after death

Define death. Which death? Which body? Read 1 corinthians 15:35-44.

>>564751

No, carbon dating isn't flawed. It's just the conclusions based off the evidence is wrong. The physical dirt used for the earth is a unknown length of time old but more then 8000. But the earth was without form and void and then formed in seven literal days as stated by genesis 1:2-31. With it's creation happening in genesis 1:1. Things could have happened in between those verses.

Because there were no more prophecies and stuff after Revelation

>autists yet again fail to understand the moral teachings Jesus is giving us and read everything as if it's an action novel

>>571761

Radiocarbon dating dates organic matter like old wood and flesh. It's only useful up to about 40,000 years back because of the nature of the radioactive decay process involved. So radiocarbon is good for human history and much of recent prehistory. For older materials you use other radioactive materials in the sample like uranium. On a geological timeframe radiocarbon isn't very useful.

>>572065

>making my point

Read ezekiel 31. That's what happened in between genesis 1:1 and the rest of genesis 1:2-31. Old earth and seven day literal re-formation of the earth.

>>572391

>Young earthers are the worst mistake in the Christian world since the (((Reformation))).

>Implying young earthers only became a thing since the Reformation, when it was the majority opinion for most of Christian history

>>572407

So where some other things, such as the flat earth, or skepticism that anything lay beyond the Atlantic ocean. These things have been proven wrong and the Church has always adapted, so why can't the young earthers do so now?

As a side note, I've always wanted to visit one of their museums. Being an archaeologist with a great interest in paleontology and geology, it should make for some good laughs.

>>572413

please excuse my misspellings. I deeply apologize.

>>572413

Wasn't there something about some of the first European explorers slaughtering the natives because they thought they weren't descended from any of the three Noahic races, and were therefore animals? I recall that distinctly, but I don't know where.

>>572407

I suppose you believe in the Trail of Blood as well?

>>572421

That is glorious. I might just have to take a road trip specifically to visit.

>>572421

>ark equid

When will flood geologists stop making all these assumptions.

What wrong with big bang?

>>572487

You misunderstand, it's meant as a mockery of countless children's literature depicting the standard "bathtub ark" rather than as a gigantic box. Just an extravagant pot-shot.

>>564596

>Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

>3rd day is already here

God's brick joke.