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7225fe No.564435

i got a quick question about these bands who have such a massive following, are they really christian or are they soft washed bands who do not dare to sing about something controversial.

Bands like the Reformers, Impending doom, For today and many other of these hardcore christian bands, i really feel at peace about what they sing, it feels for me they sing out of the deepest depht of their heart and criticize the world about what they are doing like homosexuality and other things like that.

alright brothers discuss i am ready to hear your opinion ion this matter.

b92845 No.564437

>>564435

*repeats bridge and chorus for 45 minutes*


b92845 No.564439

>>564435

Tbh I guess they are ok, I don't think they would be used liturgically. I do wish they would pack a bit more in in the time allowed.


d70ad4 No.564441

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oh boy time to post my favorite christian subgenre: CHRISTIAN METALCORE


d70ad4 No.564442

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or we could have this blast from the past


caeb50 No.564452

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>>564435

>This is the 987th time were having this thread.


3beed1 No.564518

>>564439

Anglican church literally uses these bands and their music liturgically, have you never been to low church charismatic and evangelicals?


5f279a No.564529

Heretics and shit music


57292a No.564543

>>564452

This isn't about sola fide vs faith+works, the filioque, the dulia-latria distinction/intercession of saints/Marian devotion, MT vs Septuagint with bonus deuterocanon vs apocrypha or recently the homos can't repent meme, so this may as well be a fresh topic of conversation.


6bbe3d No.564574

>>564543

OK. So it's the 4th time this month, then. :^)


66ac75 No.564575

>>564518

Not that I know of… Can you link a specific congregation?


5eaa6c No.564605

>>564441

this shit is so cringe tbh


d70ad4 No.564608

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>>564605

it uses the word degenerate as a pejorative, so i like it


4c176f No.564615

>>564575

Go to a charismatic Anglican church and experience it for yourself. There are so many where I live


6c3b5c No.564641

>>564615

South America?


f026e5 No.564647

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>>564442

Can't have a mention of Christian metal without Crimson Moonlight


5eaa6c No.564653

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>>564608

In You, I Have Taken Refuge

Never Let Me Be Put To Shame

As You Are Righteous Rescue Me And Save My Life

Hear Me And Set Me Free

Be A Rock Of Refuge For Me

Where I May Ever Find Safety At Your Call

For You Are My Towering Crag And Stronghold

O Lord , Keep My Life Safe From The Wicked

You Are My Hope, O Lord, My Trust, O Lord, Since Boyhood

From Birth I Have Leaned Upon You

My Protector Since I Left My Mother's Vomb

Let All My Traducers Be Shamed And Dishonoured

Let All Who Seek My Hurt Be Covered With Scorn

But I Will Wait In Continual Hope

I Will Praise You Again And Again

All Day Long Your Righteousness, Your Saving Acts

Shall Be Upon My Lips

You Shall Ever Be The Theme Of My Praise

Your Righteousness, Yours Alone

You Are My Hope, O Lord, My Trust, O Lord, Since Boyhood

From Birth I Have Leaned Upon You

My Protector Since I Left My Mothers Womb

For You Have Done Great Things

Who Is Like You?


c23b05 No.564759

>>564435

I looked up a reformers song

>that dislike bar

Well, it's not like we weren't warned


3beed1 No.565031


bd2f81 No.565075

>>564518

Low Church Sydney Anglican here. Our congregation vehemently dislikes Hillsong and such bands


63ef97 No.565085

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b436dc No.565098

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I'll be the outcast here. I love Hillsong, Bethel music, and other similar bands. Don't care for Hillsong the church (typical mega church that while they internally believe right, dance around the truth to the masses), but the music is good and lifts the name of the Lord. It beats listening to the mainstream trash.

The metal rock that gets posted here may be fine lyrically, but man I can't get past the genre. Makes my ears bleed.


bcf51a No.565235

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>>564439

Evangelical here and >>564518 is right. although they are mostly used during youth or teen groups.

>>564441

>>564442

>>564647

I'm more into this kind of metal.

>>565085

>Powerwolf

>Christian

>>565098

Happens to myself but, as there are many metal sub-genres, sometimes you have to find what suits your taste.


c6c312 No.565237

>>565235

Ebin song, thanks!


bd2f81 No.565369

>that feel when I know girls who post HIllsong lyrics alongside their instagram Bible / coffee pics rather than quotes from the actual scripture they are supposedly reading from


c23b05 No.565391

Also, noticing a lot of christian metal here

>I like metal but it increases my (for lack of a better term) religious OCD symptons

>mfw


7e03be No.566374

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I have mixed feelings regarding these types of bands. One the one hand, I've always shied away from listening to them because simply in relation to my personal music tastes the kind of sound/aesthetic they go for has always seemed incredibly bland. I've always considered that the motifs and sound they use to engage listeners to be pretty cheap - where the music always seems to employ that spacey-droney-ambient background element (I love some ambient music and find it very powerful in some cases) combined with the way they use wailing-spacey guitars and stadium choruses, these combos just seems so middle of the road and a cheap and easy way to whip up emotions (if I like a song along these lines I do not find it hard to have my emotions engaged and have it move me because I am easily drawn in to this element and can cry as a result of the song's music/lyrics).

There's also the dificulty that I often perceive it as a wierd disjoint of a secular sound with some vague Christian lyrics slapped on it. I describe it as a disjoint because the sound is not based in anything holy or traditional and often sounds like it could be a secular song any secular band would perform. There's also the oft leveled criticism that these song's lyrical content is pretty vapid, repetitive and doesn't expound sound doctrine like the hymns of old once did but rather focused on emotions and experience. One response to that is that due to the literacy of people these days, we don't necesarily need to be taught doctrine by song, which was arguably one of the reasons it was done this way in times gone by, and that we can get our doctrinal undertanding through all the other methods. Still, I think there is room to include stuff thats not just about the emotion and experience in song.

Finally there's the probably very vaid criticism that says that the song's are not suitable as a congrational worship song on the basis they are written by professional singers with professional singing voices, while the old hymns were specifically written in for ease of singing and sounding half decent together as a lay congregation.

I am a bad Christian in that I haven't made the move to find fellowship in a church yet, and one of the reasons for this was because I was hesitant about having to sing these types of songs which I up to this point had general disdain for. I wanted to sing the old hymns and psalms preferrably a capella with gusto with the congreation. I know I shouldn't let the music at the church be the determining factor as to where i end up, but it previously had played into my drawing up a short list (I believe of the 5 or 6 on said shortlist only one would be the kind that doens't do these types of songs so few and far between are they inb4go TLM or begome ordodox or high church protty


7e03be No.566375

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>>566374

Having said this there are a couple of tunes I had come across over the past year that I found catchy or there was something in them that I liked. And since have actually been finding myself listening to such songs/bands from time to time. Vid related is one I really like, I believe the artist is associated with Bethal church who, like with the others like HIllsong, am suspicious of as miniteries for the reasons most would be familiar with. But I'm only talking about the music here, not the ministry.

I find the thing is, no matter if these songs/bands have come about and become popular because of (what I percieve to be) the cheap techniques they use to engage people and that they are an borne of a generic middle of the road swooshy wishy washy spacey stadium aesthetic that relfects the blandness of secular soft rock (and the blandess of the majority of the population's tastes - no hate to those who actually like such stuff just been dramatic), you can't deny that people listen to it and it is popular because people like it. It strikes a chord with people and they relate to it. And now I'm getting to the point where I don't actually care enough about my previous criticisms of the music, and simply want to repsond to Paul's intruction in Ephesians 5:19 to "address one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart." That's what's I want, whether it's through the use of these types of corny worship songs or not, I don't really care at this point. And with these types of songs, like I say people really do like them, it enflames their hearts singing for the Lord I that's something I truly appreicate and want to share in. You can really see in vid related how empassioned the singer and everyone is for the Lord. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. I have also found that since starting to listen to such songs over the past week or so, I went through a period of experiencing a certain feeling of contentment, of feeling of God's love in my being, which was odd but very nice. I don't know if it's related to listening to this worship music, probably is, as well as of course related to God, and again isn't necessarily a bad thing I guess.

What I do think is a bad thing is when people have these bands and these songs and these feelings and experiences as the grounding of their faith. While some of the churches I am intending to check out may utilise some of these types of worship songs, they are likely comprised of a pretty low key plain band. However I hate to think that if, say Hillsong stopped with their big production values, the lights, the smoke etc. (and their fashionable clothes) that people would no longer turn up to their services. Unfortunately I know that is probably the case in a lot of instances. The emotional and experiential impact of these songs, whether through a big pyrotechnic infused rock show ala Hillsong or even the plain jane bands at most local churches, should similarly not be in and of themeselves the reason one goes to these churches. It is all well and good "feeling" nice through the songs, the music itself and the often sound and wholesome message in the lyrics to the songs, but again, if this were taken away from some people, I wonder if they would remain as Christians. Such people desparately need to be instructed to develop a much more robust grounding to their faith, lest they stray when it's the end of the world, and all the big lights and electricity supplies for those amps and guitars are no longer available, we are facing pursecution and we have to make do with what little we have, namely our God given voices.

I lament the discarding of our traditional hymns and, for those of a particular background, metric psalms also, for the fact that when it comes to this time, the hymns and traditional songs once known by every generation, from the kids to the grandparents, who would once have been able to come together to sing the timeless melodies, hooks and messages contained within them to bring people together in celebration or solidarity, will no longer be able to be recalled by those that need them. Now I'm just picturing these times and we're all huddled in a cave at the end of the world and everyones trying to sing their own forgettable, middle of the road, Hillsong or Bethal tune in total discord with one another.


5eaa6c No.566576

this is why tradition is a good thing


e1c88b No.566947

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Decent content in this YouTube documentary.


31d2a7 No.567006

https://www.christianpost.com/news/justin-biebers-rapper-friend-post-malone-accuses-him-of-being-in-a-religious-cult-207231/

>Justin Bieber's Rapper Friend Post Malone Accuses Him of Being in a Religious Cult

>Malone, the 22-year-old "Rockstar" rapper, told Rolling Stone that he believes Bieber's ties to Hillsong mirrored that of a cult. While Malone called Bieber an awesome, genuine friend whom he does not discuss religion with, he did share his perspective on the singer spending a lot of time and money in church.

>"He's gotten super-religious recently. Real culty … It's a total cult. He's already given them, like, $10 million."


6e4029 No.569672

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bump coz this song is so nice and the production is lush


6e4029 No.571115

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this thread is now a cccm (comfy christian contemporary music) thread since these don't fit the chant/metal/bluegrass sets in the music general

comfy tune in vid related, although i believe the artist is associated with jesus culture, another group that some may view with suspicion. I don't know about their parent ministry (nor jesus culture tbh) though.


a261b9 No.571222

>>567006

Sounds to me like Justin Bieber has started to realize that he hasn't been acting like a kind and nice person to be around and needs some guidance to get on the right track again.

Good on you Justin, now somehow stop your producers aiming at such a strange age group and you can be a normal pop star perhaps.


1f6e9e No.571544

I'm not a fan off contemporary Christian music. They all seem to have the same production styles (ie lots of reverb and background vocals and ""epic"" sounding choruses and outros). They also seem to always sing about one of the following:

>A vague "You" character, who we're supposed to assume is God

>The lyrics are about as subtle as a brick to the face, and end up kinda cringeworthy because they just seem so contrived

>The lyricist seems to treat God as nothing more than an emotional crutch for a deliberately vague unspecified issue

I prefer just to hear the pslams and traditional hymns, they feel so much more authentic and honest to me.


d019f3 No.571554

> go to Christian bookshop

> they’re literally ALWAYS playing CCM

> have never heard anything that sounds like it was made before the turn of the millennium

Honestly I like a pretty wide range of Christian music, from Gregorian chants to 50s-60s Gospel. But I just can’t stand this bland modern stuff.


5f2088 No.571626

>>571544

This right here, I don’t know how my mother and sister stand it


c4b909 No.571650

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Teared up a bit when I first heard this song. Stuff like this might be a middle road for the people who don't like the Hillsong type stuff.


721f91 No.571675

>>571626

Well that's kind of the point isn't it? The target audience of this tripe is women so religion is conflated with emotional experiences.


5eaa6c No.571706

>>567006

of course the Jew would be mad about him being religious




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