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475b1f No.563122

After our Lord this guy is the most fascinating character in the Bible imo. He was doing his thing to God even before Abram became Abraham. I just feel like he is passed over. Anyone got any good references about him?

ce7f6b No.563124

>>563122

Hebrews 7 has a good overview of him and quotes David from Psalm 110 which is a pretty dense messianic psalm.


475b1f No.563131

>>563124

Hebrews 7 almost suggests that Melchizedek was almost divine in that he had neither mother or father. Could Melchizedek have been God in the same way that he visited Abraham in Genesis 18, or an angel, or even a proto-Christ (no blasphemy intended)? I have turned to Matthew Henry's commentary and it is rather intriguing but still leaves me with many questions.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/hebrews/7.html


10ea5d No.563136

>>563131

Imo, 'without father or mother' in this context relates to the fact that his genealogy as not known. He's clearly not a descendant of Abraham and thus not a part of God's covenant with him. Nevertheless, he had true knowledge of God and was considered a priest of God by Abraham himself!

Noah's sons had knowledge of God. However, many of his descendants eventually fell into idolatry. Melchizidek may have been part of a family which did not abandon belief in the true God until after the time of Abraham.


09572b No.563150

>>563122

I've gotten called a neo-Gnostic a lot for this but he was clearly the Son.

Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." (KJV)

Who is without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, an eternal priest? The son of God.


b75f53 No.563158

Melchizedek is the pre-incarnate Son of God


d9b810 No.563162

>>563150

>hey Melchizedek, watcha doing?

> Offering the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, the son of God.

> But Melchisedech the king of Salem, bringing forth bread and wine, for he was the priest of the most high God,


475b1f No.563166

>>563150

>>563158

So Christ before Christ….wait…Christ blesses Abram before the covenant…Judaism BTFO?


10ea5d No.563170

>>563162

>king of Salem

To answer the question being raised here, it would be helpful to know what Salem is supposed to be. According to the web, some believe it's an older name for Jerusalem. Whatever the case, Psalm 76 at least indirectly implies that it's in Judah.

>1 In Judah is God known: his name is great in Israel. 2 In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion.

Melchizedek was a king in Salem. For him to be king there, you'd have to believe that Jesus incarnated once before. Again, that's assuming that Salem is some place in the Middle East and not an otherworldly realm.


b75f53 No.563178

>>563170

Iirc Salem comes from the Hebrew word for peace. So Salem = peace.


10ea5d No.563203

>>563178

So it's possible that King of Salem means King of Peace? There are others on the interwebz who seem to agree with this theory.


dc7f42 No.563211

>>563150

Psalm 109.

"The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand: Until I make thy enemies thy footstool."

Father is speaking to Christ. And he says that:

"4 The Lord hath sworn, and he will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech."

Father is speaking to Christ that he is priest in order of Melchizedek. Thus Christ is not Melchizedek. He could not be.

As for Hebrews:

Ver. 3. Without father, &c. Not that he had no father, &c. but that neither his father, nor his pedigree, nor his birth, nor his death, are set down in Scripture. (Challoner) — Not that he was without father and mother, says St. Jerome, (ep. cxxxvi.) for Christ himself was not without a Father according to his divinity, nor without a Mother in his humanity; but because his genealogy is not given in Genesis, as that of the other patriarchs is, but he is abruptly introduced without any mention of either his birth or death. In Melchisedech all was prophetical and figurative of Jesus Christ; and Abraham undoubtedly in this patriarch saw Jesus Christ in spirit, and exulted that all the nations of the earth were to be blessed in him. Abraham, your father, greatly desired, says our Lord to the Jews, to see the day of my coming: he saw it, and was filled with joy. (John viii. 56.)

And of course "but made like unto the Son of God" alone is sufficent to say that Melchisedek is not Christ for he was made like unto Christ.


475b1f No.563286


b75f53 No.563388

>>563211

>Father is speaking to Christ that he is priest in order of Melchizedek. Thus Christ is not Melchizedek

What even is this argument? Was Melchizedek a different person from Melchizedek, because He was a priest in the order of Melchizedek?


10ea5d No.563405

>>563388

>in the order of

>a priestly order

As translated, it definitely implies a different person. Contrast with:

>b75f53 is a 'Melchizedek is Jesus' poster in the order of 09572b

It wouldn't be reasonable to assume that I'm implying 09572b and b75f53 are the same poster, would it?


b75f53 No.563702

>>563405

What order is Melchizedek a priest in?




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