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834767 No.562244

There are two things i want to talk about, first i'm a non-denominational christian, but i want to investigate this. When i was an atheist, one of the most common arguments i would get against Christianity is that of relative realism. That Christians are conditioned into believing God exists. This board has already given a good answer to the "everyone is a god, so Christians just acts their own will with a self created God" meme and an answer to an actual self created "God" in the form of a tulpa, so i won't get into that.

I listened to a good podcast on this and sadly there is no English version that is online that answered how it's the presence of a spiritual Jesus that changes the Christians not repetitive mind control from seeming patterns of prayer. To prove this to an psychology atheist you would have to prove the spiritual world than prove God, and God shows himself to those who genuinely seek him, can't be seen but displays himself in miracles helping you in ways that are unique to you. So i was wondering if you guys had any more information on this?

e09d1d No.562250

People who think Christians raise their children strictly have never been to Asia. The people here are "atheist" and they go haaaaard. Western kids are spoiled brats. The kids here refuse to believe that white kids leave school at 3:00 and there's no soji. And then you consider all this creepy stuff about Western atheists "raising" their children by brainwashing them to become homosexuals or transsexuals, pushing drugs on their children, or raising them under homosexual "parents" or in BDSM or "polyamory" or furry houses. And then atheists have the gall to claim that a Christian upbringing is abusive? Western liberal atheists should not be allowed to raise children. Thank God most will go to their graves having never done so. By all rights Western atheists should be sterilized to be honest but that would be redundant. They reproduce by poaching from the Christian flock not by breeding.


834767 No.562255

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It's also important for you guys to read into cults, it's doesn't just fool dumb people, there are certain tested systems to control people that are used in cults that disguise themselves as christian and use these 8 criteria to control people looking for salvation.


2cc16a No.562256

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>>562244

Something I've considered is that a relativistic world is a world without answers. Consider pic related; even as satire it has it's merits. If it's still argued that much of our existence is still subjective and affected by the flux of events and time, then the best way for us to see the world 'subjectively' would be in compartmentalizing or removing oneself from the grander experience and trying to find something 'outside' the world, either through the internal (prayer, meditation, contemplative study) or the external (mystical experiences, psychedelic intoxicants, etc.) This is where God can be conceived as a being 'outside' the universe; He cannot be affected by causality or even existence in the universe, he's the Creator that works from the outside, and from this we can imply that He has a certifiably stronger objective base than any mere man.

And yet God is unique in that he still respects our free will. For all intents and purposes he is incomprehensibly all-powerful and all-willing, and yet He would rather you fall and try again than to probe into your mind and force you to do something against your agency. His love is unconditional and far beyond the scope of any human emotion, and yet we receive it despite our shortcomings as flawed beings.

As to proving the spiritual world, that is something they must do themselves. They have the arrogance to assume that the material universe is our only universe, and that there can be no other alternative to this. Nihilism grips them like a cancer, enslaving them to temptations of all shapes. Consider for a moment what kind of being would want people to believe that there is nothing; how much control could you exercise over them, how much influence could you impart on them? It is no surprise then that those who worship the material world often fall into Satan's hands.

The answers are not found here, they are found in God.


51fafc No.562463

I've been raised as pentecostal and was HEAVILY exposed to other religions, homosexualism and politics, dunno what the chart tries to point out.


9bbcf7 No.562466

>>562250

This. The whole idea that a Christian upbringing is a terrible thing, even in secular terms, is absurd. As is the idea that being brought up by non-believers is inherently better, even by secular criteria.


f879a4 No.562468

>>562250

please watch moral orel


e09d1d No.562477

>>562468

No. I don't watch television. I don't understand how anyone could.


f879a4 No.562487

>>562477

>misguided theology

>guilt tripping

>eternity in hell

>axiomatic moral absolutism on a secular world

>fun is evil


9bbcf7 No.562491

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>>562468

> You don’t believe being brought up Christian is bad? Watch this fictional Adult Swim show, that will REALLY convince you


e09d1d No.562492

>>562487

>>562491

Moral Oral is a cartoon show? My interlucator is basing his idea of a Christian childhood on not just a TV show, but a cartoon show?

I'm sorry, sir, but I no longer respect your opinion on this or any matter enough to continue engaging you in conversation. Please return to whatever subreddit from whence you came. Good day, sir.


f879a4 No.562494

>>562492

respect it or not but have some rebuttal. Your argument is silly because insectoid(asians) parents at least create spawns that will be far more productive in society.


9bbcf7 No.562497

>>562494

> respect it or not but have some rebuttal

Disprove this comedic animated tv show or else I win the argument!

> insectoid(asians) parents

Hi /pol/


0fb061 No.562498

This discussion reminds me of the Christian boarding schools from yesteryear that were an actual attempt at indoctrinating kids.

My Aunt that was in one commented on how the majority of girls there just ignored the religious doctrine being preached. She did end up being well-versed in Scripture though.


75a6b3 No.562504

>>562468

>hey you should watch this Jewish show that mocks Christian families, it really made me think


386c41 No.562505

>>562244

The problem with the liberal anti-religion mentality is that it treats human beings like dogs that must be trained a certain way and it denies their own will. Everything that isn't agreement with them is considered a mental repression instead of a legitimately reached and thought-out conclusion. Due to their absolute inability to tolerate other world-views and the resulting implications of what their outlook on life is. Thus they have a mental and emotional need to control the way all others think.


f879a4 No.562515

>>562497

refute this first >>562487

>>562504

stefan molyneux


fa0ac6 No.562521

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>>562468

That show is a hyperbole, and really contradictory one at that, a christian upbringing doesn't teach you to lust for chicken vaginas or see women as slaves. Please don't be part of that awful mass group of poeple who get their information on others from the Jewish perspective shown on television.


f879a4 No.562531

>>562521

>>562504

are you guys logically impaired?

the point is Christianity can be corrupted.


fa0ac6 No.562534

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>>562531

>the point is Christianity can be corrupted.

>Here is my conclusion, i don't have to explain, or prove it btw kthanks.

It's like pulling teeth, this is why the other posters stopped after you used a comedy show as a point.


d8a356 No.562541

What does "sexual development" even mean


f879a4 No.562546

>>562534

>haha its just a show bro totally jesus camps dont exist haha like close ur damn eyes bro haha anime haha gay


9a97e0 No.562548

>>562546

Is teaching children about atoms indoctrination?


deb2ef No.562554

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>562541

>I'm sorry.


f879a4 No.562577

>>562548

lets just teach children about the eternity of hell

lol kids btfo


f879a4 No.562578

>>562554

so brave


87fed4 No.562609

>>562554

FYI: That's at a public library, not a school. Parents chose to take their children to that event.


9a97e0 No.562641

>>562577

Not teaching children about the eternity of hell gives birth to atheists and modernists


f879a4 No.562645

>>562641

This so much

Also give them toys of Jesus Christ getting tortured on the cross .

Haha what could go wrong lol


9a97e0 No.562654

>>562645

>Haha what could go wrong lol

Literally nothing as the history of medieval Europe shows. Heresy was kept to a minimum when children knew everything about the facts of life.


947e17 No.562769

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>562554

tfw ur parents never gave u the talk about being a cross dresser and let you watch Drag Race so that you could be a queen.

YAAAAASSSS QUEEEN SLAAAY


f879a4 No.562901

>>562654

violence should also be encourage


ebbea2 No.562972

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6a5173 No.563306

>>562609

It's still our tax dollars being used to host this filth


32e4bd No.563309

>>562515

>disprove a vague series of greentexts


738623 No.563331

>>562769

>embedding the original video

>giving them more views

At least use hooktube https://hooktube.com/watch?v=bdCXxUxI-WE


6c71ad No.563341

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>>562769

She totally speaking ebonic in the beginning.


171f38 No.563413

>>562531

I get where is this coming from. You can get it at the ending of the show when you see how the kid grows up and creates a healthy and traditional christian family.

Even when, through all the show, he was surrounded by judgemental hypocrites, and unapologetic sinners.

I saw in the show the "bad" parts of what people think that christianity is and what a true christian life can acomplish.

Yes, it is a cartoon. But is worth watching if you have the gut to stands to all the mockery.




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