c8741f No.559087
I intend to take shrooms next week and try to have a religious experience. Any tips/opinion? Is it a bad idea? I wanted to bring headphones and listen to sacred music. Any of you got experiences with this? Thanks
449044 No.559089
You shouldn't do drugs, period. It messes you up, man.
f91296 No.559091
How about you stay sober and go to church to have a religious experience?
You can go while there is no service. I find the silence in the empty church to be something unique.
de098b No.559092
>>559087
>Any tips?
Yeah. Don't.
c68e3f No.559098
>>559087
i've done it before when i was a retarded teenager, didn't have any spiritual experience, just made me yawn a lot and spend hours staring at fishes in a fishtank. waste of time.
if you're deadset on doing it and can't be convinced otherwise, just make sure you're doing them in a controlled, safe environment.
f27ec9 No.559103
please do not lad. you WILL see demons, and then you have to deal with that shit for a while (sleep paralysis, FUCKED dreams, intrusive gay/blasphemous thoughts). anyone who says "lol bro just chill man its deep xd" is not susceptible to that kind of stuff, the demons already know they are dead and avoid them. but since you are posting here, i fear that you would be a promising candidate to them. strongly avoid.
t. former bad kid
c8741f No.559105
>>559091
Church is locked at all time here except for service due to constant vandalism.
c8741f No.559107
>>559103
That's scary man. I never did any of this, but I am still curious to try. But idk, maybe I should just avoid it. I read about the about the Marsh Church experiment and how Monks in the XIV century took shrooms to emplify religious experience and wanted to try myself. The friends I plan on eating some with have past experience with these kind of drugs and say it isn't scary or anything. Is it addictive? If I take, lets say, 3g only once in my life will I want to do it again and again? What about the fucked up dreams you talk about, do you still have them?
f91296 No.559108
>>559105
Oh ok, sorry to hear bout that.
Stay sober anyway pls.
0da0cb No.559110
>I want a religious experience
G O T O C H U R C H
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079137 No.559209
>>559087
Casually depriving yourself of reason like this is a very grave sin, don't do it.
e588e4 No.559215
Not that I disagree with the responses you all gave him, but why do you suppose God made plants that cause these kinds of often profound-seeming experiences? It seems odd if there is no valid use for them.
d1403a No.559221
>>559215
Many plants which have been historically used to induce "religious" experiences and which have been used in the rites of false religions are now being discovered to have medicinal purposes.
d9813a No.559252
>>559087
Best wishes anon. Been wanting to try this for a few years now myself. From what I've heard, the best advice is to surrender to the experience and not to try to control it.
d1521c No.559255
It's double-edged sword anon.
d1521c No.559260
>>559256
Shrooms won't make it easier though.
d9813a No.559267
>>559260
Well, yeah. They'd actually be a lot more work.
15553d No.559278
>>559087
Unless you're an Italian plumber living in NYC, it ain't worth it.
It's terrible for your mind and will expose you to the demons.
02ad0a No.559279
>>559087
Did stuff like this for years. Now I have hypnogogic hallucinations when trying to fall asleep at night (voices, visuals, sensations of someone touching me or crawling all over me.) Spent the past year going through about 7 different medications trying to find one that works or doesn't make my life worse with it's side effects.
Also, yes, I can say from personal experience that psychotropic substances opening you up to attacks from the demonic is very real. It is only because of Christ's mercy that I am not in a padded room in a strait jacket right now.
Don't do it. It's not worth it.
ad1230 No.559295
Please don't do it. I had demons whispering lies to me, I thought the best course of action was to jump out of a 3rd story window, and am now paralyzed from the waist down. I was not a suicidal person, I was very successful, with a lucrative software dev job, a hot girlfriend, playing in two bands. From a biblical perspective, it's sorcery. Don't do it man.
f27ec9 No.559320
>>559252
hahaha just read this post. you truly have no idea how fucked you are
e9a8b5 No.559380
>drug question
>on a predominantly Catholic board
Seriously, I don't recommend it. Consider for a moment what psychedelics, in particular shrooms, do to the mind. They wipe your slate clean for a time, removing the various defensive walls that the mind creates to separate the 'I' from the world. This is where the feelings of 'oneness' come from; your ego slowly fades, and can even disappear entirely (i.e. ego death) for however long it may be. You become susceptible to external influences, of which a raw mind will take in to fill the vacuum. Rather than God filling that vacuum, as is found in prayer and careful study of the Word, anything can enter you in that malleable state and near irrevocably alter 'you'. There is no preferentialism; when you open yourself to God through prayer, He is there with you, and makes Himself apparent. You know it's Him. These psychedelics are a shot in the dark; you don't know what you'll be getting or experiencing.
It's not worth it. Sobriety has been cherished by the Church for this long because it was seen as the best way to find communion with God, bridging the gap between Him, ourselves, and the world we live in. Without being of sound mind and body, we cannot comprehend what our task or purpose is, and what we should or should not do. Breaking that sobriety breaks that soundness, breaks that connection that we can form.
Don't.
t. former pagan with several psychedelic experiences
3ba3e9 No.559385
>Aggressively seeks spiritual experiences so he can feel special
Future pentecostal detected.
3a1a6d No.559391
You know the personality changes that people experience after doing acid? that's brain damage. OP, doing drugs will only get you negative religious experiences, like seeing demons.
c7c410 No.559393
I don't really think warping your perception does anything more then that. What we know, or understand can be highlighted one way, or the other by drugs, but to what is it in our favor to do so? Don't you think that truth is more accurately found in investigation, or contemplation? But whatever, it is enough to say drugs are worth it, specifically psychedelics because of the experience it's self, disregarding any alleged insight.
c7c410 No.559394
>>559391
> brain damage
No it isn't, unless you mean mind damage.
50e7cd No.559400
>>559394
An addiction medic specialist said the personality change is brain damage. I don't have the source though, but you're think that the mental brain is different from the physical brain.
2a911a No.559403
>>559087
God is the one who initiates religious experiences in us, we do not initiate them in ourselves, no matter how hard we meditate or how many drugs we take.
It would be better for us to seek humility and charity and simply pray and understand Christs' teachings better than to hunt for mystical experiences and grand visions of the world. If you are meant to have such experiences God will draw you towards them, and I doubt becoming intoxicated/inebriated and experiencing hallucinations would be part of His process.
047740 No.559409
>>559215
>It seems odd if there is no valid use for them.
I suppose just them existing in all their beauty and complexity already glorifies God enough.
496c41 No.559440
A few years ago I was a strong atheist that partied all the time and pretty much had no spirituality what so ever. Had anxiety, depression and an eating disorder. Smoked weed everyday to deal. Took shrooms for the first time and just was humbled by it and saw the beauty in everything and concluded it was God. From there I started reading, trying to figure out who God was and eventually came to Christ.
With that said, my experience is a rare one and I avoid shrooms now. But I tripped like three times and do not experience any anxiety or depression or my eating disorder.
Look into the studies on mushrooms and decide if it's something you want.
1cbfaa No.559448
>>559087
>implying God is in a mushroom
Drugs are not any sort of path to God. Just to self-involved madness.
>>559380
>that webm
UTTER GENIUS
>>559385
I wish you guys would f–k off with your uncharitable shit
ff48df No.559451
>>559380
i never experienced this webm in irl
5cb0c5 No.559453
>>559320
And you sound completely ignorant about this topic.
5cb0c5 No.559457
>>559400
Shrooms actually cause the brain to produce new brain cells. I wouldn't call that damage.
78e424 No.559467
>>559457
Brain tumors also do that
c7c410 No.559491
>>559400
>addiction medic specialist
Not going on any sort of proof, but if I was going to trust anybody it would be a medical specialist without bias towards people who take drugs. Atleast one who doesn't have it part of his profession.
85ce9a No.559492
>implying the Book of Revelations isn't a trip report
(USER WAS TAKEN TO BE SOBERED FOR THIS POST) c7c410 No.559493
>>559467
You are sounding kinda dismissive, nobody is telling him to do shrooms. What you said about tumors meant nothing towards the truth. Mushrooms, also have none of the ill-effects of a tumor.
c7c410 No.559495
>>559492
It is was definitely an imbalance of the brain, but because it was canon it was retroactively confirmed as divine prophecy. Or it could have poetic description of the past. Nobody is going to know, that guy probably didn't even expect people to put into a book that defined Christianity.
819f8f No.559505
>>559495
>John didn't know that Revelation, a book about the end of days in a revelation from God, wouldn't be put into the Bible, which was the sole reason he survived poisons, oil boilings, and numerous death threats
>nah lol john is crazy with mental issues praise odin
78e424 No.559507
>>559493
>You are sounding kinda dismissive
What gave that away?
Am I sounding kinda smug now?
34de24 No.559509
78ca47 No.559513
8b4fad No.559516
Isn't it a bit hypocritical to dismiss mushrooms on a site created during a drug trip
3ba3e9 No.559519
>>559495
>Le burning bush that moses saw was a drug bush so he got high and met God meme
78e424 No.559521
>>559516
I'm sure thinking up "4chan but with user created boards" must have taken a lot of effort
8b4fad No.559531
>>559521
I didn't imply that it did take a lot of effort. Sometimes you don't know how to think outside the box if you can't see the box, these drugs help you see the box. That doesn't make them a good thing, though, in the same way Eve eating of the tree wasn't a good thing. Outright dismissal is, yet, improper.
e9a8b5 No.559537
>>559516
Isn't it a bit hypocritical to dismiss Freemasonry on a website owned by a Freemason?
68509f No.559823
>>559087
You're an idiot.
If you can't have a "religious experience" without doing magick (altered state of consciousness; you'll get a "religious experience" all right, if you like demons molesting you), then you're probably not doing something right.
092a56 No.560008
>>559537
t. knight of columbus
eaf640 No.560709
Former pothead here, been clean for a couple years now. Recently got back into the Church and practicing my faith, things are going much better. I have never done psychedelics but have some friends that still smoke weed. What are some good points I can use to help get my friends off the stuff? Some of them are more attached than others, I have a hard time speaking out against it because I don't think weed is nearly as bad as psychedelics.
e9a8b5 No.560722
>>560709
Most people have their own reasons for their vices: rebellion against parents, self-medication, coping with stress, habituation, etc. Because of this, breaking addictions or bad habits in general requires you to know the 'why' behind the vice and helping them along with it.
For example, one of my best friends has been an alcoholic for nearly half a decade now, and he's well aware that he drinks too much and that it's definitely not good for him in the long run since he drank heavily through high school. He would tell me how he didn't seem to have money and didn't have a girlfriend, and how his games were going horribly, existential crisis', etc. I sat down with him and decided to help him out with budgeting, and when we crunched the numbers on how much money he spent on booze over these past two years, he broke down. Nearly half of his paycheck had gone to booze for two years, enough money to buy a car, or go to college for a few years, or finance a wedding for a nice girl. Over 10 grand down the drain because of his addiction, and it wasn't until he saw the numbers and just how many opportunities he missed out on that he started to work on changing that part of him. He's been sober for four months now, and he's started to go to Church again to solidify the habit.
Your friends may not exactly fall under that same kind of deal breaker, but there's plenty of things you can discuss:
>cost over time
>smoke inhalation -> cancer
>indirect finance of crime
>stagnation in life; how far have they gone since they started?
>what do they think about when they smoke; what compels them?
>success is built on focused direction and restraining desire; has this come of them?
And so on. Use your best discretion and speak to them in ways that makes sense to them. People know that they're flawed and messed up, and you don't need to remind them of it. All you need to do is offer up solutions and have plans to execute them.
eaf640 No.560749
>>560722
Thanks, and I hope your friend continues improving, one of my close friends is probably like that with weed.
Does medical marijuana get a pass? I know for a fact that most people using it don't actually need it and have brought that up in conversation before, but it's a common argument I see for weed. The only other thing I know to say to that is it makes people lazy to which most argue that they're hard workers despite smoking a lot. It's even become a problem for my younger sister and it really pisses me off how hard it's being pushed on the kids.
e9a8b5 No.560768
>>560749
Medical marijuana has become the modern en vogue cocaine and heroin. Late 19th and early 20th century America was swamped in the 'miracle drugs of the coca and poppy plants', and it was not until much later that their 'universal positive effects' were found to be the stuff of shady public relations and corrupt pharmacological practices.
Modernity has not been kind to the virtue of sobriety. Everywhere in pop culture there has been this shift towards the acceptance of these pharmacological agents with no regard for their long term impact, because as far as the 'pushers' are concerned, they smoked plenty of weed when they were young (read in the 60-80s when drug culture became an underground haven for the first time since the 20s) and they turned out just fine. They celebrate the quasi-religious experiences and the niche opportunities for treating illnesses and daily inconveniences because they've known nothing else. These are the same types who feel that sodomites have every right to the sacrament of marriage, that pedophiles are just 'misunderstood', and that a world with less restraint and more 'love and tolerance' is preferable to a world with any suffering (i.e. growth).
Rants aside, there are plenty of people I've met that are hard workers, and have been for years, and yet they haven't gone ANYWHERE because they've been tied down to that chunk of the paycheck that goes to drinking or partying or whores or drugs. They're just like my friend: they lack the self control and realization that their vices are crippling their development as a person and preventing them from escaping stagnation. This in turn leads to boredom, and boredom leads to an idle mind, which invariably leads to sins of increasingly greater severity. Even in my own life I've struggled with restraining my sexuality and my addiction to video games. It's been a long road to recovery, and like my friend I have years of habits to rewire.
As for your sister, she's probably young and dumb. She needs a mentor, someone who can right her when she strays off course. It doesn't have to be you, but you should nonetheless strive to be a model older sibling no matter the difficulty.
d1403a No.560771
>>560768
>complains about sobriety
>post picture of a man known to be addicted to cocaine and heroin
lol
d9813a No.560775
>>559823
Where does this belief that doing mushrooms is inviting demons into your midst come from?
The well documented positive long-term effects from a mushroom induced mystical experience would argue against demonic possession in my opinion.
716bfb No.560784
Drugs invite demons anon. Best to avoid.
1 Peter 5:8-9
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
d1403a No.560785
>>560775
>effects from a mushroom induced mystical experience
It's called prelest.
d9813a No.560811
>>560785
Who are you to judge someone's religious experience as false simply because you don't like how it happened?
d1403a No.560829
>>560811
Because there's absolutely no reason to believe that it's a genuine experience from God. The Bible never tells us to go searching for these "experiences" anyways because of how dangerous they are. In addition, many of the people who have these "experiences" teach heresies and false teachings. The fact of the matter is that the things that one sees in such a state are the products of his own mind and of demons, not God.
b182a3 No.560874
Didn't even finish reading the OP. Stop, don't, you sound ridiculous to everyone here. Anything you "experience" (lol) will be fradulent and caused by your own mind and possibly demonic influence.
f27ec9 No.560897
>>559453
i did all sorts of drugs for many years, but you're allowed to have your own opinion
f27ec9 No.560899
>>560709
look up bad trip experiences of the drug on erowid
f27ec9 No.560900
>>560811
your brain on reddit
740e85 No.560902
>>559087
What variety of mushroom is that?
I see them near my house on cow patties.
d9f7fd No.560904
>>560811
>simply because you don't like how it happened?
The known examples of drug induced religious experiences are amanitas mushrooms see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeR1spfACPo warning, this is what freemasons/New Agers actually believe and other anecdote reports of drug users usually have negative religious experiences while on drugs and see demons or other batshit entities. It's not that they don't like how it happened, but that it's not an authentic religious experience.
d9813a No.560918
>>560904
This guy is misinformed. Mushrooms don't produce DMT…
And as far as I'm aware, the 'mystical experience' on mushrooms that is currently being used to treat PTSD and terminal illness depression are not negative at all.
You can have a 'bad trip' on mushrooms, but those aren't classified as 'mystical experiences' and they don't have any long term affects besides the trip itself.
>>560829
>There's absolutely no reason to believe that it's a genuine experience from God.
A fedora tipper could argue the same thing about any religious experience.
e9f98f No.560920
Taking drugs contradicts natural law.
e9f98f No.560921
>>559215
Just because God created something doesn't mean we're free to do whatever we want with it.
Remember, not everything on Earth is created with the intent to be used by us. For example, mushrooms produce these chemicals that cause an effect because they're toxic. Their toxins protect them from predators, allowing them grow and spread without being eaten. No need to assume that God created the toxins in the plants so some retarded teenager can come alone later and munch on them to trigger a psychotic reaction and then go around telling everyone how spiritual he is
d9813a No.560923
>>560921
>For example, mushrooms produce these chemicals that cause an effect because they're toxic.
I've been trying to find a source on this and every credible website simply says they have no idea why the mushrooms produce them, they just guess it provides some kind of protection.
If they were supposed to protect them from predators, then they fail since humans aren't the only ones eating them.
13bd58 No.561004
>>560902
These mushroom of yours have psilocibin in it, pretty sure. It is known that they grow on cow dung.
20bd1b No.561034
>>559105
Sounds like your religious experience may be best found in joining a right wing safety squad to stop vandalism.
6698b4 No.561156
Try it but take a low dose. E.g take a 1 or 2 small ones and if you arent tripping after 30min take 1 or 2 more. Key word is low dose. High doses will never enlighten ypu to wisdom, just madness
- t. Guy that once took 500mg 2cb and ended up in a psychiatric hospital for a month
Prior to finding Jesus mind you