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There's the famous example of the Pharaoh of Egypt.

But I have to shame you for your source anon. There's something wrong with this guy. I can't place my finger on it. Like some kind of ego with 'I'm right no matter what and you're wrong' attitude.

>>556943

Yes there are reprobates but Anderson is wrong to say all gays are reprobates. Only God knows who is truly able to be saved and who is reprobate.

>>556960

this

reprobation exist, but you can never know who is a reprobate and who isn't

some people are afraid that might be reprobates but the fact that this worries them proves that they are not reprobates.

>For by thy words thou shalt be justified

Please no works based salvation shit this is a Independent Fundamental KJV-Only Baptist thread.

I think he's right about it. However, I think if someone wants to be saved, then they can. >>556951 's example of the Pharaoh is someone God had allowed to "harden." Pharaoh didn't want to make peace with God.

Romans Chapter 2

>3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

>4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

>5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

The reprobate mind implies impenitence. Anderson himself admits this… sometimes.

No, I do not take Pope Anderson's word as the final authority on anything. If you cannot see the sheer arrogance in declaring someone unable to be set on the path of salvation then you're in trouble.

>>556976

I'm not saying the doctrine is correct because Anderson said it is. I'm just asking if people agree with him.

>>556960

I agree with that.

Anderson is wrong about all sodomites being reprobate. Some are, though. The problem is that only God knows who is and who is not. It's not up for us to judge, but to pray for them all.

>>556943

So long as there is breath, there is Hope.

God just happens to know the future.

>>556951

yeah he's very prideful and most definitely fucked.

>>556943

Sin of assumption which he committs over and over again. God's mercy is infinite and he will take care of every single one, be it a satanist or a Christian - in the matter he will deem appropriate.

To tell people they will be going to hell for XY is to put oneself above God, thus committing actual blasphemy.

Anderson is a retard and in cases like him I wish you didn't have this free speech thing going.

>>557078

>in cases like him I wish you didn't have this free speech thing going.

Oy vey! Shut it down.

>>556943

>Do you think Anderson is correct on some people not being able to get saved before they die?

I believe it's impossible for any people to get saved before they die. That's what the new birth is, it's God reaching down and enabling men to get saved.

>>557078

Jesus is the one that said it though

of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

>>557092

And yet no man can judge. He's hubristic and arrogant. You shouldn't listen to this man, because he doesn't care for the Gospel at all.

>The Bible itself is God

>First Corinthians 6:9 is just Paul's opinion tho

All you people saying Anderson is judging and arrogant, ironically I believe you are the ones doing this.

See, he is basing this off what Romans 1 & 2 says. That's not arrogance, that is being sure of the word of God being true. What arrogance is would be to ignore what the word of God says and substitute a judgement of your own (i.e. sodomites are not that bad, ignoring Romans 1:28-32).

If you don't even want to admit this right here is making a stand on what the Bible actually says or not, you're just being a hypocrite because you have no explanation for Romans 1:24-32. In fact you would be the one putting yourself above God, ironically. Meanwhile some of us are believing the Bible that the judgement of God (reprobate) is according to truth against them which commit SUCH THINGS. Even if the whole world hates me for believing it, I can't ignore the truth in front of me.

>>557117

HONEST CONCERNS RAISED ON THIS THREAD:

>How do you know that all homosexuals are a reprobate

>Pharaoh didn't want to make peace with God, Reprobates don't either according to Romans. But some homosexuals on our midst do, so not all of them can be reprobates

>Pastor Anderson is very prideful

YOUR REPLY:

>I am 100% sure of my bible reading, what the heck, why do you disagree?

No thanks!

>>557124

>But some homosexuals on our midst do,

Romans 1:29 says they are full of deceit and inventors of evil things.

This passage exists. It is here for a reason. You can't make it go away, anon. And again, you're prideful for acting like God gave his word for nothing. That's why you can't explain it to us, you can only complain when someone else does.

>>557096

>doesn't care for the gospel

>His church has gotten thousands saved this year

>>557136

1st Corinthians 6:9

>9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

>10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

>11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

If you want to see reprobation, speak with a fag rights activist.

<God made me this way and it's all his fault! I hate him so much for persecuting his people!

They exist in great abundance in our world. However, if they are contrite, then they can be saved from the wiles of the devil! Here's a scripture that Anderson never seems to quote:

>Go thy way, and sin no more.

>>557143

Watch the OP video. I pit it as the thread video because I knew people woukd bring up 1 Corinthians 16

>>557144

He doesn't really negate it. He just bitches about it wrecking his theology.

>>557143

Keep reading to 1 Corinthians 10:13.

>>557136

>If you do not share my view on this passage, you are rejecting it. Share my view to become saved and to stop being prideful.

On the contrary you are upset because I am hurting your pride.

>>557148

I'm saying you have no view. If you did, you could explain it to us.

>>557146

Yes he does. 1 Corithians 6 doesn't even say men that list after men. It just says abusers with mankind which could mean you could do it when drunk like a story in Habakkuk says.

Also if you actually look at when something close to that term is used it's about women fornicating

>>557147

>gays of the gaps theory

That verse has nothing to do with homosexuality, anon. "common to man" doesn't mean what you think it does.

>>557155

women are covered under fornicators.

>>557160

Do you believe 2 Peter 2:9 is true?

>>557160

>Jude calls the men of Sodom going after strange flesh

>strange = normal

>>557167

Do I believe that unrepentant sinners go to hell? Of course.

>>557174

???

>>557179

What about the first clause though? Is it true or not?

2 Peter 2:9

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

>>557182

Yes. But homosexuals aren't godly until they repent and stop being homosexuals. Then they're ok.

>>557185

So the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations. And there has no temptation taken us but such as is common to man.

>>557189

That's not what he's trying to say. He's saying that God won't give you anything you can't handle. You can't just cut and paste verses together to get what you want. This is especially true when it's being used in an attempt to waltz out of >>557143

You may not be aware, but God forgives sins.

>>557190

There are Baptists other than Anderson. They even have lesbian "pastors" that do gay "weddings."

>>557195

>He's saying that God won't give you anything you can't handle.

And that's what a temptation not common to man is. Sodomite lust is being given over to a reprobate mind and being given up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own heart as described in Romans 1. The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations. This is no accident, as Romans 1 & 2 attests.

>You can't just cut and paste verses together to get what you want.

These verses are both relevant. 1 Corinthians 10:13 because it's in the same book addressed to the same people. 2 Peter 2:9 is relevant because it comes immediately after explaining that Lot was delivered from sodomy but ALL the other inhabitants of Sodom were given up at that point. The Lord delivered Lot's family from that temptation, but reserved all the rest to judgment. They were not given over to a reprobate mind (to do those things which are not convenient) because the Lord delivered them out of it. The same can't be said for the other sodomites.

>>557203

(samefag here) Romans 2 attests that a symptom of a reprobate mind is a hardened and unrepentant heart. If they're trying to repent, they don't have hardened hearts.

>>557220

>If they're trying to repent, they don't have hardened hearts.

Yep. However I should say that using the phrase "trying to repent" is likely to be misleading. Faith is the gift of God, not of works.

So let's assume someone says this. There's not automatically any reason to doubt their claim unless they do something like also claim to have sodomite lust. If they do these things, the word of God makes it clear they can't be telling the truth. There are those who would infiltrate themselves into churches, see Jude 1:8-16. So be aware of this and test the spirits, 1 John 4:1.

as an unironic tranny sodomite since im reprobate i shouldnt bother looking into christianity and since im going to hell either way itd be better for me to oppose it so i am able to marry the ppl i love and be accepted in society? the bible verses posted look pretty clear cut so im not sure why id bother w the religion

>>557764

No, just don't look into being Baptist.

(Sorry for possible doublepost)

>>557764

>the bible verses posted look pretty clear cut

Literally squandering your salvation by being a protestant

I am not surprised someone comes and thinks that.

In case anyone wants a explanation on why the person I am replying to is silly to believe why bible verses are "Clear", allow me to quote someone else…

PROTESTANT BIBLE APPROACH # 3

"Let the clear passages interpret the unclear."

A solution to Bible interpretation must have seemed the perfect solution, but now will be used as beating stick towards the ideas of "clear" passages.— the idea was to let the easily understood passages "interpret" those which are not clear. The logic of this approach is simple, though one passage may state a truth obscurely, surely the same truth would be clearly stated elsewhere in Scripture. Simply use these "clear passages" as the key and you will have unlocked the meaning of the "obscure passage." As the Tübingen Lutheran scholars argued in their first exchange of letters with Patriarch Jeremias II:

Therefore, no better way could ever be found to interpret the Scriptures, other than that Scripture be interpreted by Scripture, that is to say, through itself. For the entire Scripture has been dictated by the one and the same Spirit, who best understands his own will and is best able to state His own meaning.

As promising as this method seemed, it soon proved an insufficient solution to the problem of Protestant chaos and divisions. The point at which this approach disintegrates is in determining which passages are "clear" and which are "obscure." Baptists, who believe that it is impossible for a Christian to lose his salvation once he is "saved," see a number of passages which they maintain quite clearly teach their doctrine of "Eternal Security" — for example, "For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance" (Romans 11:29), and "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:27-28). But when Baptists come across verses which seem to teach that salvation can be lost, such as "The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression" (Ezekiel 33:12), then they use the passages that are "clear" to explain away the passages that are "unclear." Methodists, who believe that believers may lose their salvation if they turn their backs on God, find no such obscurity in such passages, and on the contrary, view the above mentioned Baptist "proof-texts" in the light of the passages that they see as "clear." And so Methodists and Baptists throw verses of the Bible back and forth at each other, each wondering why the other cant "see" what seems very "clear" to them.

no actually id rather advance the so called "gay agenda"

>>557901

We've already talked about this in other threads anon

let it go

>>557909

It wasn't posted for you.

>>557785

The guy only came here to provoke strife with his question. I wouldn't give him any attention. He's not gonna take your advice.

>>557911

And we've still talked about it in other threads. Most people aren't Judas

>>559900

If you like traps over God yes