/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>556025

>49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

How is that a sin?

>>556030

theres a difference between deception and ignorance

btw, awful shitpost

>>556041

also note the fact, that Josephus was adoptive father of Jesus sort of speak.

so nothing at all

>be baptist

>believe Sola Fide

>"why did Mary need to be saved if her works were good?"

OP's argument would have been interesting if it were just

>So how was Mary sinless when she needed a saviour […]

>And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Luke 1:47)

the rest is dumb, and everyone is just going to address the dumb bit

>>556044

or randomly attack baptists/sola fide for some reason

>>556041

So Mary though Jesus was Joseph's son? Hiw does even happen considering they didn't have sex until after she gave birth

>>556070

>didn't have sex EVER

>>556074

[Citation needed]

>>556084

stay safe until we meet again

>>556044

When did I say her works were good? I said if she never sinned then she wouldn't need be saved.

>>556074

It says Jesus was her first born son, not her son or only son. Of course if you say first born then of course you expect a second.

>>556088

who saved her from ever sinning? Her Savior. Preventive saving is as much saving as reactive saving.

if you were saved from falling into a hole, you would have a savior.

if you fell into a hole, and someone rescues you. you would have a savior

>>556090

So where does it say she never had sex? I've read the whole NT besides Luke in about a week abd don't remeber that

>>556091

So you're saying God didn't let her sin but everyone else could?

>>556093

Also I think in Matthew it says that after Jesus was born "Joseph knew Mary" which often times means sex(especially becayse he did actually know(not sex) her before Christ was born).

>>556095

I did not say God removed her free will. God gave His mother at the moment of her conception a single grace and privilege, preserving her from all stains of original sin. She was saved by God.

>>556100

i think this is what you're talking about:

>24 And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife.

>25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. (Matthew 1:24-25)

a normal person reading this would assume it's implying that after she brought forth her firstborn son, they had sex, but it doesn't explicitly say that.

>>556111

Well I'm pretty sure in one of Pual's epistles it says he was the first born of his bretheren.

>>556107

So you mean her sins weren't imputed on her? That happens to ever saved person.

>>556114

>For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his Son; that he might be the firstborn amongst many brethren. (Romans 8:29)

come on, man.

this is obviously not talking about actual siblings, regardless of whether or not He had any.

>>556089

I don't think being the firstborn relies on there being a secondborn

>Exodus 13 1-2 The Lord said to Moses, “Consecrate to me all the firstborn. Whatever is the first to open the womb among the people of Israel, both of man and of beast, is mine.”

>>556118

>firstborn amongst many brethren.

Well it clearly isn't meant to be brethren as in friends because it says he's the first born of them

>>556121

Well why else would it need to say that Jesus is the firstborn? Of course he is considering he was born of a virgin.

>>556070

Nope

I meant that one can make mistakes during speech or so on. and besides, i've explained further >>556043

>>556114

she has never sinned and she had the stain of original sin removed at her birth.

>>556090

You can't just provide evidence of something you haven't even reviewed, the first book of the NT craps all over your claim for crying out loud.

Can you even read or is literacy for Protestants?

>>556151

>>556090

εγίνωσκεν, to know, γινώσκω is used in the carnal connection of male and female

I can't imagine what was meant by this in Matthew.

>>556131

Yeah but why would the Bible copy it down then?

Then why would he rebuke her?

>>556126

>because it says he's the first born of them

think.

>And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. (Colossians 1:18)

think.

>>556132

Huh that's interesting. Can you provide the verse? That seems like a big thing to leave oit considering she was the only person ever to not have original sin.

>>556165

Shat di you think the "from the dead;" part means?

>>556169

>Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:4)

think.

>>556172

That he was the first resurrected?

Also that verse proves you have to be dunked for being baptized not sprinkled.

>>556175

Also either way agian it says that he's the first born son of Mary in other places

>>556167

the Trinity is more important yet it is nowhere mentioned directly. like all Catholic dogma it is found in scriptures, directly or implicitly.

>>556175

>That he was the first resurrected?

kind of, He isn't the first person to be resurrected, but He is the first person to resurrect from the dead with a glorified body never to die again.

>Also that verse proves you have to be dunked for being baptized not sprinkled.

i'm baptist.

>>556185

Yes it is.

1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Even if you won't take that there's still others and for Mary being sinless there are zero.

>>556173

Close but Christ himself is the ark.

John 20:12

And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Exodus 25:18

nd thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

2 Samuel 6:2

And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.

Psalm 80:1

Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.

>>556173

Wow. This is actually the first time I've seen a good Biblical explanation for the "Ark of the New Covenant" thing. Like, I always assumed it was a platitude people just tell about to argue for their weird unbiblical beliefs. I'm actually shocked, you might have triggered the process for me to begome

>>556249

>God himself is the ark

I don't think you understand what an ark is….

>>556287

John 1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

>>556270

>you might have triggered the process for me to begome

Don't fight it anon. Begome.

>>556088

by equating one's sin with salvation you imply one is saved by their observance of the law (aka works)

>>556270

huge if true

>>556049

>or randomly attack baptists/sola fide for some reason

Because it's non-Christian and doesn't belong on this board.

>>556025

>Luke 1:47

>And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

God still saved her, by pre-destining her to bear Him.

>>556025

>Luke 1:47

Because God is Mary's saviour. He allowed her to be conceived without original sin by his free grace. He stopped her from falling into the hole before she could fall into it. For us, God pulls us out of that hole.

>Luke 2

I don't understand what you're trying to demonstrate in this passage. There is no sin here, only Jesus informing.

>>556270

false flagging is a sin

Bump.

>>556909

Nothing worth responding to.

>>557249

You guys were proved wrong.