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Rebellion is the disobedience of a lawful order and a lawful authority. So, no, you're not allowed to rebel.

Read 1 Samuel 15.

>>554988

What if you lived under the USSR?

>>554983

You pray for everyone. That being said, by all means, preach the faith - and if people hate you for it, well, that's the way it goes. God is your first obligation - MLK made prophetic witness, and if you read through the OT prophets, especially Jeremiah, that isn't always well received. Be of service to your nation through faith, not rebellion.

Unjust law is not a law at all. If you follow unjust law you sin. Unjust law is law that goes against natural and/or Church law. For example law that say that you must bow to idols or that you must recitite islamic creed or that marriage is but union fo male and female.

Aquinas wrote about it, check him.

>>554988

Would you sin if your authority told you to?

>>555035

A lawful authority would not tell me to sin.

>>555036

What is your definition of lawful authority?

It either 1.Is wrong or 2.Doesn't matter for the purpose of this thread(IE: You're not helping)

>>555037

A lawful authority is … well … a lawful authority. Like if I'm driving and run a stop sign, the cop behind me with his lights on is lawfully authorized to make me stop. If he pulls me over and commands me to suck his dick, he ceases to be a lawful authority.

>>555040

So if rebellion is disobedience against a lawful authority, what do you call disobedience against an unlawful/sinful authority?

>>555054

Thank the (I don't have enough parentheses for this) French devolution

>>554988

>>555036

>>555040

Currently almost all governments in the West became through rebellion, and the ones that weren't have such a cucked monarchy that it's blasphemous.

>>555050

>what do you call disobedience against an unlawful/sinful authority?

The point is that under an unlawful authority, just being righteous in some respect is against the law. It is not disobedience because God is a higher law than secular government. When Peter etc. were commanded to stop preaching in the name of Jesus in Jerusalem for example. Acts 5:17-42

>>554983

I would say to the extent that the government allows, i.e. voting or legally protesting against policies you find disagreeable if your laws allow you to do so.

You can safely rebel against the law when it tells you to do evil. I suppose this gets sort of blurry when we approach things like forced military conscription–is it a sin to be a soldier or to do violence in battle? Is it a sin to fight for the interests of a country, since all governments are worldly and variably evil?

>>555050

>what do you call disobedience against an unlawful/sinful authority?

Well, I'd call it righteous; but I'm sure there are better words to use. Any unlawful authority is one that tells you to sin. You have to understand the difference, though. ALL men are sinners, so the person in authority is a sinner. That doesn't mean he's commanding you to sin. It just means he's a sinner, like all men are.

Let's take the hardest example:

The government legalizes homosexual marriage.

Is that a lawful authority or not? Yes, it is. The government is not commanding you to get gay married, thus it is not commanding you to sin. Have you read 1Samuel 15 yet? Notice especially the last verse: And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

Having a bad king doesn't mean you have the right to disobey. You are still commanded to obey so long as they are not commanding you to sin.