/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>553960

>What church?

One associated with the "antioch movement"

>Do they support faggot marriage?

Not particularly but they're not hostile to it since they're generally a more "loose" church that targets college students and young people.

It's the type where they use bibles on their phones, which even as someone who doesn't care much about religion makes me fucking cringe.

But it's the one that I have to go to if I want to fix my "situation."

>Start reading the new testament, read at least one book a week from it.

Should I skip the old testament for now then?

I figure this is my best hope for actually enjoying the experience or being drawn to it whatsoever

>>553963

Yeah the only people able to do that would be the leaders I'd assume as everyone else is brainlet-tier drooling normies, so I probably won't bother.

The entire pre-church youth group type thing applies to all ages, so every age has a "life-group" that you go to before church.

To be honest from my one experience and what I saw online all they ever do is go in, read a short thing about the bible, pray a few times, and try to tilt everything to recruiting more people and spreading the message, always ending with an offer to bring your friends, excuse me, a "challenge."

How I wish this church was orthodox, as I have heard good things about them.

>>553966

Are you sure you don't just wake up as a Brazilian little girl when you go to sleep as you?

>>553966

lolwut

>>553967

>"situation"

Anon, are you just going to church to get a wife?

Yes, feel free to skip the old testament until you've finished the new testament.

Any church which does not openly and outright condemn homosexuality is not a church I would want to be a part of.

>>553966 We in fact attempted to prevent this from occuring

>>553970

>Anon, are you just going to church to get a wife?

No, I am going to church as I had a run-in with investigators (hi fbi) for cronic shitposting and family members want me to go to church and socialize more, blah blah get my life together.

It was together, but the only way to fix the family from fighting is for me to go to church.

Like I said it's my only option sadly, but if that's what I have to do to keep the entire family including distant family members from fighting so be it.

Maybe after a couple weeks or months if the shenanigans are still demanded (more than just church) then I can at least switch to a better church to satisfy the criteria.

They don't do gay marriages or anything, or preach on it, they just ignore the subject and slightly shame it. The bible on a phone thing is more of an issue for me than them avoiding the topic.

Church is about God, not people. People are hypocritical, inconsiderate, and judgmental. They gossip about others in the church, they talk during the service, they sing loudly off-key. Even in the New Testament we see the church at Corinth devolve into a dog and pony show divided by church politics. Truly, Christians are the worst part of Christianity.

But you're one of them. And not only are you one OF them, Christ prays that you are one WITH them, just as He and the Father are one (John 17:21). Church is a hospital for sinners, and if you look around that is what you will see. But as Christ said to Peter, "what is that to thee? Follow thou Me.” You must first address the plank in your own eye. Dwelling on how "fake" those around you are is not salvific, and in fact the opposite is so, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

So be charitable in spirit to your brothers and sisters in Christ and you will begin to see that they are struggling in much the same way as you, bearing their crosses as best they can. And you should focus on doing as much for yourself. I was an atheist and I had many of the same concerns as you when I began going to church. I came to realize in time that those I would consider "fake" were more genuine than I could have realized and were struggling with things I could not imagine. I was prideful in assuming to know others as they truly are, but our true selves can only be revealed by God. The more I submit myself to Christ and His revelation of my true self to me, the more I realize how "fake" I must come across to others and even to God. And though our relationships with God are personal and each individual has different strengths and weaknesses, no one is saved alone. We are united in that we walk this path, we bear these crosses, all of us, bound together by love, in the name of Christ.

>>553955

>It's not that I hate Christianity, but I dislike the church and it's history

I need a good copypasta for this subject. God may or may not exist, but religion is likely a byproduct of the human nature. This impulse we know as religion will manifest in one way or another. Why do you think that being a liberal atheist has so many fucking rules attached to it now? Postmodernism is a new religion that they can talk themselves into believing.

Have you listened to any of Jordan Peterson's lectures? It's a two hour commitment for one, but it's worth it. He touches on religion from a psychological perspective. He might be able to Jedi mind trick you into believing it.

>>553997

What I'm getting to is that religion will hopefully play a vital role to stopping shit from getting worse. And it is getting worse all of the time.

>but muh Copernicus

Fuck him.

>>553966

>this is /christian/'s fault

>>553955

>>553967

Play it out, recognize the small truths in this church, then if it strikes your fancy, stay, otherwise move on.

It's seriously not that hard to do the 'in one ear and out the other' thing if it doesn't work with what you believe; it's not like they're inducing belief through trauma or excess hedonism like the Satanists, so any cult-like vibes you're getting can be easily brushed off.

>>553966

BAZINGA

>>553993

Thanks mate, really made me think.

In truth I'll probably be a fake POS just a more secluded less social one, and likely for the same reason as me doing so is the reason they default to do it too; as they fear others will judge them or that it's inappropriate.

Thinking on it some of the people I've met in said church the couple times I went in the past did show signs of deepness and secretive feelings. One time there was a "turn and engage with your neighbor moment and pray for each other" type of thing and while it seemed cheesy I actually enjoyed it, as while people seemed vague to some degree there was real emotion and deep emotion-filled long hugs abundant in the room.

My only real complaint would still be the excessive praying/recruiting, but overlapping with this, if they're all hiding as to be appropriate who else do you have to talk and cling to other than God?

If you're powerless in what you've tried to fix or change and you can't tell anyone there's only one entity you would feel safe confiding in.

>>553997

I definitely agree; I've always figured even if I never become religious again I'd raise my children somewhat spiritually involved as I believe without such a connection or belief much of humanity crumbles away in this society.

tbh I think that's why statistically most mass shooters are atheists. It's not something to do with the people who become atheists, but more-so the lack of responsibility and community religion brings to people.

In an ultra-capitalist society without religion or some spook like it it'd be madness.

One of the reasons I'm not religious currently is because society and how it pushes/pushed me away, and how I can relish in the delusion that hopefully there is nothing after this so then at least I can be at peace. Really makes you open to the idea of a mass-shooting when all it'd do is leave a statement behind while you just peacefully go nowhere.

Really I should be thinking that rather than thinking I would refuse heaven if it existed due to how I was treated I should be thinking how rather than being unwanted others would finally understand.

>>553999

>It's seriously not that hard to do the 'in one ear and out the other' thing

Yeah it's just annoying.

Worst case I can delude myself into treating the situation as if I'm an observer rather than a participant.

>>553955

Cults are a parody of religion.

Just read your bible if you don't want to attend church.

>>554331

I have to attend church unless I was okay with destroying the family and never seeing a kid in it that I basically consider my own (as I raised her more than her parents did).

I don't have an option, at least right now.

>>554277

>My only real complaint would still be the excessive praying/recruiting

There is a name for your line of thought: being lukewarm.

>>553967

>which even as someone who doesn't care much about religion makes me fucking cringe.

Why?

>Should I skip the old testament for now then?

No, you start with a general overview of the NT and then read the OT to look for types of Christ (Jonah in the whale for three days, Isaac being sacrificed, etc.)

>>555085

>Why?

They have the bible on screens behind the stage up there where everyone can see very clearly.

So why are you using your phone?

Really ittles my skittles tbh

>No you start

Is there a particular bible I should use or avoid?

I have had bad experiences with the NKJ version, no idea about others although mostly hear/see NIV.