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>>551400

>this isnt as simple as should *we* judge

Sorry typo, I was typing egregiously fast on mobile.

Well what are you hoping to accomplish?

What you're suggesting has only ever, so far as I can tell, resulted in a kind of whitewashing. It has never produced less sin, just less obvious sin and a whole lot of resentment.

>Im asking because there is someone I know who holds the notion that they are forgiven and should not be called a slut, despite giving many many reasons as to why they should. They have no basis for their opinions as I believe it is no different than calling someone who steals a thief, or someone who kills a murderer.

Repentance literally means "turning away". So if they have repented, then your attitude is absolutely wrong, and will only engender resentment. You are potentially doing very much harm with this attitude.

>All are held accountable for their sins and should be responsible to the repercussions of them even if they are earthly bound social repercussions, otherwise their would be no moral ground to even have such acts be conceivable as sins.

It seems to me that you're very eager to punish. This in and of itself is a sin, unless you yourself are perfect.

>otherwise their would be no moral ground to even have such acts be conceivable as sins.

If the only reason you can come up with for why a sin is a sin is "society will hate me if I do this" then you need to work on your faith.

>>551400

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in all seriousness though I think this passage applies in your case

>Matthew 7:15-20

>15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I remember reading some Aquinas and he talked about the way in which God loves sinners. He said that God has a greater love for those who do his will, but He has an equal care for all. So I think it is normal to view some people with greater esteem than others and some with lesser.

Rebukes are often good, but simple one word insults are never very effective. Insults don't really carry much meaning these days. People will fling about insults like "whore" just because they hate someone—not because said person is actually promiscuous.

But be prepared to be judged as you judge. Remember that you sin a lot too, and if you are harsh on people for their sins, God will be harsh on you for yours too.

Honestly, just don't attack people personally. I mean, if a slut is bragging about how many times she's had sex, by all means rebuke her. But don't go out of your way to fling insults, and certainly not at people who have repented and turned away from such things.

>>551407

oh no sorry i had misconstrued-ed my wording , this person hast actually done anything, they just believe that people who do actually do things, predominantly sexually active women should not be called sluts or whores or have any degrading label on them christian or not.

>It seems to me that you're very eager to punish. This in and of itself is a sin, unless you yourself are perfect.

I am not eager to punish, you are simply misunderstanding.

>If the only reason you can come up with for why a sin is a sin is "society will hate me if I do this" then you need to work on your faith.

Who say's that is my only reason, and again where do you infer me saying "society will hate me if I do this". And yes you are right i do need to work on my faith a lot. I'm a logical academic man, I struggle with great difficulty having my faith, but not with temptation I am a morally fixated person, some people resent me because I won't 'have fun' when they go out and do things. I did have a struggle with alcoholism in the past however but I dealt with the repercussions and repented. People who do not, have no right to claim they shouldn't serve the punishments for their sins. I know I did.

Also please don't make this accusatory I simply want perspectives, opinions and beliefs. Not critiques in my explanation. its a subject of debate, not an analysis of what is factually present.

>>551417

You are completely right sir.

>if a slut is bragging about how many times she's had sex, by all means rebuke her. But don't go out of your way to fling insults, and certainly not at people who have repented and turned away from such things

That is what I am trying to say. I am not trying to say that insults should be said to the point where they hold no veracity, but in legitimate claims of individuals who are promiscuous.

>But be prepared to be judged as you judge. Remember that you sin a lot too, and if you are harsh on people for their sins, God will be harsh on you for yours too.

Believe me, I am prepared to be judged as I am, I don't hold myself to be at a higher standard than others. Where certain people are dragged astray by the way a women dresses and fall to that degeneracy, I am just as susceptible to a bottle of Johnnie Walker Green Label. Faults and temptations are subjective. And trust me my own father when I was a teenager used to yell at me calling me a drunk just like my mother.