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Yeah I'm pretty sure it's dogmatic belief but interpretation of it varies. Like regarding what it means to be truly "part of the Church."

Well sucks to be protestant then

>>550699

Yes, but baptism of desire, available also to non-Catholics, very much exists, as the constant teaching since the times of Church Fathers testifies.

>>550699

Yes and no. It is a Catholic doctrine, but it doesn't mean that all people who aren't officially members of the Roman Catholic Church go to Hell. A common phrase you'll hear is "we know where the Church is, but we don't know where the Church isn't."

>>550735

>what level of ecumenism are u on

>like 1 or 2

>you are like little baby, watch this

>>550753

Isn't that incredibly simple Catholic theology though? As long as the sacrament of Holy Baptism is applied in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, with a Trinitarian understanding of that statement, with water and with the intent to do what the apostles did then they are validly, even if illicitly, baptized, that is, initiated into the Church.

>>550735

>Unam Sanctam

>>550756

the problem here is highlighting the extraordinary cases and exceptions that makes people like >>550746 believe they don't need to be Catholic to be saved so he can keep being in error.

>>550782

Don't worry buddy, I know you guys think I'm going to Hell

>>550797

I don't know even if I am going to hell, m8.

>>550797

it appears you avoided reading my post and rather decided to strawman and shitpost. To each their own I guess.

>Is Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus' dogmatic catholic belief?

Yes

>Are catholics required to believe that christians from other denominations are doomed to hell?

No

Read CCC 846-848

>>550735

Yeah but most apostatise when they are told of the catholic church and say "That sounds too hard, I'm going to go to heaven the easy way"

>>550699

>Is Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus' dogmatic catholic belief?

yes

>Are catholics required to believe that christians from other denominations are doomed to hell?

no one is "doomed to hell" strictly speaking, only God knows that, but if you're saved while being outside of the Catholic Church, it'll be in spite of, and not because of, what you believe.

furthermore, if you actively reject Catholic doctrine, you're rejecting the truth and essentially calling good "evil," so you're certainly not putting the odds of salvation on your side.

the Orthodox believe the same thing, since we believe we are the Catholic Church. however, while Roman Catholics agree that there can be sacraments outside of the Church (and so, all validly baptized people are in imperfect communion with the Church, and this communion is even closer to perfection for those who have valid sacraments like the Eucharist), there is no such consensus in the Orthodox Church.

>>550712

>protestant

baby sprinkler*

>>551058

baptize your babies

>>550991

Why would it be?