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Maybe, but their souls aren't eternal.

t. Thomist

anything that is animated with an intelligent will, consciousness and capacity to suffer has some sort of soul and the breath of life within it.

God did not create elephants and dolphins and dogs as "zombies" with no spirit, that would make no sense.

>>550086

Why?

>>550198

>those comments under the vid

The same people who crusade for animal rights would walk by and scoff at a homeless man. They are for abortions "rights". I see the same kind of people come out of the woodworks on /pol/ when someones stars shitposting Chinese dog boiling.

>i love animals but i hate people

They all act like stupid women. No men amongst them.

>>550284

I find it very hard to care about people, but find it extremely easy to care about animals. In fact, I find the lack of empathy a very feminine trait.

I've always found it simpler to think of them as flesh-bots.

>>550312

How could that be? Women are the cruelest of the sexes, there's no arguing that. Remember that warrior ethics emerge naturally and organically from higher testosterone levels in the blood from a younger age in men because of their effects on neurological development of the brain. The keystone of warrior ethics is a high degree of courtesy, restraint, adherence to rules and an overriding regard for the safety of women and children. People who kill women and children aren't warriors, they are savages. It is perfectly normal with males who have low testosterone and low growth hormone to exhibit extreme aggression and be very ruthless killers. We could say that strong males kill with great discrimination, but weak males kill indiscriminately. Low testosterone is associated with narcissism and suicide, so you draw the conclusions.

>>550198

there is something about Anderson and the way he presents Christianity that just makes it sound really horrible, violent and pointless. i know that isn't the case but the way he puts all of these things make it sound like nothing more than a violent desert cult

>>550310

Have you ever seen the comments of a cute animal video? 99% of them are white girls.

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

>>550554

And this is empathy for what reason?

>>550590

*not to be confused with someone who would never know God

The difference is that a person can worship God, while an animal can't

>>550284

THIS

I do feel a bit for grape-kun, but that was largely extinguished by the fact that weebs obsess over him. It's sad what happened to him, but you have to remember that these are animals. It doesn't matter in the end.

If this video angers you, remember that they're not humans.

>>550570

That's what Solomon thought when he was an unbeliever.

Stop misusing and abusing this verse and READ THE CONTEXT FFS

>>550602

*it's likely he just lusted after her anyway; instinct

https://medium.com/@mombot/the-life-of-grape-kun-96a57d4a4364

>>550605

Post the context then. Hard to take you seriously when you curse, Orthobro.

>>550607

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

To understand mark17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

To understand marked passages better, read entire chapter 2 of Wisdom of Solomon

>>550610

I hate phoneposting

>>550605

lol

>>550610

Okay. But having excessive sympathy for animals is extremely childish and reeks of modern comfort.

>>550610

I don’t care what YOU think, I care about what the church and the scriptures say, anyone can put their own meaning in anything

"In comparing the soul of man with that of animals, St. Gregory [Palamas] says that animals possess a soul not as essence, but as an energy. 'The soul of each of the irrational animals is the life for the body it animates, and so animals possess life not essentially, but as an energy, since this life is dependent on something else and is not self-subsistent.' Therefore since the soul of animals has only energy, it dies with the body. By contrast, the soul of man has not only energy but also essence: 'The soul possesses life not only as an activity, but also essentially, since it lives in its own right… For that reason, when the body passes away, the soul does not perish with it.' It remains immortal [by God's Grace].' [St Gregory Palamas 150 Chapters, ch 38]."

>>550616

It'd be prudent not to use scripture as you have. Naturally the Orthobro would attack you based on that.

>>550615

>excessive

This is very adept word, but also remember Matthew 18:1-5. There's nothing wrong with being "childish", but then again this is coming from someone who anthropomorphizes inanimate objects like pencils and utensils.

>>550633

Yes there is. A child has no responsibilities, for example. So a 20-year-old who acts like a five-year-old and frolics and plays and has no worry is "okay" in your eyes? What madness is this?

By "excessive", I meant this:

I felt sorry for the cuckolded penguin and anger at his mate and her homewrecker-lover. But then I remembered that they're animals—why should I care so much for something so petty, based off of sexual instinct than any real human emotion? Empathy is not found in the animal world. The penguin lover and homewrecker wouldn't know better, and would only act different if the society around them scolded them for it. This is all based off of their instinct. They scold them because their instinct tells them to, not because they know they're in the wrong.

I am not saying to see them as the Jew, to be used as tools for your usage ("The world was made for us"). This is psychopathic and hurts my soul trying to understand it. I am speaking of a sort of near-indifference, but not complete ignorance. Not a feeling of complete carelessness which is wrong, but a passive feeling; "this is the way things go", I suppose. It's quite difficult to explain.

>>550684

I am not saying to see them as the Jew *would

>>550684

>So a 20-year-old who acts like a five-year-old and frolics and plays and has no worry is "okay" in your eyes

There's a difference between being childish and not taking up responsibility. Think of the potential to maintain a flexible and creative mind for problem solving by keeping the mind young, curious and playful. What differentiates children from adults is often time just plain bitterness.

>>550590

>But you can't teach them God, can you?

Have anyone tried?

http://myocn.net/pets-go-heaven/

ST FRANCIS OF ASSIS

>>550684

Jesus called a little child to stand among them. 3“Truly I tell you, He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven

Animals have souls because revelation 16:3 and not because of some arbitrary attribute like love

/thread

>>550081

>If animals can love. Do they have souls?

Spoken like someone with a surface level understanding of souls

>>550570

You're not jewish are you?

>>550615

What? I was proving complete opposite. that we are not like some kind of animals and that they do not have immortal soul.

>>550602

But humans do that exact sort of thing, anon

That is what truly grieves me, are we not more than them?

THe only purpose of animals is to feed us until Jesus comes back and to exude natural law principles.

For example, you should not marry a single mom for the same reason that a male lion accepting a female into his pride kills the offspring of the male of said female's former pride.

That's why God gave us marriage.

>>550824

>>Solomon asks a "Who knows?" question

>>anon turns it into dogma

>>contradicts himself by linking myocn.net that says "animals heaven no-no"

>Good work

everyone knows that animals have souls, just not an eternal soul like humans

>>550081

>lusting over 2d is literally bestial behavior

wew weebs

fucking autism