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f40cd6 No.550066

Pastor Anderson rebukes Roger Jimenez

Wait so does this mean Pastor Anderson is going to cut fellowship with Pastor Jimenez? Didn't he disfellowship Tyler Baker for this same heresy?

7221cc No.550070

>Partialist heretic vs Modalist heretic


9734b6 No.550074

So why did you get kicked out of Verity exactly?


9ff0d8 No.550075

>>550070

You are accusing Anderson of a heresy called partialism? Could you explain? If Jesus is not the Father but is still God, would that be considered partialism? How can Jesus be ALL of God and yet not be the Father, if the Father is also God? It seems like the only way not to fall into heresy would be to assert a logical fallacy, unless I'm misunderstanding something.


76749f No.550079

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>>550075

Boy do I have a video for you.


9ff0d8 No.550080

>>550079

Well that was funny and all but in the end it's basically admitting that the doctrine is incomprehensible.


223a0f No.550083

>>550066

Is the Trinity a concept too hard to grasp for most Protestants? This is the second time in a month one of Anderson's fellow 'pastors' seems to have mixed up what the Trinity means


9ff0d8 No.550084

>>550083

I think it's a difficult concept for everyone to grasp, if we're being honest.


38f358 No.550088

>>550075

>>550079

Wasn't this already answered wit the trinity doctrine, same God, different bodies, holy spirit, God, Jesus. I haven't watched that video in a while.


d62843 No.550090

>>550066

Anderson's Trinitarianism seems pretty orthodox from the video. Jiminez asserting that the Son is the Father is heresy tier tho.

also checked.


76749f No.550091

>>550080

The trinity is not incomprehensible, but it cannot be reduced to mathematical formulas. Anderson and Jimenez are both wrong for trying.

Like the video I linked said, the trinity is best accounted in the Athanasian creed:

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.


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d62843 No.550098

File: 700c515786a1032⋯.jpg (56.8 KB, 856x482, 428:241, christfriendspotted.jpg)

Also, show yourself, baptist poster.

>"some of these stupid silly alt-right websites that I officially disavow"


7221cc No.550108

>>550083

>Steven Anderson

>Roger Jimenez

<Protestant

>>550098

What is this?


5e0986 No.550112

>>550108

It's a screenshot from one of my videos.

I'm not posting a stupid "sup /christian/" selfie.

You're just going to have to believe.


7221cc No.550118

>>550112

>I'm not posting a stupid "sup /christian/" selfie.

That's fine, I don't want you to. Just a timestamp with your face will do


d087e8 No.550230

>>550066

Anderson just had him preah abou the millenium at his church.


5e0986 No.550296

>>550118

That doesn't require faith, bruh. If you've been on discord and you've been on the voice chat, then you would recognize my voice.


9734b6 No.550338

>>550296

What was the reason you got kicked out of Verity?

Do you really think that Anderson church is a cult?

Generally curious, don't want to attack you.


b2fd66 No.550345

File: 81c78f30de4253c⋯.jpg (14.98 KB, 250x250, 1:1, 7ddc6685e90bd43c063bac43ea….jpg)

>more Protestant infighting

>3 more denomination form


bcd39d No.550511

File: 763c37f2cd5c614⋯.jpg (72.18 KB, 497x640, 497:640, 763c37f2cd5c614b62e2abf4d0….jpg)

>>550066

Another IFB schism or division?


be2fd5 No.550516

Anybody know if Anderson and Jimenez have contacted each other over this?


c266b0 No.550542

wait so then who’s gonna be the next true protege of angel pastor Jim?


9ff795 No.550555

>protestants schism again

why does it keep happening fam


be2fd5 No.550591

File: e7f9c8352f0284a⋯.png (1.23 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)


4d2d6b No.550638

File: 39a657f633a137b⋯.png (181.14 KB, 1200x1071, 400:357, ClipboardImage.png)

Why some protestants find this concept so hard to understand?


223a0f No.550640

>>550591

Isn't that guy a unitarian?


bbe881 No.550666

>>550654

That's what people use to try to disprove the trinity


bbe881 No.550667

>>550638

We don't

Also stop using retard language


5e0986 No.550670

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>>550338

>Why did you get kicked out of verity

Several contrived reasons. Mainly "railing" and "false accusations." RJ used Romans 16:17

<Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

to suggest that I'm apparently causing some legalistically defined quantity of division because we discuss God's first principles

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ZjOiJ7Qp-CemxNQ3RCOWpFWm8/view?usp=sharing

Our church is in Sac. In the north area of sac is an area called "North Natomas." It's relatively higher class than the surrounding shithole that is Sacraghetto. RJ uses Saturdays to send everyone to North Natomas to try to witness to the people who have the most money. He's a parasite.

I didn't lie. I didn't rail. I didn't falsely accuse anybody. And using Romans 16:17 to suggest that I caused division is stupid.

>Is Anderson a cult operation

Yes. Check the comments on my videos. All of them.

>Generally curious, don't want to attack you

There's no shortage of information on my channel exposing him. RJ is a proven liar, here is proof. Watch what really happens vs. what he says. Watch how he says it.


5e0986 No.550720

File: f0c597b128681f6⋯.jpg (62.29 KB, 1014x1049, 1014:1049, new ifb order.jpg)

>>550654

BUMP

hahahahahaha

#ThatsTheJoke

He's saying that sarcastically AGAINST people who think like Tyler Baker and RJ.

RJ is silver medal in this New IFB movement order behind sanderson1611.


c266b0 No.550728

>>550670

huge if true


5e0986 No.550732

>>550728

It is 100% true – I was there next to the person recording that on his phone, dude. Is it a standalone thread?


605078 No.550759

File: 474f784e6b3a6ec⋯.jpeg (32.09 KB, 500x500, 1:1, smug-anime-face-57be4b82b….jpeg)

>>550066

>the heretic S. Anderson has produced another trinity-denier


1dfe8f No.551412

>>550090

>Jiminez asserting that the Son is the Father is heresy tier tho.

He can't really blame his pupil if he himself has taught the very same thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRD8AGSQSEA


9ff0d8 No.551421

>>550638

Everyone intellectually honest admits the trinity is hard to understand.


17a533 No.551425

Set theory and formal logic qid until symptoms resolve


3aa5b0 No.551486

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6dd5ff No.551530

>>551486

thanks to Textual Critics for confirming and validating the bible, where would we be without them??

>James white

>bible is inerrant and perfectly preserved

>Except for all these verses that were added later and forgeries

calvinists, not even 1nce


7221cc No.551536

>>551530

>>Except for all these verses that were added later and forgeries

I don't understand this argument. Unless you believe in re-inspiration, this is exactly what everyone believes. If you support the Textus Receptus you believe every reading which conflicts with that text is a later addition or "forgery".


6f8a52 No.551554

>>551536

Bit difficult to say your Bible is infallible and perfectly preserved when its text was chosen by educated guesswork based on the best evidence and techniques available to the authors at the time.


6d9c06 No.551625

>>551554

Not unless if it's inspired by the Holy Spirit


35c41c No.551727

A!=B, B!=C, and C!=A. The variables in question are persons. There is one God and three distinct persons, all of whom possess the fullness of God inside them (if I'm not mistaken).

The three persons of the Trinity are like three Borg drones from Star Trek, and the knowledge they possess is like God. There clearly are three persons, but at any time, the fullness of all Borg knowledge is in any single drone. Checkmate, modalist scum.


bdbf23 No.551855

>>551421

It is hard at first but not impossible and very easy to understand.

Make sense of that :^)


0d657c No.552748

>>551727

I think the problem stems from these KJV-only-ists who believe the KJV Bible is literally God or something along those lines, but they never bother to read the actual Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and learn about Church history. Not that they have to accept all of it, but I would think it's worth listening to what the 12 Apostles had to say, for example.


7221cc No.552759

>>551727

>The three persons of the Trinity are like three Borg drones from Star Trek, and the knowledge they possess is like God

God isn't something external to the persons, the persons are God. God is personal, and each person is the fullness of God.




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