8fda25 No.546953
>Police removed a group of young Catholics from the cathedral in Brussels after they recited the rosary out loud, disrupting a service celebrating the Reformation.
>The Catholic Cathedral of St Michael and St Gudula hosted the service with the United Protestant Church in Belgium, the country’s largest Protestant denomination. UPCB president Steven Fuit, who preached at the service, said the event sent a “strong ecumenical signal”.
>However, several young Catholics disrupted the ceremony by reciting the rosary at the back of the Cathedral, preventing the pastor from beginning his sermon.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/video-police-remove-catholics-praying-rosary-from-reformation-service/
85d965 No.546955
Its not outright flipping the tables and shaking away the bulls, but its a very good start.
8fda25 No.546956
What are some possible changes in the Church's traditionalism that we will see in this new generations of Catholics? Most young priests and young Catholics are traditionalists. Notice how the ones favouring ecumenism in the video are old.
51d793 No.546959
Thanks for letting the protestants know the Catholic church would still persecute them if given the power.
Though to be honest the UPCB just needs to die. It's worse than worthless.
85d965 No.546962
>>546959
Yes we would.
What are you going to say now, stopping people that twist the original church is bad?
Or is this rather a "THIS VIDEO IS PROOF YOU WOULD USE A SWORD TO THREATEN US IF YOU COULD" post?
d03ec5 No.546967
>>546953
good. catholics BTFO
>>546956
6f8002 No.546968
>>546967
If they were BTFO, then they wouldn't have been able to do it in the first place. Getting kicked out for your beliefs isn't being BTFO'd, it's being proven right.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matt 5:11
984a97 No.546969
d03ec5 No.546974
>>546968
>Getting kicked out for your beliefs isn't being BTFO'd, it's being proven right.
>man robs house then get kicks out
>he was right
>catholic logic
6f8002 No.546976
>>546974
>robbing a house
>praying the rosary
<these are the same things
Baptist logic.
51d793 No.546988
>>546962
>What are you going to say now, stopping people that twist the original church is bad?
No, Reformed theonomists like myself support anti-Roman Catholic laws if they were on the table.
>Or is this rather a "THIS VIDEO IS PROOF YOU WOULD USE A SWORD TO THREATEN US IF YOU COULD" post?
It's a "Get the .50 Gustav and show these papists purgatory on earth!" post. :^)
85d965 No.546992
>>546988
Well, that's a nice complete 180 form the earlier post.
Did you realize you were wrong or something?
>>546969
>Boomers
You're forgetting the generation before the boomers, friend.
https://archive.fo/5m9kx
>The Greatest Generation (GG) actually qualifies as one of the worst generations in the history of the Church. Though most consider them to be “great” because they fought in World War II, they went to war because they had to. When they came back from the war, they were disgruntled. Discussions of virtue stopped with them. They did not embrace their cross or appropriate their suffering. Instead, the GG complained about their suffering. Unlike those before them, the GG lacked a virtue of mortification. Living members of the GG refuse to admit to the faults and errors that have increased under their watch, and they look at the last 40 years as a stepchild to be forgotten.
086858 No.546994
YO UPCB I HERD U LIEK PROTESTING SO I PROTESTED IN YOUR PROTESTANTISM SO NOW YOU CAN PROTEST OUR PROTESTING WHILE YOU PROTESTANT!!
cb7274 No.546999
Didn't know Catholics were so inconsiderate
51d793 No.547000
>>546992
>Did you realize you were wrong or something?
I think you misunderstand me. "stopping people that twist the original church" is right, but you didn't define "original church". It's obvious that conservative, evangelical Protestants are the ones who are keeping the original church intact.
Though, to be fair, UPCB is a post-modern cesspool. You can go ahead and take that out. You'll do us a favor.
fbc4ce No.547002
>>546976
robbing a house and disrupting a church service are both shitty things to do and something you should be arrested for.
9a55c8 No.547004
>>547002
The Rosary is a gift sent to help with efficacious prayer. You can feel free to witness the mysteries of our faith any time.
5d0d3a No.547006
>>547002
Ur not very smart eh? It was an interdenominational autism thing which hopefully only praised protestantism or sadly maybe gave them communion or something.
85d965 No.547008
>>547002
Yeah such a annoying thing to get church service disrupted. Remember that time when that guy in the book got cast into hell for flipping tables in a church because he believed commerce in the church was bad?
We just need to let people believe what they believe, that's what the bible is all about.
dba382 No.547010
fbc4ce No.547014
>>547006
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/video-police-remove-catholics-praying-rosary-from-reformation-service/
>>547008
>We just need to let people believe what they believe
not sure where i implied that, i apologize for miscommunicating.
i just think maybe there is a better way to get people to change their mind about roman catholicism than having 7 kids chanting to the queen of heaven while the pastor is trying to deliver his sermon.
if the roles were reversed (protestants interrupting a catholic service) would you think the perpetrators should be arrested?
85d965 No.547020
>>547014
>if the roles were reversed (protestants interrupting a catholic service) would you think the perpetrators should be arrested?
Yes. We are subservient to the state, since God has ordered us to follow him first, but then the king, and then our father.
I'm not sure what you were trying to pull with that one!
>i just think maybe there is a better way to get people to change their mind about roman catholicism than having 7 kids chanting to the queen of heaven while the pastor is trying to deliver his sermon.
God sure doesn't agree.
But while I'm here have a image of Christians destroying a Pagan tree.
8a43c9 No.547043
This is no way to mend the divide in the Church.
4aaa19 No.547049
>>547043
So are we suppose to be cowards like the last sixty years and keep doing intercommunion bullcrap and hope we dazzle them with boot licking ego stroking and hope that convinces them to come back. We are told to proclaim the truth, if they don't like it to bad.
8a43c9 No.547052
>>547049
I fail to see how illegally disrupting someone's service will do anything but harden his heart against your cause.
4aaa19 No.547055
>>547052
Oh no, they were peacefully praying. How dare they, how will God forgive this slight against humanity. Throw them in prison, so their violence and evil cannot harm another poor soul.
8a43c9 No.547057
>>547055
Praying loud enough to the point of causing a disruption that stalled the sermon isn't particularly peaceful.
4aaa19 No.547058
>>547057
And neither was whipping people and turning over tables. Maybe you should go cry at Jesus for not being peaceful enough for you.
cb7274 No.547060
4aaa19 No.547061
>>547060
Did I hurt your feelings.
773992 No.547063
>>547060
not that anon but he's right, those young men praying is the right thing to do. Praying that your brothers will come back into the fold is not evil. Christ is not some hippy who just wants you to get along, there is a definitive right and wrong. These young men are showing nothing but compassion.
>>547061
Don't be juvenile about this, be the better man don't fall into childish name calling. Be patient with our errant brothers
171c16 No.547065
8a43c9 No.547068
>>547058
Jesus cleared out the Temple due to the rampant greed and commerce taking place there.
It's not comparable to this situation, where Protestants and Catholics were making some sort of an attempt at peace, evidently with the approval of the bishop presiding over the cathedral. By protesting, these people were not only worsening Catholic-Protestant relations, but also most likely fighting directly against the will of the clergy who they're supposed to submit to.
4aaa19 No.547070
>>547063
You can piss off with the high horse crap as well. If you want to be a coward and play these games and never hurt their poor feelings then go ahead. That time is quickly ending.
4aaa19 No.547072
>>547068
We submit to them because they submit to Christ. If they want to celebrate a heretic then I don't need or care about what they want in that situation. If they agree with stifling these peaceful people praying for these lost souls then that's something they will have to explain to Christ at the end.
773992 No.547073
>>547070
when did I say hurting their feelings was bad? I'm telling you to stop being a childish retard about it. Telling them to their faces that they are wrong and that they need to repent is not cowardly. But acting like a gradeschool bully about it and replying with "you mad bro!?" isn't helping. Be patient with them they are simply mislead, but don't shy away from telling them they are wrong just be smart about.
773992 No.547079
>>547076
what are you talking about you sperg? I just said there is no problem with hurting feelings, Christ himself said some pretty mean things, but they where in the end truthful and delivered in an ultimately loving way. I just was advising that you act like an adult about this conversation
4aaa19 No.547081
>>547073
If responding to someone so easily offended, and that hides behind some bullcrap idea of being peaceful is childish then I don't give one tit what you think either.
>>547075
We are not commanded to follow them into Hell.
8a43c9 No.547082
>>547072
How can you claim to be Catholic if you rely on your own interpretation of truth instead of that of your Church? That seems to me like a rather Protestant thing to do.
773992 No.547084
>>547081
It's the way you did it not the fact you did it. There is no issue with telling them that they are in the wrong but the whole "you mad bro?!" response plus the fact that you aren't responding with much substance is not helping our case. I encourage you to challenge them on their crap but try to do it in a way that is respectable.
8a43c9 No.547086
>>547081
And how can you independently tell which path leads to hell if you believe that your Church reserves exclusive authority to interpret what that path is?
773992 No.547091
>>547088
>Seeing I did hurt his feelings by defending peaceful prayer, I don't give to shits how you think I'm being.
Alright man what ever. I was defending you and still am, but if you want to be hostile to me then so be it.
4aaa19 No.547092
>>547082
Nope. Just like I don't have to believe or follow any of them that say sodomy is healthy and God condones it, I don't need to follow someone celebrating a heretic and silencing of prayers from faithful Catholics.
>>547079
>>547084
>"you mad bro?!"
Seeing I did hurt his feelings by defending peaceful prayer, I don't give two shits how you think I'm being.
>>547086
They hold authority as long as they are faithful and loyal to the Church. The coward clergy that sided with old king Henry didn't have authority once they did and neither do todays cowards who want to destroy the church from the inside.
62eca9 No.547104
Any (((ecumenism))) event should be disrupted anyway.
062547 No.547170
>>547102
This and >>547104 this tbh.
Ahh well nothing new under the sun here in Belgium it seems; from pro-gay 'bishops' to protestant ecumenism, the Church here is dying out at a fast pace.
I'm glad I live close by a Tridentine mass and a Byzantine mass parish.
Sadly these aren't well known and especially the Tridentine one (which I frequent every week) is too scared to get more known because the 'bishops' hate real catholics (not even trying to be holier than thou, they really hate non-progressive people).
b0c615 No.547181
>>547068
>Jesus cleared out the Temple due to the rampant greed and commerce taking place there.
Ecumenism is little more than profiteering off false teaching and unduly giving credit where it's not due.
"Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you."
43c481 No.547187
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6bcda6 No.547193
>>547170
>We belong to the Church Militant; and she is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are ever restless to encompass her destruction.
- Pope Pius XII
>We must now break silence, in order to expose before the whole Church in their true colours those men (modernists) who have assumed this bad disguise.
- Saint Pope Pius X
>The worst kind of heretic is the one who, while teaching mostly true Catholic doctrine, add a word of heresy, like a drop of poison in a cup of water.
- Pope Leo XIII
Many popes have warned us that heretics will try to infiltrate the Church to try and destroy it from within.
God bless you man and I will be keeping you in my prayers. The bishops reap what they sow, modernism doesn't work out and only the parishes and dioceses that adhere to traditionalism will survive. I think we're going back to the times of the Early Christians slowly.
062547 No.547204
>>547193
>modernism doesn't work out and only the parishes and dioceses that adhere to traditionalism will survive. I think we're going back to the times of the Early Christians slowly.
Oh they are all already evaporating, as one of my parishioners likes to call it.
I used to go to regular Novus Ordo parishes and I tell you within the decade they will be halved at the least and the rest who's still there will most likely not get saved.
Not because the mass is illicit or whatever, just because it doesn't save.
People in a NO mass don't know what is actually happening, they don't care to follow the Church and the priest doesn't give a fugg.
Truly these parishes are tiring if anything.
Thanks for the prayers brother, I'll do the same.
9b73f0 No.547227
>>546988
>>547000
How can you support persecution of them, and then turn around and object when they want (or even do) to persecute us?
>>546962
>What are you going to say now, stopping people that twist the original church is bad?
No, I'm going to say that murderering civilians, shutting up the gospel and preventing true worship of God are bad.
6f8002 No.547252
>>547187
>and in the corners of the streets
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
85d965 No.547261
>>547227
>No, I'm going to say that murderering civilians, shutting up the gospel and preventing true worship of God are bad.
And I'm going to ask, why are you talking about this, for it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
43c481 No.547268
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
9b73f0 No.547277
>>547261
The original comment was "the Catholic church would still persecute them if given the power".
6f8002 No.547278
85d965 No.547280
>>547277
That argument was completely off topic then, so I should regard it as completely off topic now.
cb7274 No.547304
Matthew 5:11-12
>"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
>"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Whether it be Jews, Romans, pagans, or Catholics who persecute Christians, remember the God is always there and is protecting you
85d965 No.547311
>>547304
Are the Pharisees blessed?
a6e1a2 No.547357
>>546953
>The Catholic Cathedral of St Michael and St Gudula hosted the service with the United Protestant Church in Belgium, the country’s largest Protestant denomination.
What hecking Bishop authorized a Protestant service in a Catholic Cathedral on "Reformation" Sunday???
33ed32 No.547360
Absolutely Church militant
4b8123 No.547418
>>546953
Meh, my mother and I always thought that praying the rosary was witchcraft. Still, they didn't need to interrupt church service.
85d965 No.547419
>>547418
>they didn't need to interrupt church service.
>despise reading the bible people still think Jesus Christ was a friendly guy that adhered to 21th century social norms
Are you more afraid of people around you than God or something?
4b8123 No.547422
>>547419
Look man, it's 2017. We need to get with the times and become more inclusive don't you think?
e3a51e No.547452
>>546956
>Most young priests and young Catholics are traditionalists
It's a shame that most bishops/archbishops/Francis aren't traditionalists, which will mean all these new traditionalist priests will get stuck as vicars, monks or deacons, and the liberals will continue to promote each other as always :^)
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/pope-planning-retire-say-allies-hes-appointed-enough-liberal-cardinals/
062547 No.547482
>>547357
Welcome to Belgium; where a pro-life philosophy teacher gets kicked out of a """""""catholic""""""" university and bishops can write books about allowing homosexuality and still be bishop.
651515 No.547502
>>547452
That's a very shady source you have there.
Still, it's not wrong to think he's going to try and pull shit like that.
9dd891 No.551770
To think we are bickering amongst each other like this, when we have so many external enemies
aeb331 No.551773
>“Our Cathedral of St Michael and St Gudula is a Catholic building built by our fathers to be a House of God, for the celebration of the holy Mass, for the praise of God and the saints.
>“The occupation of our cathedral by Protestants to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Reformation is therefore a profanation.
Catholic Lives Matter? Disrupting speeches is heathen behavior.
b43686 No.551789
>>546976
>(((they))) were right fir making the house of God a hoise of merchandise
2ad639 No.551797
>>551773
>Disrupting speeches is heathen behavior.
Yeah. Have another vile example.
>So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
Heathen! He was crucified for that, thankfully.
e93ef3 No.551798
>>546959
>IT'S LITERALLY ANOTHER PERSECUTION
catholics have been persecuted by majority protestant countries aswell
why are protestants so annoying when they play the victim card?
80071f No.551805
>>551797
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
2ad639 No.551817
>>551805
Do you also not pray in the church or something?
Its recommended that you also pray in secret, that does not contradict with saying that praying in public is not outright forbidden in all contexts.
Unless your Protestant church does not attempt to talk with the lord at all during Mass in which case you've got me beat.
0b0a91 No.551841
I'm glad you didn't prevent this
4432df No.551844
>Catholics: disrupt some protshit service with the intent to piss people off
>Same Catholics when they get kicked out: "why are we persecuted so?"
0c021a No.551850
>>551844
It was in a Catholic Church genius. If anyone should have a problem its them. If they want to celebrate the reformation then they can go to one of their "churches".
c18631 No.551931
>>546953
This is unbecoming. Brothers in Christ bickering at each other and playing 'who's the Holiest'.
c4dc79 No.551966
>>547419
I don't know, Christ seems like a friendly "guy" to me.
d800a7 No.552364
>>547452
Well, liberals will run out of priests eventually, traditionalists will keep growing.
66c400 No.552370
>>551844
This was done from a catholic cathedral in the capital city in what used to be a catholic country (so much that it was a factor in declaring its independence from the Netherlands).
The fact that they were removed made a precedent that a catholic can practically not pray the rosary in church anymore.
2376d8 No.552391
>>552364
Liberals don't need priests to be Christian, brother.
d800a7 No.552394
>>552391
But the Catholic Church needs them to make bishops.
74674e No.552402
>>551844
It was in a Catholic cathedral lmao