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You are a misguided Christian.

Furthermore, if your church tells you not to even communicate with heretics, you're probably in a cult. I'm not saying that is the case, but that is the impression I'm getting from the first half of your post.

>>546717

Yea you best flee this place. Generally speaking all that is left are matthew 7:6's. The occasional matthew 10:6 drops in though so I have stuck around for now.

>>546719

>what is titus 3:9-11 and 1 corinthians 5:6

>>546719

I belong to the Body of Christ.

If you actually read the Scriptures you will see that Paul is actually talking specifically about the ones that are called brothers.

"I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. " 1 Corinthians 5:9-10

>>546717

OP's post is a ruse to get us to worship that lamb.jpg that he clearly idolalize. Why else would he save and post such a picture? The only explanation is idolatry.

>30 minutes

>>546721

>Being a Matthew 13:7

Personal attacks and false accusations further proves my point.

>>546726

>what is mark 16:15

>what is 1 peter 4:9

>>546722

>If you actually read the scriptures you will see that X

Every single snowflake

Every single time

>>546732

T.2 peter 2:22

I am here trying to help those that are legit stuck here, don't fall for the deception that you must have fellowship with these that are idolaters and called brothers.

"All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. " 1 Corinthians 6:12

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not." 1 Corinthians 10:23

Read the Bible, don't think that you can't understand it, pray that God may help you, He gives wisdom freely for those that ask, we really need the Word of God.

Even if you end up alone at some point, have faith for He is faithful.

>>546722

Why did you capitilize the "B"? I can't find an example of that anywhere in the Bible.

>>546742

The "B" in Body that is.

>>546743

I did that because it belongs to Christ, I often do that to words that belong God

Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek didn't have small letters/capital letters like English does.

>>546740

>fellowship

Aren't we here for the Papua New Guinean bone necklaces?

I will leave now, I hope this post helped somebody out there.

Read the Bible, it is very important and know that you are not alone.

>>546751

Le epic trollface.jpg

I think OP was being serious unlike yourself.

>>546748

>I often do that to words that belong God

>possibly forgetting everything belongs to God Isaiah 40:28

If you are going to argue the "B" should be capitilized, atleast wait until revelation 19:7 when exodus 20:7 no longer applies.

>>546752

I hope you enjoyed your thirty minute stay!

Next time, please try lurking before posting and actually learning what other denominations teach before condemning them all to hell.

>>546755

>what is ephesians 4:3-6

>what is 2 peter 1:20

It's time to go back to reddit.

>>546735

Is that supposed to mean anything?

I care as much abot your quotations of the Bible as I care about Mormons'

>>546717

0/10 bait. Won't even bother

Why do you faggots keep ageing this thread? Newfags I swear.

>>546721

We've told you multiple times on this board: if you cite from the scripture, post the entire verse. Your autism is irredeemable. If you want to sound smart, it doesn't work, it's just irritating.

>>>/reddit/

Fuck off Redditor.

Its not like he is wrong, though. Ive spent much more than thirty minutes on this board, and it is ridiculous here. The swearing on this board, even the taking of the Lords name in vain is astounding. This board seems more concerned with petty squabbles and self righteous criticisms than that of talking about Christ, or learning about Him. You dont really see much about how to spread the gospel, just what flavor is right. Ive been blown away by the pride of the catholic whoremongers. I dont care how much you try shuffle around it, praying to Mary and having statues of her is clear cut idolatry. Peter was not the rock, the knowledge that Jesus is the Son of God is the rock the church is to be built on. Peter wasnt even the first bishop of Rome. This place is Ichabod, and the OP is right. Its too bad, this place couldve been utilized as a wonderful tool to reach the younger generations.

>>546995

But he is wrong. Naturally the swearing and sinning is unhealthy but we're on an imageboard and there's only so much of that you can expect not to see. Many of us are in "rehab" from the culture of bitterness here. Despite you speaking of the board as if this behavior is endorsed, I think you'll find only a handful that would truly support it (if that).

And for the last time, just because you possess a personal interpretation of veneration as idolatry, it doesn't excuse you not reading the writings of the saints of the early church who spoke on the issue or attempting to familiarize yourself with the dogmas about iconography. If you have done both, and still feel the way you do, fine. You are free to express your opinion here.

But be aware that when the Cathodox have centuries upon centuries of holy, biblical tradition behind their stance that your opinion will be dismissed frequently – and I find the notion that you could find that insulting to be naïve, given the hostility with which this subject is usually handled in the public sphere.

Then again, why am I even bothering? I'm trying to stick to the principles of my faith and treat you with respect, but given that you're calling Catholics "whoremongers," you've already decided that your doctrinal interpretations trounce love for our enemies. May God have mercy on you.

>>547053

Can you explain how he's a hypocrite, I don't get it.

>>547051

Yet again, the shuffle is inherently forthcoming. God doesnt care about your traditions, especially the extra-biblical ones. I hope you get all upset when God called others, "whores" and, "fools" whener you actually do read your bible. You put more confidence in the opinions of fallible men long dead than the everlasting WORD. We all know you really dont have anything else to back your faulty cathodox notions. Anyways, love is not always soft and snuggly, so get used to it cupcake.

>>547053

Care to quantify that?

>>547059

I'm lost for words. How can you not see the hypocrisy in this?

>>546995

>>546947

>>546936

>>547056

>>547059

Contrast the upper quotes with the lower quotes.

I shall do it for you.

What I imagine the upper one means is "There is no reason to attack other denominations, only to follow the word of God"

What I imagine the lower ones mean, is "You are wrong for being Catholic, for the Catholic tradition is wrong".

And I will be rather surprised if the meaning of those is different.

>>547059

>your faulty cathodox notions

There he goes again.

>>547067

I did not say attacking other denominations. I criticize different flavors of the Gospel, and not letting the Holy Spirit guide and teach. There is nothing wrong with attacking Catholicism, due to its flawed theology. There is no basis for exalting the opinions of some dead men long ago over the inspired WORD of God. Its simply preposterous. Logically, if you are catholic, and catholicism is wrong, it would only make sense that you would be wrong being a catholic and following a tradition that is anti biblical. Sorry that this is a hard point to understand.

>There he goes again

As do you, friend. Make a point that is not whining about people being what you perceive to be mean when its really just rebuke. C'mon

Actually no, here, have a refutation.

“The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.”

― Alberto Brandolini

By the way, I still believe you're a hypocrite but you pulled a 180 and lied about your earlier statement so you wouldn't get axed.

Let us leave this thread, it wasn't going to be anything important.

>>547172

Rome was not as involved as ypu think. The greeks played a heavy role. Besides that, guess what? They are still fallible men. If they believe in the, """veneration""" of any besides God or Son then they are patently false. Im telling you to raise valid points because you have raised none. Ive not solely hinged what im saying on them being dead - why listen to them when what theyre saying clearly contradicts scripture? Its right there. Why bother believing them, when the very teacher is right there with you(in theory?) The Holy Scriptures has much to say about tradition, spirit worship and vain babbling. You need to deal with it, brother. False doctrine can damn you to Hell

>>547178

Oh great, what is wrong with the veneration?

Oh no let me guess

>They kiss them!

Romans 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss.

>No, but they make graven images of them!

Exodus 25:18 “You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat.

>They ask them to pray for us!

James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

>But they're dead!

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

>Besides that, guess what? They are still fallible men

Unlike you, apparently, since now you have the valid reading and they don't(Because you have the holy spirit and they don't, apparently)

I am now going to raise you my valid point.

Ever since the New Testament, Jesus Christ made alliance with the one Church.

Yes, the Church. Not any church, but the one his followers erected.

At least both the Orthodox and the Catholic church try to validate themselves as the original church. The protestants just agree with each other through ecumenism and pretending their wildly varied beliefs are the same church and there's nothing wrong with that, because reasons, and now the non-traditional parts of the Vatican are falling too.

If you do not follow the Apostolic tradition, you are not with the alliance of god, and that false doctrine can damn you to hell.

>>547190

>Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I don't get it, how's this saying you should pray to dead people to pray for you? I'm a brainlet

>>547192

I'm saying they're not dead.

Good post OP.

Only true Christians are going to make it into heaven and a true Christian is identified by their following the word of god/Jesus Christ.

So people that play violent videogames, have sex outside of marriage, gays, trannies, people who eat shellfish, people who put up Christmas trees (as the pagans do), etc.

ALL are going to hell when they die.

And though your overall point was that Christians should not be hanging out with these types of people or behaving in such ways that does not at all mean that Christians shouldn't be trying to spread the word of god to these people from time to time as the Bible instructs Christians to prosyletize their message to the masses.

So going among sinnners occasionally to do that is perfectly ok from Jesus's perspective just as he himself visited sinners to do the same.

>>547174

>Have a refutation

>only provides a quote

>still believes im a hypocrite

>cant tell me how

>i pull a 180

What exactly was that?

>wants to leave the thread

>says its not important

By the way, youre a blatant hypocrite because you agreed in swearing being wrong and yet you post a quote with a swear word. This was a ridiculous conversation, indeed. Heh.

>>547199

>people who eat shellfish

Here are a few examples of Old Testament laws that Christians generally do not observe:

Prohibited foods: Pork (Leviticus 11:7) Certain other animals (Leviticus 11:4-6) Shellfish (Leviticus 11:10) Certain birds (Leviticus 11:13-19) Certain insects (Leviticus 11:20-23) Meat still containing blood (Leviticus 17:12)

Circumcision required for males on eighth day (Leviticus 12:1-3)

The death penalty for: Attacking or cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15,17) Disobedience to parents (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) Failure to confine a dangerous animal, resulting in death (Exodus 21:28-29) Witchcraft and sorcery (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9) Sex with an animal (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16) Doing work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36) Incest (Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21) Adultery (Leviticus 20:10) Homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13) Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14,16, 23) False prophecy (Deuteronomy 18:20) False claim of a woman's virginity at time of marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) Sex between a woman pledged to be married and a man other than her betrothed (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

Feast day observances required: Feast of Lots (Purim) (Esther 9:28) Passover (Pesach) (Deuteronomy 16:1-8) Feast of Weeks or Pentecost (Shavuot) (Leviticus 23:15-21) Feast of Trumpets or New Year Festival (Rosh Hashanah) (Leviticus 23:23-25) Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) (Leviticus 16:29-32) Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) (Leviticus 23:39-43) Saturday (seventh day) Sabbath observance (Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 35:1-3)

Animal sacrifices: For sin (Leviticus 4:27-35) For Passover (Exodus 12:3-11)

>>547201

>you agreed in swearing being wrong

We have IDs.

Now explain yourself, you have called the Mother of God a "whore".

>>546995

>The swearing on this board is astounding

>catholic whoremongers

mkay

>>547205

So when do you plan on rebuking GOD for calling others whores?>>547203

My apologies, it was another poster. Anyways, no i was not calling Mary a whore. Its your idolatry OF Mary that makes you a whore. In fact, thats how GOD described the idolatry of the baal/ashtoreth/moloch/golden calves/etc worshipping Israelites. Whoredom.

word salad mmmm

>>547212

Please stop wasting my time and say something of substance. Tell me how I am a hypocrite. Its pretty simple - you do it, or eat your words.

And stop swearing

>>547212

I see what you are getting at. I never said anything about petty squabbles. I was criticizing the fact this board as a whole seems to be more focused on arguing about the gospels than trying to spread the gospels. Which is true. Besides that, catholics are not to be considered Christian - just like JW and Mormons. Theology and doctrine is too different.

>>547212

I'm going to assume you just lost your IP and therefore your ID changed. Moving on.

>Tell me how I am a hypocrite

It was explained in >>547053 and in >>547067 and then a response was given in >>547167 but I do not understand it since I can't really see how you could have possibly said that.

I'm convinced that if you seriously believe there wasn't a contradiction in what you said, then you're a person that is very bad at explaining your current positions.

>>547220

>I never said anything about petty squabbles

>>546995

>This board seems more concerned with petty squabbles and self righteous criticisms than that of talking about Christ

>>547222

I meant to reply to >>547216 on the first link. Oh, whatever.

>>547194

I still fail to see how that is evidence that we should pray to saints. Also James 5:16 says to confess your faults to one another to pray for one another. But how can dead humans hear us confess our faults to pray for us? Are they like Jesus and can hear our thoughts and words from heaven?

Fair enough. Though its no excuse, im at work, tired and phoneposting. Apologies. Anyways, i did not start a petty squabble, I merely stated that cathodox beliefs are wrong. Even then, theres nothing really petty about it - im okay with conversing about it. Anyways, no, declaring your cathodox whoredoms is neither petty or swearing. Its biblical. Period. Why cant you understand that? Its so plain. You better rebuke God as well. Theres no hypocrisy on my part, to my understanding. There was no intent to argue, if thats what you think this is. Im genuinely disappointed with this board, for the reasons I stated. If someone can prove that the Mary, """"veneration"""" isnt idolatry, praying the rosary isnt vain pagan babbling, and praying to spirits is biblical ill listen. Dont tell me about the supposed church fathers. Until then, get over it.

>>547233

If God can allow people to hear the gospel despite not knowing the native tongue of the speaker, then he can surely allow the saints in heaven to hear our petitions if it is righteous and proper to Christian life.

>>547249

I don't see any of them around

>>546717

>he thinks Christchan is an idol

We don't even post her that much.

What next? Are you going to say crusader memes are idols?

>>547250

>If you don't see them they're not around

Help

Me

>>547254

How does Revelation 20:6 imply they're not dead and can hear your prayers? You just keep saying "they're not dead" without explaining how.

>>547265

>>People that are in heaven are alive

If it was going to come to this I guess I should've said something silly like, "the saints aren't on this earth right now, you can't talk to them face to face or touch their physical bodies." I didn't know you were going to play this semantic game with what dead means. That's beside the point though, how can saints, or anyone in heaven besides God hear our prayers?

>>547234

>Im genuinely disappointed with this board because It doesn't follow my denomination

Heh

>>547272

>I didn't know you were going to play this semantic game with what dead means

you must be new here.

I would like to add something. Board, is clearly infested with people who instead of it being lead by god, are lead by politics, aesthetics, and everything in between. You shouldn't be a christian, just to wear on your wrist as an example of masculine poofery. Every time I come here, it seems like a great many are here because it seems like a counter culture to them.

>>547282

I am. I came back to Christianity a few months ago.

>>547279

That's a good point

>What happens form here to there? You're not worthy anymore?

I don't know, I'm just trying to find a biblical argument to support that the saints can hear our prayers.

>>547290

>I'm just trying to find a biblical argument to support that the saints can hear our prayers.

By the time of the New Testament, the Old Testament was being abolished and the New Testament was being brought in. Jesus Christ was JUST bringing his new faithful in. There were no "dead" saints to pray to during the time of most gospels, Judas committed suicide early but he probably went to hell for what he did. Maybe if you count the Theotokos.

Chances are you're not going to find much.

>>547293

Fair enough. And you have opened my mind a bit to the whole idea of asking saints to pray for you with your last post.

>>547293

>There were no "dead" saints to pray to during the time of most gospels

If so, why do the apologists use Job, Psalms and other Old Testament and Apocrypha references to justify it?

>>547306

Well I completely missed those verses

>>547273

Is that what I said? Have I espoused a denomination?

>>547308

Okay wait, so you espoused your own views without naming any specific denomination.

Is this your defense?

You're disappointed that we don't follow your views so its different?

>>547309

NO, i am disappointed with the board because so many times i see a bunch of posters who swear. Many are very rude. They argue over pointless things. The catholics end up in my view being the worst of all of them, as a whole. Im disappointed because I dont see muh FRUIT being borne. Im disappointed because I dont end up seeing many of you actually following JESUS. Anyways, YOU are the one bringing my denomination into this. Im trying to espouse THE BIBLE. Naturally, I will criticize cathodox because they dont follow biblical precepts and precedent.

>>547307

I'm just saying that isn't really valid, unless you want to say all the apologists were wrong to use the Old Testament which were written even before that.

Like telling angels in heaven to praise the LORD is supposed to be a "prayer" to those angels, even though in the next verse he "prays" the sun and moon to do the same.

Psalm 65:1-2

Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.

O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

Psalm 5:1-3

Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation.

Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.

My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.

>>547313

The spirit teaches you all things. You CAN be led into the truth, if you dare. You need to stop putting words into my mouth. I dont believe im, "literally Jesus." Thats preposterous, and you know it. Let me make it simple. The word says do this, and dont do that. When I see people NOT listening to it, that makes me disappoint, son. Get it? Just because i recognize this doesnt mean I get all prideful. You need to check yourself. The bible means much more than nothing, what a joke. Those dead people? THEY ESPOUSED THINGS THAT ARE ANTIBIBLICAL. Its not that they are dead, its that they are WRONG. Let that sink into your skull before you post again

>>547321

>You need to stop putting words into my mouth. I dont believe im, "literally Jesus." Thats preposterous, and you know it

It doesn't matter that you didn't literally declare that, you speak as if you were 100% certain of things.

Sadly, you seem too dense to understand the concept of "Maybe I read this verse wrong" so if anything I think you should leave.

>>547202

the whole thing looks like an subtly obvious dig at Rome of the kind I'm sure you've never heard before

>>547326

This is bordering on silliness.

>It doeant matter if you didnt literally declare that

Yeah it actually matters alot, guy

>Im just gonna believe you think that way!

>You speak as if you were 100% certain of things

What a crime i have committed. Im sorry you lack conviction, buddy.

>You seem to dense to understand the concept of "maybe i read this verse wrong"

Im waiting. Its a very easy concept to understand, actually. Show me how I am wrong. Show me! Dont just tell me. Maybe you should leave.

>>547345

Coming from the guy who thinks that being certain of a thing means that the person thinks that theyre "literally Jesus…" Your words mean nothing to me. Time and time again it has been PROVEN** that i cant read and write? I get it. Youre a troll. You cant be anything but. You almost had me, actually.

>>547345

Also, I merely suggested that you might leave, I never told you to. If you arent a troll it is you that has the comprehension issue.

This argument is getting a little ridiculous, so I'll jump in here and link a biblically-oriented Orthodox defense of iconography meant for Protestant considering switching denominations.

https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxbridge/is-there-a-biblical-basis-for-icons/

>>547350

You did literally say that and you did literally mean to say it. Why even say that? You implyed that having the certainty I did in what I know is right is like being literally Jesus full of the Holy Spirit when its pretty common and youre the one all worked up about this because you cannot understand. Even then, what is so remarkable about being convicted, if you cannot tear down what I am claiming?

>>547353

>what is so remarkable about being convicted, if you cannot tear down what I am claiming?

But I am debating you right now.

My current argument is that you're not very literate.

>You implyed that having the certainty I did in what I know is right is like being literally Jesus full of the Holy Spirit when its pretty common and youre the one all worked up about this because you cannot understand

You realize that you're not only the holy spirit? You also have your material flesh. And now we have a problem. The spirit can be resolute, but the flesh can be prideful, both lead you to believe you've got the correct understanding of the bible, but the truths you preach will be different.

>>547358

Im heading to bed. Keep this in your browser and I will get back to you tomorrow.