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>vaticancatholic.com

I'm sure this will be an unbiased source :^)

>>545986

There are some disingenuous cuts in there.

>>545986

>set up Jesuit pastor

>attack him for not being Catholic

>more non-Catholics follow a Jesuit

5-D chess

>>545986

PROTESTANTS BTFO!

>>546022

>Anderson

>Protestant

>>546094

It's not mocking, they're trying to show that he's a lunatic and that people shouldn't follow him or what he says, for the good of their own souls.

>>546152

Yeah but they spend most of it attacking biblical doctrine like sola fide

>>545991

I’m not a Catholic, nor a defender of meme monastery, but the documentary is actually a fair accessment of Anderson.

Just one example: they actually rebut Anderson’s claim that gays can’t be saved by analyzing the Greek text of 1 Corinthians 6:9. Anderson states that Paul wasn’t mentioning homosexuality when the King James Version said “abusers of themselves with mankind.” The video goes on to state that the Greek term that was translated as “abusers of themselves with mankind” in the King James LITERALLY is a concatenation of male and bed, which means men who sleep with men! To make matters worse with Anderson, the Greek terms are used in Leviticus 18:22, a verse that Anderson knows well.

In short, meme monastery isn’t picking on poor old Anderson. He’s getting the thorough rebuke that he deserves.

>>546158

Thanks for the Greek lesson, buddy. It's a real shame that us Anglophones will never have the entire, uncorrupted Word of God.

Will OP post it now in every thread where Anderson is mentioned?

>>546155

>biblical doctrine like sola fide

Now there's something to mock.

>>546161

Hey, I’m just telling you what the Diamond Brothers said. Besides, many bible translations DO translate that passage as homosexuals. Quit being so passive-aggressive about a summary.

>>546163

Hopefully, he's a goddamned heretic and false teacher.

He denies both repentance and the trinity (he'll lie and say he doesn't), and encourages suicide. He is of the devil, and frankly his videos should be banned here as all false teaching ought to be.

>>546094

Tbh despite my liking for Anderson despite not following reprobate, sola scripture or anti catholicism ideas, he always talks big and challenging everyone, in the most sensationalistic way possible, so documentaries of this type become inevitable by Anderson's own actions.

>>546161

Friends, this is called willful ignorance.

>>546222

He fell for the “going back to Greek is bad” meme. Typical of uneducated Andersonites

>>546170

>he denies the trinity

That's just false witness. Anderson had a major spergout over nontrinitarianism recently. I don't think he's necessarily always right, but calling him a nontrinitarian is like calling him a gay rights activist

>>546288

Here's the first trinity spergout sermon

>>546290

Second

>>546292

Third

>>546293

Here's a non-sermon vlog on it from the spergout (this is how you know he's serious about what he's saying)

>>546294

And he was still ranting about it weeks later in unrelated sermons

>an non self-aware heretic

Who'd've thunk.

I'm 30 minutes in.

There are none righteous, no not one, so when Paul states that the unrighteous will not inherit heaven, keep in mind:

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

He is saying that no one will enter heaven without the righteousness of Christ (which is given unto us by God). Same goes for all the other statements where it says that people who do certain things will go to hell. Like the law, it is meant to convict you and make all guilty before God, so as to lead you to Christ.

When people are twisting the word of God and following false prophets then it is reasonable for Pastor Anderson to assume that they are not saved, but that does not imply that he thinks that twisting the word of God and following false prophets is the reason why they're not saved. The reason they're not saved is because they have not trusted in the blood of Christ. Twisting the word of God and following false prophets is the symptom.

I can't believe he's spending all that time on that.

>>545986

HHRRRNGHHH YES! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HIS!

You know, with how often Anderson gets posted here, I'm surprised at how little attention this is getting. Maybe because it is Sunday, maybe because its two hours long, maybe because it is from the Meme Monastery, but I still expected some more people running to Anderson's aid.

He's also a Nestorian. There's a youtube video of him denying that Mary is the Mother of God, using the exact logic Nestorius used.

>>546394

The Diamond Brothers went over that in the video OP posted. It should be a bannable offense to unironically post and advocate Steven Anderson’s video.

>>546094

>>546152

I don't think pastor anderson is mentally disabled. When he did that video attacking NEETs and weeaboos I knew he was fully aware of what he's doing and is just straight up trolling.

>>546025

>Anderson

>Christian

>>546407

>When he did that video attacking NEETs and weeaboos I knew he was fully aware of what he's doing and is just straight up trolling.

Is that the one where he tell people who play video games to grow up or was it his Bad examples of Japan sermon?

Wow useless 'documentaries' made by some mediocre lukewarm papist degenerates.

Here's all you need to know:

CUCKS hate Pastor Anderson with a passion.

Non-Cucks appreciate him.

>>546385

>maybe because its two hours long,

>maybe because it is from the Meme Monastery

it's these for me, i am not going to devote two hours of my time listening to someone whose opinion i don't respect (sedevacantist catholics) monologuing about some preacher who i already think is wrong on a lot of things, but is overall a decent man who's brought many to Christ.

the "video" title even has scarequotes, so even before you "play" it you "know" it's "going to" be trash.

>>546425

>muh cucks!

That's all you got, eh?

>>546425

>CUCKS hate Pastor Anderson with a passion.

>Non-Cucks appreciate him.

Anderson married a black man to a white woman

>>545997

DNA test determines his maternal grandmother is more jewish than american jews

see the last part of Marching to Zion a Tex Marrs "documentary". also in the video, rabbi's give anderson, the supposed goy, interviews.

i have doubts whether or not he is sincere, but Marching to Zion is an excellent video.

>>546430

No you rapist. But take the rest in hell.

Jesus suffered and crucified because man makes mistakes. Personally, I many times every day and do not consider myself immune from following a false prophet.

Many true followers of Christ, will indeed, follow false prophets and the anti-Christ. This is written.

I'll try to do my best as a mere man, pray for guidance, and request God's Mercy daily.

But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. and the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

>>546465

Despite Anderson's flaws He can be entertaining and I thought his Holocaust video was pretty good. Pray he converts (not to meme monasteryism though).

>>546502

Better than any other english version that's for sure.

also

>vaticancatholic.com agian

no

leave my dude alone. he's a meme but he's our meme

>>546508

Let me ask you something,

Have you ever posted Anderson's KJV-Only documentary on this board? It seems to me, if you have, then you are not being intellectually honest by promoting one view and refusing to listen to the other.

>>546511

I listened to Anderson debate James White over KJV onlyism.

Also I'm not listening to an u saved person's perspective, especially when they do >>546469

>>546528

>I listened to Anderson debate James White over KJV onlyism.

That did not answer my question.

>won't listen to an unsaved person (read: Catholic)

<listens to Anderson

>>546532

Why should I listen to the unsaved?

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

>>546465

nigga pl0x, jews didn't invent hebrew

http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx

>>546538

Ignoring for a moment the fact that you, a human, cannot judge the state of anyone else's soul, Let's assume for a minute, Mr. Dimond is saved, but the content of this video is otherwise unchanged. Then what would you say about OP's video? Would you still follow Anderson?

>>546555

Yes I still would because the video maker takes stuff out of context as I said here >>546469

>>546288

>>546290

>>546292

>>546293

>>546294

Regardless, he has still denied that The Father is not the Son is not the Spirit. He claims all three are the same person.

He has dismissed these criticisms as "sloppy teaching", but what is heresy but sloppy teaching?

He's a heretic, plain and simple.

>>546559

Besides I've always heared him say that they are different people. He goes through the entire book of John in one sermon proving that.

>>546425

>lukewarm

>Diamond Brothers

They are the closest thing to Catholic fundamentalists out there. I don’t see how they are lukewarm. But why criticize the documentary without explaining why? Sounds like a waste of time to me.

>>546421

I remember if I recall it was the one where he made fun of people in japan playing a dating sim game.

>>546511

>then you are not being intellectually honest by promoting one view and refusing to listen to the other.

This implies he came up with that view. Also I'm not sitting through another 2 hour long video when it doesn't even concern me.

>>546555

>Ignoring for a moment the fact that you, a human, cannot judge the state of anyone else's soul,

We are told to avoid false prophets, so why is he wrong for not wanting to listen to someone who doesn't even have the gospel right? Galatians 1:9. Not wanting to listen to someone is not the same as literally peering into their soul and summarily condemning them to hell like you seem to think people are implying they do.

Nobody does that, you just like to say "don't judge" so you imply they do. Even though someone teaching a false gospel needs to be publically noted so people don't listen to that person, as it says in Galatians 1:8-9.

Avoid false prophets.

>>546560

>I've always heared him say that they are different people

So he's a Tritheist

>>546622

No, tritheism is the belief they are of three substances. The trinity is three persons of one substance. They are different people, the Father is not the Son

>>546559

He stated that if he ever preached something anti-trinitarian, it was misspeaking. He then offered an example of some sermon where he described people "getting saved and going to Hell or being unsaved and going to Heaven." You're not seriously arguing that if he misspeaks we should view it as an official Anderson teaching. Anderson isn't right about everything, but there is no need to bear false witness against his to accuse him of false doctrine. He is a defender of the trinity, plain and simple

>>546636

They aren't different 'people', that's Tritheism. They are the same being.

>>546640

Means to say three distinct persons. Stop being like this anon.

>>545986

Protestants desecrated the Host @01:57:00? Seriously?

Hummm, wonder where protestants got the concept of Host desecration.

Although anderson has his flaws and certainly warrants being exposed, I had to stop about 9 minutes in.

Rev 21:9 says all liars have their part in the lake of fire and romans 3:4 says yea let God be true and every man a liar.

The narrative appears to be that Jesus didnt atone for people who commit murder but did for other "mortal" sins (???), which is unbiblical. Last time i checked Jesus died for all sin and all we have to do is believe that He did so. Otherwise youre being lawless in the full biblical extent of the adjective's definability.

Doesnt look like this is the guy to "expose" Anderson.

Sorry guys.

>>546741

He’s talking about unrepentant murderers (hence the example of someone who dies in the process of murdering a family), the point made there was about losing your state of grace. Even if you don’t agree with the theological points or the rambly video style, things like calling the Bible God, rejecting the idea of repentance and saying sodomites are beyond salvation should be known to any would-be Anderson admirers.

it seems to me that people who mock Anderson must be spoiled

or perhaps I am starved for good bible preaching

sure he is anti-catholic, as could be expected, but the lion's share of his sermons are (or should be) uncontroversial and his points are valid and true, and more to the point, these are not things I hear from my parish priest on a weekly basis, and especially not with the talent of delivery that Anderson possesses.

and who the fuck is saying that anderson is not trinitarian? are they retarded? this is slander you know and slander is a sin

inb4 people call me a falseflagger HEY THIS IS MY HONEST OPINION OK not everything has to be cath v prot turf wars

>>546781

>sure he is anti-catholic, as could be expected, but the lion's share of his sermons are (or should be) uncontroversial and his points are valid and true, and more to the point, these are not things I hear from my parish priest on a weekly basis, and especially not with the talent of delivery that Anderson possesses.

What Parish do you go to where denial of repentance is preached? Where suicide is promoted? Where baptism is not necessary for salvation? What the fuck?

>and who the fuck is saying that anderson is not trinitarian?

He says that the three persons are the same, and yet claims to be "trinitarian". He's trying to hide his heresy.

>>546784

>he says

SAID. Past tense.

>what is heresy but sloppy teaching

Heresy is the willful and obstinate post baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith. To dismiss a prior teaching as "sloppy" obviously negates the "obstinate" part. Being willing to correct your past mistakes is a mark of honesty, not of heresy.

>What Parish do you go to where denial of repentance is preached? Where suicide is promoted? Where baptism is not necessary for salvation? What the fuck?

As far as I know the first two are applied by Anderson only to sodomites. The third is standard Protestant boilerplate if I am not mistaken.

Why are you feigning outrage in order to discount the entire body of work of a man who is clearly trying his best with the light that he has? Just chill, dude. Of course I do not agree with him on everything but when I do agree I agree wholeheartedly. He has a gift for making the truths of the Bible relevant in today's jaded era. I believe that on the whole his work is much more beneficial than harmful.

>>546787

>As far as I know the first two are applied by Anderson only to sodomites

I don't care who he applies it to, it's heresy. Homosexuals can be regenerated, end of.

I'm not even going to read the rest because you're obviously trolling.

>>546788

>I'm not even going to read the rest

ok you trole me, good one, I'm totally mad

>because you're obviously trolling.

ahh, so this is what the troll says when he feels bad for his victim and wants to give him a hint that he is trolling. ok buddy, message received, you are trolling. here is a cute animu 4 u, no hard feelings

>>546790

I have learned a bit about storytelling and marketing from my time in the hell of fan fiction

Anderson is doing it right imo with regard to "jumping around and screaming like a fool".

The reason I say this is social signalling.

Many people will be quiet and reserved because it signals to others that they have a deep and spiritual interior life. Anderson (clearly to me at least) consciously forsakes this, which tanks his reputation, and I cannot but see that as a true sacrifice for God.

He is obviously intelligent. He could easily stand up and be respectable and say things in a manner which would signal that he is a super intellectual and respectable fellow. But he sacrifices this for the sake of showing through his action what the proper emotional response of Christians should be to a given thing. It seems to me that this is a more efficacious way of leading the flock than a bland sermon delivered dryly or with feigned and stale emphasis, as I personally see so commonly.

However, I do intend to watch the documentary in question.

Thanks bro, hope to meet you in heaven.

>>546793

>consciously

He's a babbling moron with no control over his temper, probably also daemonic influence. Nothing conscious about it.

>He is obviously intelligent

How? Watch the video, you haven't been paying attention if you really believe this. He constantly contradicts himself on basic issues. You even admit this on the trinity issue.

Let me guess? It's just rhetorics right? Fuck Socrates, right? Sophism is the way to go, right?

Fuck you and fuck off back to /pol/ you fucking LARPer. You know nothing of the true faith.

>>546794

I have watched probably at least 30 hours of Anderson sermons, it is on that basis that I say he is obviously intelligent.

An above average intelligence can understand a thing well enough to say it back to an audience exactly as he understands it, thus confusing the hell out of the audience and making a terrible sermon. It takes more intelligence than that to condense the crucial points into an understandable form. Try it yourself if you think it is so easy.

>Nothing conscious about it.

This is your opinion, my opinion is different. Why must every protestant be "daemonically" influenced?

>He constantly contradicts himself on basic issues. You even admit this on the trinity issue.

You have given no examples, but I will watch the video.

>Let me guess? It's just rhetorics right? Fuck Socrates, right? Sophism is the way to go, right? Fuck you and fuck off back to /pol/ you fucking LARPer. You know nothing of the true faith.

I have no idea what you're on about. Maybe try making an argument? I'll respond to arguments.

The video ignores John 6:63.

>The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you–they are full of the Spirit and life.

>>546798

THis post ignores that "The words I have spoken to you" are not "words" but "THE words I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU" i.e. this words "Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you"

>>546640

That's modalism budy

>>546796

>Pastor Anderson is obviously intelligent

He’s charismatic, delivers impassioned sermons, has a feelgood theology that is obviously superficially appealing, has clever schemes like "soul winning" and has generally enthralled his flock in a manner that frankly appears cultish. I don’t necessarily have a problem with describing charisma and a silver tongue as a mark of intelligence, but we must at least distinguish between the intelligence of a slimy salesman and of a scholar. Anderson at the end of the day is all style and no substance. Where he distinguishes himself from other such Fundamentalist Baptist preachers theologically (which itself entails more than a few stinkers), he comes up with whimsical nonsense based on poorly interpreted scripture (he clearly struggles with archaic language of his God-Bible) that does not withstand any level of intellectual scrutiny. I don’t know his credentials, but I can tell you he does not have the philosophical chops to adequately defend his positions, which is clearly why he is known for his sermons instead of apologetics. All this to say Anderson that as enraptured as you may be listening to him, you won’t hear anything that could be described as spiritually edifying come from his lips.

>>546428

>whose opinion i don't respect (sedevacantist catholics)

So you don't respect him because of his Sedevecantism – a position which you acknowledge as being a wrong and mistaken Christian doctrine.

>monologuing about some preacher who i already think is wrong on a lot of things, but is overall a decent man

So you are willing to accept that a person can be wrong about a lot of things, but also decent and deserving of respect, and have correct assessments of Church doctrine despite other wrong assessments.

Double-think, thy name is f499ee.

>a decent man who's brought many to Christ

Anderson hasn't brought any people to the true and authentic Christ. At best, he's brought people into a mock-Christianity and those people later realized he was wrong and then left him for the real truth of Christianity. Those who remain in his flock haven't accepted Christ – they've accepted an idol that Anderson has erected; an image of Christ that does not reflect the real God.

>>546508

>>545991

>>546538

>>546539

>"Hurr, I don't listen to Catholic arguments presented by Catholics because Catholics are wrong automatically! Catholics are biased in favor of Catholicism! If you want me to listen to a Catholic argument, it must be presented by a Baptist who is biased against Catholics and totally won't misrepresent their argument!"

<>watches a Baptist take down a Catholic strawman

>"Well, well, well, it looks like I won again! If the Catholic position is correct, the person who would convince me of such a thing would definitely be a non-Catholic!"

>>546538

>>546621

Pastor Anderson himself admits that you cannot know if someone is saved or not; you can only assume they are. Basically, by limiting your intake of Christian knowledge to "those who are saved," you are limiting your Christian knowledge to sources that you already agree with or already have a preconceived desire to agree with. Essentially, basing all of your Christianity off of what you, yourself, have already chosen to believe.

It honestly pisses me off that Catholics and Orthodox Christians will sit through hours upon hours of Protestant garbage, listening to their positions and actually taking the time to understand the real arguments they are putting forward, but when a Catholic or Orthodox presents a carefully crafted argument against Protestants, they come back with "LOL TL;DR" or "Couldn't get past the first 10 minutes because he said something I didn't like."

God said that those who seek, find. Catholics and Orthodox will dialog with the opposition on the off-chance that they are mistaken because they are actually seeking the truth. They aren't scared that their own position will be destroyed when they listen to Protestants because they know that if their beliefs are true, they won't be destroyed, and if they are destroyed, they weren't true. Protestants, on the other hand, are so threatened by a good Catholic or Orthodox argument that they retreat from them haughtily and in arrogance. Their time is just too important, their egos too large to be bothered with seeking the truth because they are convinced they've already found it.

Gonna have to go and ask God for forgiveness due to my wrath over this matter.

>>546868

>Gonna have to go and ask God for forgiveness due to my wrath over this matter.

Isn't it only a sin if you desired to punch a protestant over it?

>>546870

Not as far as I know. A sin can be anything that creates a proclivity to sin; it engenders vice by repetition of the same acts. This results in perverse inclinations which cloud conscience and corrupt the concrete judgment of good and evil. Since I have not been given authority by God to either judge or administer justice, my anger only serves to put enmity between me and my neighbors. Instead of allowing myself to feel hostility towards my brothers and their attitudes, I should be merciful and compassionate for their shortcomings all the while being sure to protect myself from their sin's influence and praying for God to make a change in their hearts and allowing myself to facilitate that change if called to do so.

Easy for me to say and to understand, but hard for me to subscribe to. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

>>546768

>state of grace

>unrepentant

Repenting means believing. You cant unmurder someone after you do it, thats what romans 3:4/rev 21:8 1-2 pumch combo meana. Thus galatians 5:4 defines a state of fallen from grace as relying on your works –thus unrepentant.

Sorry bro, you fell for the works salvation in denial hell-trap. Repent and believe the gospel.

>>546826

Okay… So what did Jesus mean "the flesh counts for nothing", if "Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." is the words that He spoken?

Either He's contradicting Himself or He's saying the idea/experience (spirit) of the Eucharist is what gives life-not the Eucharist itself.

>>546878

>this is what prots actually believe

>>545986

>Meme monastery

>Meme pastor

Looks like the battle of Vitamin K.

>>546794

>getting mad

>>546868

>Catholic or Orthodox presents a carefully crafted argument

>When did the apostles said x is doctrine?

Replies with non-contextual, outlandish hermeneutics or fall back to "tradition".

>Points it the category errors, and ask when did the early church said x was a doctrine

Replies with "arguments from silence"

Every👏single👏time👏.

>>546865

I can prove catholics weong with their own Bible

douay rheims Acts 16

[30] And bringing them out, he said: Masters, what must I do, that I may be saved?

[31] But they said: Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Also the guy took where Anderson randomly qouted Mathhew 2:21 i stead if an actual sermon called "once saved, always saved" and he didn't qoute the other 2 verses or look up what the Father's will even is

>>546868

Maybe because the guy making that is a conplete retard >>546469

>>546891

You realize there's a bunch of stuff that comes up to believing with Jesus?

John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments

James 2:14What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead.

1 Corinthians 13:1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

The point is all starts with faith, and works must come form faith(James 2:18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds), And love must come with faith, though it all starts with Faith.

>>546895

>James 2…. again…. 746th time

That's lroving your faith to man by your works because man can't see your faith. And that not doing works but believing profits no one but yourself.

>>546897

James 2 is nice summary but I dare you read Session Six of Council of Trent aka Real Doctrine Justification without those three allusions to James and you will see that Paul said the same thing.

>>546937

>How can you say you are saved, if you show no good fruit in line with such claims?

Because it's whosoever believeth

>but can that faith be alone and still be true faith according to you?

Depends what you mean by that. You still belive and will go to heaven but your lack of works doesn't help anyone but yourself

>>546826

It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

>>546865

>Basically, by limiting your intake of Christian knowledge to "those who are saved," you are limiting your Christian knowledge to sources that you already agree with or already have a preconceived desire to agree with. Essentially, basing all of your Christianity off of what you, yourself, have already chosen to believe.

Let me follow this up with a question. If you have received the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ, wherein we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, why should we not believe Christ's word that "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

>what you, yourself, have already chosen to believe.

I can see where you're coming from, but what if this is something I received, not something I myself chose to believe. After all, faith is the gift of God. So what about that situation.

Also someone could still be saved but teach something wrong. That's why I listen to others but the final authority is the word of God, which is also where we derived the precept to avoid false prophets altogether. One could suppose various reasons for why this is a good idea, but ultimately the reason we do it is because God actually commanded it.

>>546868

>They aren't scared that their own position will be destroyed when they listen to Protestants because they know that if their beliefs are true, they won't be destroyed,

I'm not interested to listen to a two hour monologue about one guy bringing up the same tired points I have heard before when I could be dialoguing with people instead. Also I'm sure some baptists have listened to the video, you are just overgeneralizing both sides.

>>546895

>The point is all starts with faith, and works must come form faith(James 2:18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds),

And notice how it's one man showing another his works. See 1 Corinthians 4:1-4.

>>546937

>What kind of a faith is that, that does not even lead to works of any kind?

A true faith is known by the person holding it. The point is the person holding it doesn't look at their own works as saving themselves any way. Now whether he can demonstrate his faith to others as in James 2:18 is another task set before us. But we are dealing with people right now who want to say you know you are saved (in the first person) because of your works, which is a false gospel.

It's very important to keep the first and second person distinct. Faith alone saves. But furthermore, unless you are the person in question, you can't know who else has faith unless they are doing works, and this is also important, for the believer: avoiding false prophets; and for everyone else: to see their faith. If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.

>>547130

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer. 17:9

Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Isa. 6:9

they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. Matt. 13:13

We must always challenge ourselves for the right faith, lest the heart decieve us, lest we hear but do not understand. It is possible the "revelation" you recieve is satanic trickery. We must always search for the Church Christ founded, even if we think we know the truth.

That is why I listen to Protestant arguments. That is why I let them develop their positions further than I could get in a dialog. That is why you too should approach the kingdom of God like a child, unlearned, curious, and without bias.

>one who is saved can still teach error

No. We must have the same faith as the apostles. If you believe and teach something different, you are not saved. Whoever is not with me is against me; sheep and goats; strait and narrow. few there be that find it.

>>546915

>Just sum it up

Where in the Bible it is written that Dogma must be described in Bible

But for you, I will sum it up, biblically, in one verse Galatians 5:6

>>546937

>What kind of a faith is that, that does not even lead to works of any kind?

Ask St. James

>How can you say you are saved, if you show no good fruit in line with such claims?

Ask Anderson (pbuh)

And now fun stuff aka "Protestants cannot read:half millenium edition"

>Heretical,

If you deny Canon 9 then you deny Matt. 7 and Luke 8 as cited (which you conveniently ignored) not to mention others.

>Heretical,

If you deny Canon 32 then you deny Chapter XVI and so you deny that:

>1 Corinthians 15:58 "Our labour is not in vain in the Lord"

>Hebrews 6:10 "God is not unjust, that he should forget our work"

>Hebrews 10:35 "Confidence hath a great reward"

>Matthew 10:22 "He that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved."

>Romans 6:22 "We have our fruit unto sanctification, and the end life everlasting"

>2 Timothy 4:8 "There is laid up for them that love his coming a crown of justice, which the Lord the just judge will render to them in that day"

>Revelation 14:13 "Works follow them who die in the Lord"

>Matthew 10:42/Mark 9:40 "We shall not lose his reward."

>2 Corinthians 4:17 " For that which is at present momentary and light of our tribulation, worketh for us above measure exceedingly an eternal weight of glory."

>1 Corinthians 1:31/2 Corinthians 10:17

"He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord."

>Matt. 16:27; Rom. 2:6; Rev. 22:12; "God will he render to every man according to his works"

><"for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."

Which is What Holy Council said Canon 1.

If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

110 Rom. 1, Rev 3

><"Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due*. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."

See again Canon 1. If you not see it, let me use comentary

Ver. 4. Now to him that worketh, &c. a reward may be looked upon as due for his works, and not bestowed upon him as a free gift; but when it is said he believed and was justified, (this belief or faith was always a liberal gift of God) and when no mention is made of his works, it appears that such a justification and sanctification are not from the works of the written law, nor from any works he could do of himself, but that they are according to the purpose, or decree of grace. (Witham) — Such a man, says the apostle, challenges his reward as a debt, due to his own performance; whereas he who worketh not, that is, who presumeth not upon any works done by his own strength; but seeketh justice through faith and grace, is freely justified by God's grace. (Challoner)

><Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin.

Canon 1

><“Not everyone who psays to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will qenter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness*.’

Canon 1&9

And if you do not see it:

Ver. 21. Here Jesus Christ shews, that it is not sufficient to believe in him and hear his words, but that in order to salvation, we must join works with faith; for in this shall we be examined at the last day. (Menochius) — Without faith they could not cry out, Lord, Lord. (Romans x.) But the strongest faith without the works of justice, will not be available to salvation. (1 Corinthians xiii.) (Bristow) — Many who have the Lord continually in their mouths, but care little about putting on the Lord, or penetrating themselves with his true spirit, will find their presumption, and the false consciences they have made to themselves, wofully disappointed. (Haydock)

Ver. 22. Have not we prophesied in thy name? The gift of prophecy, and of doing miracles, may sometimes be granted to bad men, as to Caiphas, and Balaam. (Witham) — Under the name of prophets, the Hebrews comprised not only such as predicted future events, but also in general all such as gave themselves out for inspired, or who undertook teaching and interpreting the holy Scriptures; and here by prophesying is understood, in a general acceptation, all public functions, predicting futurity, expounding Scripture, instructing the people, preaching, &c. (Bible de Vence)

Ver. 23. So as to approve and reward your works. Here he shews that even prophecy and miracles will not save us without good works. (Menochius) — How much less will faith, unassisted by good works, preserve us from condemnation. (Haydock) — The gift of miracles is bestowed on men not for their own good, but for the advantage of others. We must not then be surprised if men, who had indeed faith in Christ, but whose lives did not correspond with their faith, should be honoured with these extraordinary gifts, since the Almighty sometimes employs as his instruments in working similar wonders, men destitute both of faith and virtue. Balaam, void of faith and probity, still by the will of God, prophesied for the advantage of others. To Pharao and Nabuchodonosor were revealed future events of the greatest moment; and the wicked Judas himself cast out devils. Therefore St. Paul said, "if I had all faith so as to remove mountains, and if I knew all mysteries, and was possessed of all wisdom, but had not charity, I am nothing." (St. Chrysostom, Hom. xv.)

><^For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

><^Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

And this belief have to be belief of living faith, faith working through charity. For "even demons believe and tremble"

>second pic related

Scripture and Council speak with one voice, contrary to heretics like Luther or Calvin. What's your problem? Also:

>Citing Saint "I would not believe in Gospel if not Catholic Church" Augustine

>Thinking that I would take him seriously after this

lmao

I will though, for I am not God and will not judge you as reprobate

>>547186

>We must always search for the Church Christ founded

<And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

<For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Luke 11:9-10

>one who is saved can still teach error

>No. We must have the same faith as the apostles.

Did you just put words in my mouth. If so, praise God.

So one second you are criticizing someone for not listening to the unsaved, the next you are going in the opposite direction. What kind of example of stability are you? I already told you we must avoid false prophets.

The final authority is the word of God, not the fallible man.

>>547130

>It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Then live by those words and not ignore them

Also

>Man shall not live by bread alone

>This means: Man shall not live by bread

>>547197

>So one second you are criticizing someone for not listening to the unsaved, the next you are going in the opposite direction.

It goes back to what I said before. You and I cannot judge the state of someone else's soul. You cannot know definitively who is and is not saved. That is why we must listen to others and assess what we accept as true. There is one truth. Does Anderson have it? Does Pope Francis have it? The only way to find out is to listen to critical examinations of both. Otherwise we lose ourselves in a bubble.

>>547195

>>547196

>Catholic "arguments"

>>546945

>Because it's whosoever believeth

Belief isn't a tip of the fedora and then on your merry way, it's deep, intimate and continuous.

>>547224

>Protestant "arguments"

>>546884

>The eucharist is ze worldo

Wew, you guys DO believe whatever the Vatican tells you.

>>547242

waht do u believe

>>547218

>It goes back to what I said before. You and I cannot judge the state of someone else's soul.

But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. Romans 2:2

>You cannot know definitively who is and is not saved.

I can know who is preaching a gospel contrary to what I have received.

>That is why we must listen to others and assess what we accept as true. There is one truth. Does Anderson have it? Does Pope Francis have it?

Yea, rather, we must listen to the Holy Spirit and the word of God to find the truth. From then we can determine who is true and false. Let no man or manmade statement be your final authority when God has sent his Spirit and his word to do that job.

>>545986

The issue I had with this video was when he went after his son. The story of Legion is pretty sick why wouldn't a kid like that

>>547275

>Romans 2:2

Romans 2:1: Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

If you judge someone as unsaved, you condemn yourself. Verse 2:2 is about God's judgement.

>I can know who is preaching a gospel contrary to what I have received.

Implicit here is the assumption that what you have received (read: your theology and doctrine) is correct. I'm trying to make you realise you could be wrong, just as I could be wrong.

>Let no man or man made statement be your final authority when God has sent his Spirit and his word to do that job.

Amen. So why do you refuse to judge Anderson by the word of God?

>>547354

>If you judge someone as unsaved, you condemn yourself.

And if God judges them according to his word, we can be sure that it is according to truth.

>I'm trying to make you realise you could be wrong, just as I could be wrong.

What does "could be wrong" mean exactly? Fallible? Or unable to come to the knowledge of the truth?

>So why do you refuse to judge Anderson by the word of God?

Mainly because he's not here. I don't follow him just so you know.

>>547361

>And if God judges them according to his word, we can be sure that it is according to truth.

Right. But we're talking about you judging someone as unsaved. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I will say I do not understand what you're getting at. It seems to me you're saying God has personally revealed to you that the the author of the video is unsaved?

>What does "could be wrong" mean exactly?

By that I mean to say you may not have the same faith of the Apostles, but rather have accepted heresy, unknowingly.

>Or unable to come to the knowledge of the truth?

Of course you are able to come to the knowledge of the truth. That does not mean that you have come to the knowledge of the truth.

>Mainly because he's not here.

You need someone's physical presence to engage in a critical assessment?

>I don't follow him just so you know.

Fair enough. Everything I said still applies the same, friend.

I like Anderson a bunch and watched this entire video. A few thoughts:

I agree 100% with his counter-argument to homosexuality. It is disgusting and wrong but so are many sins, repent for it and accept Christ into your life.

The faith+works or faith alone argument is bullshit and has literally been argued for centuries, it isn't going to be solved by this guy in a 2 hour video. Personally I believe an HONEST and GENUINE love of Christ is enough, even if you do commit murder.

Why did he randomly gun for Anderson's kid? He claims the kid is led to like Legion because his father is literally possessed by a demon - how is this a valid point?

He had literally no Biblical argument for the veneration/worship/whatever nomenclature of Mary. The video came off as vindictive that Anderson as well as Protestants in general won't join his Mary club. Personally I find no reason to believe Mary is the spiritual Mother of God or some kind of special figure.

The entire "banned from South Africa" portion was completely pointless and felt like a TMZ-esque expose - very catty. Also Anderson denouncing that guy who denies the Trinity is fine too, like literally how is that exposing anything?

I will also never understand why Anderson gets so much flak for "soul winning". I see an emphasis on Evangelism by Pastor Anderson and appreciate that, I don't know why the speaker has to put him down for it. I barely see any Evangelism coming from Catholics in America.

I agree with a lot of the stuff said about KJV onlyism, it seems silly to think it's the only version of the Bible which is permissible.

The speaker was being obviously intellectually dishonest when he described Anderson's divinity claims of the Bible as "idol worship", coming from a Catholic it made me lel heartily.

Basically 25 minutes out of that entire video contains an actual argument worth looking into, the rest was just butthurt Catholic posturing. Just being honest with you bros.

>>547366

>It seems to me you're saying God has personally revealed to you that the the author of the video is unsaved?

Well their gospel isn't the same as the one in the word. I'm saying I can't blame a guy for not wanting to hear two hours of arguments built on a false basis. Also being unsaved doesn't mean you can't be saved either, far from it.

>By that I mean to say you may not have the same faith of the Apostles, but rather have accepted heresy, unknowingly.

1 John 2:5

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 3:24

And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:20

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

>That does not mean that you have come to the knowledge of the truth.

Of course not, but it is possible.

>>547196

>>547195

>Where in the Bible it is written that Dogma must be described in Bible

2:15 Therefore, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold on to the traditions that we taught you, whether by speech or by letter. 3:6 But we command you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who lives an undisciplined life and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Marian dogmas do not exist in the bible, and the bible never says we are damned if we do not believe those heretical dogmas, or that we must believe them to be saved. Repent

>works salvation

This board really does have a massive problem with spiritual autism to not realize that faith alone leads to salvation, that faith is not alone, and that works do not save. The Roman Catholic Church contradicts itself here, not recognizing that we are not saved by anything we do (works) but that faith which comes from God as a gift, that is a separate entity from works and yet must exist alongside works, and woefully misses the Gospel

>>546865

>Basically, by limiting your intake of Christian knowledge to "those who are saved," you are limiting your Christian knowledge to sources that you already agree with or already have a preconceived desire to agree with. Essentially, basing all of your Christianity off of what you, yourself, have already chosen to believe.

I hope you're not truly thinking that Roman Catholicism is any different in that case. You have judged for yourself the "veracity" of that church, just like he has judged for himself.

>>547242

FOR MY BLOOD IS TRUE DRINK

>>547616

>2:15 Therefore, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold on to the traditions that we taught you, whether by speech or by letter which is the only description of Dogma

>3:6 But we command you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,to keep away from any brother who lives an undisciplined life and not according to the tradition they received from us which is only possible description of said tradition.

This is what you try to say, but Bible itself does not speak it.

>Marian dogmas do not exist in the bible, and the bible never says we are damned if we do not believe those heretical dogmas, or that we must believe them to be saved. Repent

Classical change of goalposts, bravo. We are talking about bible talking about description of dogma, not dogmas itself.

And Marian dogmas are in scripture, I would argue they are explicitly even. Do you even know how many Marian domags are there, my firend?

>works salvation

Canon 1.

This board really does have a massive problem with spiritual autism to not realize that faith working through Charity leads to salvation, that faith alone is not salvific, and that works of grace merit grace. The Protestants contradicts itself here, not recognizing that we are not saved by anything we do (faith) but by grace which comes from God as a gift, that is a separate entity from faith and works and yet must exist alongside faith and works, and woefully misses the Gospel

>>552424

Thanks for the mp4, it will definitely be useful on the board.

>>552430

>Baker was saved

>no saved person can lose his salvation

>Baker was like Judas

You actually implied that Judas is in Heaven now.

>>552430

He believes that the word of God is the Eternal Logos who is Jesus.

>>552442

Are you telling me that one can not know if someon is saved?

>>552441

Well Jesus is literally called "The Word" and "The Word of God". I'm nkt completely sure if I agree with Anderson but it's much more likely the The Word of God is the word of God over The Word of God being a cracker.

Also he doesn't think the literal book is like the leather, paper, and ink but the word is. Kinda confusing at first but I understand what he means.

>>552444

You can know if you yourself is saved

1 John 5

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

But you can't ever be 100% sure if someone else is because they coukd be lying

>>552452

you realize that most people aren't pathological lairs, right? why are you saying it's a false teacher for defaulting to taking someone to their word until you have reason to believe otherwise?

>>552452

Yeah you can't know for sure as he said in the beggining but you can be pretty damn sure because only few people would even lie about that and you also can be pretty sure they are if they got you saved. Also when Anderson counts the people he believes he got saved he doesn't count it if it seens they actually didn't even though they say they did.

>>552424

Also if Mary were the mother of God then that woukd make Abraham and David the father of God. I don't see you catholics ever say that.

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

>>552455

>>552453

Anderson is a paster, an authority for those people. If he states that 1. "You can not know if someone is saved" and 2. "One hundred people were saved in that day" He is just lying to his audience in one of these two statements. The correct position would say that he assumes that someone is saved.

The saving counting he does is just a way to convince people to go out and preach because he thinks it's more importante to spread his Gospel than to tell the Truth (with capital T).

>>552458

You must be a joy to hang out with

>>552458

Again you relaize almost no one would lie about that right so why not count it as them getting saved? You're just being autistic again.

>he thinks it's more importante to spread his Gospel than to tell the Truth (with capital T).

What he has people use the KJV to preach which the gospel is said in 1 Corithians 15

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

>>552462

They don't follow God. Fhey follow man just like the jews

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

>>552468

>1 Corthians 15 is a lie

Also are you saying it's bad that they go soul winning?

>>552472

No. I'm saying that Steve Anderson lies to his followers in order to make them go soul winning.

>>552468

When he says they're saved he means as far as he knows they're saved. Do you have a condition?

>>552478

would you prefer they take a polygraph before they officially consider them saved?

>>552479

>When he says they're saved he means as far as he knows they're saved

He doesn't. He is just lying to convince people to preach his gospel.

>>552481

>his gospel.

You mean THE Gospel.

>>552478

Maybe because most people don't lie about that you nigger. He also is very consertive on the nimbers so it's probably even higher

>>552481

1 John 2:19, learn it kiddo.

>>552488

He doesn't count anyone when he goes to preach at schools and stuff and people that get saved watching his videos and people that he seems unsure about when he's preaching.

>>552487

>1 John 2:19 says lying is acceptable in order to spread Anderson's gospel

>>552497

>watermark

not sure if excellent bait or reddit

>>546868

please relax my friend.

His Japan video was breddy gud tho.

>>546414

>Catholics

>Christian

>>546222

>he doesn't realize that Anderson tries to teach Koine Greek to people

>mfw I'm learning Modern Greek and my Andersonite friend said "he probably knows more Greek than you"

Therefore I can deduce the two arguments of an Andersonite

1. Talking loudly and saying Anderson is their prophet and never wrong.

2. Being a passive-aggressive faggoo

>>552735

>""

Sucks when you get hit by your own passive-aggressiveness hunh?

>>546465

KJV Onlyism has been thoroughly debunked, brother.