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preserve their innocence

I don't think masterbation is a sin because of there being no verse in the Bible forbidding touching yourself. That said though if you are trying to avoid such things you can focus on disciplining yourself.

Get a hobby you can focus on like writing or painting. Maybe make a regieme of working out or playing sports at a set time everyday. Whenever you start to think about such things as to cause you to break your discipline immidiatelly start an activity like playing sports or working out. Maybe force yourself to do 40 push ups everytime you get the urge or something like that.

>>545316

Masturbation is a mortal sin, as declared by the RCC.

>>545307

With reason and suitable justification. Masturbation has always existed, but never to this degree where the majority of men have become masturbating NEET cave-men, seeming to die virgin and in sin.

I would explain that masturbation is a drug, and it can mess up your mind to accepting a ridiculous amount of reality-warping/social engineering schemes.

Masturbation doesn't give you hairy palms, it gives you depression and an inferiority complex.

>>545328

>seeming to die virgin

Calling people virgin isn't a insult around those parts bucko

>>545328

>RCC.

I do not recognize this, whatever it may be, as an authority. Where in scripture is it said that touching yourself is a sin? Why don't you try to help OP instead of prostylizing?

>>545307

Op, another thing you can do is eat estrogen filled foods like most already proccessed store bought foods of today. That will reduce your testosterone and should make it easier to cope.

>>545335

There's a difference between deliberate celibacy and abstinence due to religious belief and involuntary celibacy due to a masturbation addiction -colloquially called "incel"- my friend.

>>545338

Because if it is not a sin, why not do it?

I didn't masturbate or touch myself to completion until age 19. I had wet dreams many times as a teenager but never came while awake. It is possible.

When I finally did succumb to this sin I felt extremely badly about it. I've succumbed a few times per year since then. I've read online about people developing their addiction to masturbation at age 8, 10, 12…it grieves me to read of this. Honestly, you need to be getting this message to kids BEFORE they are teenagers.

I wholehartedly believe that the first time you masturbate to completion while awake you make the temptation that much greater, and every time you do it you are setting up a pattern of chronic masturbation.

Put the fear of the Lord into your children early and preach this doctrine as soon as they can hear - the only time you should be teaching your genitals is to urinate, clean yourself or scratch a bad itch - everything else is sinful in the eyes of the Lord and if you do it you are setting in motion an addiction.

>>545340

As I said already, as a test of discipline or control over yourself. I sometimes do such things just to test myself and go months without doing succumbing to the urge. Even though it's not a sin to touch yourself.

>>545349

>anime

Looks like you're already rather feminine, lad

>>545348

If it's not a sin, it's not a sin. Then you cannot preach it to be a bad thing. At most, you can preach it as an occasional carnal indulgence, that is sinful in the eyes of God (but not really a sin lul).

>>545349

Amen. That is not the way at all. God warns us explicitly:

<1 Corinthians 6:9-10>

>Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Trust in the Lord and not man's wisdom on how to decrease your drive to masturbate.

>>545349

>Are you serious about this suggestion or were you paid to sent me it?

I am completely serious if OP is struggling this hard to resist masterbaiting, which is not a sin. No I am not paid to preach the word of God.

>How am I going to rebuke people if I am feminine?

By having control over your carnal body, that was the whole point of not masterbaiting after all.

<What will god say when he sees that I destroyed his form with estrogen when I was supposed to have Testosterone?

I am not recomending estrogen trap pills you faggot. But realise God doesn't give a flying fuck about the romans 8:8. Focus on the 1 corinthians 15:44.

>Why should I roll with the rich's-gov's plan to fill people with estrogen?

Don't. I am only advising this for OP because he clearly was asking for help on how to avoid masterbaiting.

>>545354

>I am completely serious if OP is struggling this hard to resist masterbaiting, which is not a sin

You're not helping anyone, especially in a Christian context! If it's not a sin, it's not a sin. You can tell them to not jack off 9 times a day, but you cannot tell them it's wrong to jack off! And that's the problem!

>>545354

>1 Corinthians 15:44

Stop bending this verse to your own flesh's desire - bend it far enough and you will start smoking dope and doing coke because hey, it's only your "spiritual body".

Our bodies are temples to God and should not be defiled.

>>545357

meant "natural body"

>>545354

We have IDs, you can check if I am OP.

>I am not recomending estrogen trap pills you faggot.

You basically were. Or are you suggesting that estrogen-food is better than trap pills because its weaker?

And if you missed it, buying estrogen food helps the rich, this isn't hard.

>masterbaiting

>master baiting

You mean what you are doing right now.

>>545356

It is a sin. God hates it. God killed a man for intentionally spilling his seed on the ground. God hates covetousness, which is tied in with masturbation to the extreme. God hates those who are so enamored with their own flesh that they turn from the Lord to pleasure themselves.

>>545357

Which body? If you had read a few verses earlier in that chapter in 1 corinthians 15:35-36 you would realise the romans 8:8 is vanity.

>bend it far enough and you will start smoking dope and doing coke because hey, it's only your "spiritual body".

Kinda, it's the same thing as all other vices. If you don't 1 corinthians 10:23-24 then it's vanity. You must be seeking to 1 corinthians 14:26 other Christians. But you also need to recognize romans 13 in such things as vices as the ones you listed are outlawed depending on where you live.

>>545362

Where is that said in the Bible? I am almost one hundred percent certain that has to do with romans 13, i.e authority.

>>545364

>romans 13

Which government ever made masturbation illegal?

>>545365

Most make it illegal if someone gets offended at you doing it in public. So preety much all (((modern))) (((decent))) (((societies))).

>>545357

I really hope you're not a Numbers 12 poster after you've said all this.

>>545367

So any society advocating for public decency is a corrupt and Judaic…or what exactly are you trying to say???

>>545369

>numbers 12

A chapter about Miriam getting shunned from the camp for having displeased her father. What does this have to do with anything?

>>545372

Well that's just the thing. Define decency in the context of the Bible. Otherwise their (((decency))) laws are not of God nor faith. Anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23.

>>545375

S-so I can masturbate in public???

interdasting…

>>545374

If you don't know, then you're not one

>>545377

Romans 13:5. Hold yourself to an even higher standard.

>>545378

But it's not a sin. So it's okay if I slip a few here and there.

>>545379

slip in public i mean

>>545363

I actually think we fundamentally agree with each other - masturbation is a vice. God hints many times in the Bible that masturbation is a sin, most famously in the story of Onan. But of course, it's possible to dispute the reason God slew Onan (i.e. God slew him because he refused to follow the Law and impregnate his brother's wife).

I consider anything that defiles the body a sin, but I don't think we can ever get rid of all the sins in our life because it's possible we sin without even knowing, as it is written.

Masturbation harms one of the things most important to God - marriage. A man who is used to it won't be able to know his wife properly. This could lead them to fall away from each other, for the Bible makes clear that sex in marriage is vital. Many chronic masturbators can't even ejaculate with PIV, for their flesh gets so used to the feeling of the hand that even the tightest woman cannot extract seed.

I don't think that masturbation is one of the most important sins, or God would have listed it explicitly. But I still think it's a sin and do my best not to do it - because it's a vice and spiritually harmful. And it may harm my marriage in the future, which would be a terrible thing indeed in the eyes of the Lord.

>>545380

No because you would be displeasing the authorties around you by doing so and breaking romans 13 in the proccess. Unless you live in a place like france where it is legal.

>>545381

-weakens marriage with wife

-weakens connection with God

-weakens connection with society

-can get you addicted in this age to pornography

hmm…sounds pretty important, sin-wise. is pornography a sin?

>>545382

wee-wee!

>>545384

>is pornography a sin?

Duh.

<Matthew 5:27–28>

>Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I don't think Jesus meant that it is actually literally equally to the grievous sin of adultery, but rather he just emphasized it to show the wicked scribes and Pharisees that they were not without sin, for covetousness is a sin.

>>545381

Holy crap all that pseudo doctrine philosophical collossians 2:8 bullshit. We don't agree at all. Read 1 corinthians 7:1 and 1 corinthians 6:16 and realise that touching your wife/yourself isn't a sin. Sure masturbation could be a vice, just like anything else though. It's all a matter of bringing your bodies into subjection 1 corinthians 10:23 lest you be a castaway 1 corinthians 9:27 or not help the brethern therof 1 corinthians 14:26.

>>545387

Well this requires understanding lust. Because it's a James 1:14 type of lust since you have not known romans 7:7 your ok. If you had exodus 20:17 then it would have been a james 1:15 fullfilled because of the carnal fullfillment in ephesians 2:3. So don't act on acts 20:33-34 if you a 2 timothy 2:4 or otherwise. But if you james 1:14 in a galatians 5:17 fashion then you are fine. But still don't be a castaway to such or not fullfill 1 corinthians 14:26 therof.

>>545387

Just to clarify all my quotes are KJV only or they make no sense and make God a liar like the version you just quoted does.

>>545316

>>545338

regardless of whether or not it's explicitly listed as a sin in the Bible, you'd have to be either extremely naive or intentionally dishonest to not knowledge the fact that you cannot commit the act of masturbation without thoughts of lust.

You and I both know that lust is a sin, so why would you willfully commit an act inherently associated with it.

You can claim all you want that 'according to the Bible masturbation isn't a sin' but you can't deny the fact that by any time you masturbate you commit the sin of lust, therefore whenever you masturbate you are committing a sin, whether or not that sin is present in the actual act itself

>>545395

>thinking lust is a sin

>not mentioning covetousness

>using a version that makes God a liar if it were true

Read >>545392

>>545392

>>545389

I'm done with this argument and leaving the thread. I've said my piece and am tired of looking up all your citations. You've obviously remembered tons of numbers, good for you.

>>545316

>I don't think masterbation is a sin because of there being no verse in the Bible forbidding touching yourself

It is. Wisdom 3:14

Prayer, discipline, and not exposing them to sexually depraved things online or on TV.

Having the household follow the same rules helps as well - often, children do things they shouldn't do specifically because they know their parents do it. So, banning degenerate media from the household and everybody following the same prayer and fasting rules sounds good (but then, that should be the standard to begin with).

>>545345

I didn't even know what masturbation was until I was 12. Parents have never talked about sex to me or my siblings.

>>545381

>most famously in the story of Onan

The history of Onan is about Onan displeasing god by not impregnating someone God ordered him to.

Masturbation is probably "pleasures of the flesh"/"sexual immorality", since Onan's history can just be reconstructed as disobedience.

But marriage is the answer. We are in a fallen state and every healthy men will feel the urge to have sex. If they have a wife, they wouldn't masturbate.

>>545421

What is this book of wisdom? It's not in the KJV. By what authority do you quote from it? Is it even scripture in line with 2 timothy 3:16?

>>545397

>baptist

>butthurt about scripture

lmao

>>545503

Oh boy.

>>545392

And wow, I didn't even glance at the rest of the thread. The guy who insists on never writing out any of the verses he cites is now an advocate for masturbation. Fantastic, absolutely fantastic.

>>545503

>Not recognizing Deuterocanon

I always knew you were a protestant, Muslim-anon.

>>545421

>Wisdom

more like "Wisdumb"

Haha

>>545508

I am not a protestant though and I was hoping for a serious answer to my question of by what authority is this so called "wisdom" book declared scripture? Where can I even read it? If I can't even read it then it's a private interpretation against what 2 peter 1:20 says.

>>545519

>Doesn't help others

>Excepts others to help him

Please leave this imageboard.

>>545521

Did you even read the thread? The answer to controlling the urge to masturbait is to have a low testotertone and high estrogen diet along with disciplining yourself by playing sports, a hobby you can do when distracted, and a regieme to do so daily.

>>545528

Well what do you recomend then?