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Let's be honest here: most "Christians" don't read their bibles.

>>538937

research the adamites, taborites, hussites, etc etc

The precedent for "you need Church authority" for reading the Bible is established because heresies usually ended up with people turning revolutionary and trying to kill Catholics/Clergy and usually local government and Kings.

>>538943

which, btw, the Reformation was the same thing writ large. see: queen elizabeth the I's massive purge of catholicism

the nazi's did it too when the Church opposed the racism/paganism latent in Hitler's rhetoric too

This is just a joke, man. Be cool.

>>538926

Honest answer: It comes from the period of time when most people in the Christian world were illiterate, so they had to rely on their Priest to guide them. It is still a wide misconception that Catholics prefer to listen to church tradition rather than read the text for themselves.

>>538927

This too

>>538945

And this

>>538950

I prefer to listen to a good priest explaining me things of God then to read the Bible for myself and make up all the sorts of heresy.

>>538927

Its funny because you can tell it was meant to be baptist flag bait but it was completely true.

>>538953

No, I was just stating my opinion. I really don't like how people look at the flag and assume the worst.

>>538952

Well, yes, but you're obviously not illiterate.

>>538956

Do what I did. Never use a flag. It forces people to read what you say instead.

>>538992

Wait I'm pretty sure that's contradictory

Doesn't Jesus Christ explain why he shared this tale in the bible? What verses are that?

>>538992

Jesuits need to be fucking purged like the Templar.

>>538926

Council of Florance.

The Vatican made it illegal for the laymen to think, which persist to the catholic church to this day.

>>538926

From Biblical Literalist Heretics who would have been excised by hook or by crook for the first 1600 years of Christianity.

What's worse is that they're not only heretics but cherrypicking ones out of context at that, an example would be threads on here citing "putting away Childish things" as a line of it's own when it's very clearly talking about different ways, one childish and one not, of loving God.

>>538992

This is a weird take, isn't the garment usually meant to mean baptism?

>>538926

it's a meme but its true honestly especially in general

>>539034

That's why no layman was ever allowed to write books about faith, God and related topic.

>>538926

Reading the new testament in full is what converted me from protestantism to catholicism

>>538992

What a satanic heretic. May God grant him the grace of faith.

>>538926

From any thread on the Reformation where Catholics jump in to talk about how great it was that there was no Bible in the vernacular and that they don't need to read it anyway because of homilies. This happens quite frequently on this board. I understand and sympathize (though not necessarily agree) with the Roman Catholic position on most aspects of the Reformation except when it comes to "no Bibles in the vernacular" and "Mass should be said in a language most laymen don't understand."

>>538927

Also this.

>>544004

Most Catholic countries used to teach Latin in school pre Vatican II.

I live in Brazil and most schools thought Latin just because the Catholic faith was so dominant, and I bet it was the same for most Catholic countries, but sadly having mass in Portuguese means we lost Latin classes and a good chunk of our culture.

Thank God I found traditional Latin Mass in my city, not to take the merit off of regulas Mass but I prefer the Latin (also it keeps the liberal priests away).

Also, sure reading the Bible is good but it's not necessary for salvation or else all laymen would go to hell before the press was invented and bibles would be accessible to all, don't you agree? Also there have been illiterate Saints.

>>539160

nice one

>>538927

>A lukewarm like myself still read the bible almost everyday before sleep

>"Most Christians" do not read their bibles

I do not buy it. But there is no smoke without fire, so what gives.

>>544173

Well, it's not just that. The Church should exist for those who are not there yet most of all. If a poor, lost sinner wanders into Mass and the whole thing is in Latin, what is he to think? It's enough for many newcomers to deal with when to stand or kneel or sit. Throwing in a language they are unfamiliar with is another hurdle on top of that.

Mass entirely in Latin appeals to ME, as a Christian and somebody who is studying Latin. I think it is neat. However, I fear that doing so hinders the Great Commission because it paints the Church as a lofty institution that one must scale to find open doors, rather than reaching out a caring hand. The Church should mimic the fact that God reached out to us through Christ. That's just my opinion though, and I do think it's great that it keeps liberal priests away.

In regards to Bible reading, I do not think it's necessary for salvation, but I believe it is good and useful. That is not the argument that is usually heard. I have heard from some Catholics that people reading the Bible is actively a BAD thing because it promotes heresy. I disagree. The thing most people would do in face of a troubling passage is ask a priest. It speaks more for a clergy that needs to be trained better than anything else, in all honesty, if that is the fear.

>>544176

meant for >>539294

I don't read the bible, in fact I don't read any books at all. I'm not sure why I'm so lazy. Please pray that I actually read the bible.