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Catholic Church is the truth. God wouldn't establish some fractured church. or some church that starts up in the 1500s, ripping books out of the bible, leaving people to be teaching error for 1500 years or so. If you read the church fathers its very clear to see how any protestant heresy or arian heresys are totally wrong. As for Catholic or Orthodox, it's simple for a variety of reasons. Jesus is the King of Heaven. His church would also have a head, not just to have a fractured bunch of bishops themselves.

>>535256

By definition, we are Orthodox. Those of 'right belief.' Never forget that.

Rather than focus on how those who pulled you into the Church have fallen out, focus on how you can be the one to guide them back in. As they saved you, so you can save them.

Remember that God is Almighty. Anything is possible for Him, even the impossible! You'll be in my prayers. May God have mercy on us both, and keep us in His light.

t. Fornicator and Chronically Depressed, only kept through God's mercy.

>>535258

>or some church that starts up in the 1500s, ripping books out of the bible, leaving people to be teaching error for 1500 years or so.

I'm honestly attracted by the notion that there was a Great Apostasy.

The canon of the Reformers is the only canon that is consistent across Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

>Jesus is the King of Heaven. His church would also have a head, not just to have a fractured bunch of bishops themselves.

Jesus is the King of Heaven -and of Earth-. Even your Church calls the Pope the "Vicar of Christ", not "the head of the Church while Christ isn't present". Christ is truly and really present in the Church, and is still at its head. The head of the administrative Church may have been the Pope before the 11th century and the Ecumenical Patriarch after, but this is only administrative - the head of the Church, charismatic and sacramental, is Christ. The head of the Church, globally and administratively, is whoever currently ranks as first among equals. The head of the Church on the local level is the priest of the parish, because the full Church is expressed even by a small congregation in the middle of nowhere. The Lord alone is the Rock on which the Church is built, but by extension, Peter is the rock on which the episcopate is built, and every priest is the rock on which the local community, the Church, is built, and every believer is a rock on top of these rocks that construct the edifice that is the Church.

>If you read the church fathers its very clear to see how any protestant heresy or arian heresys are totally wrong.

I have read some of the Fathers (I'm at volume 3 of the Ante-Nicene Fathers Series). I still can't shake the feeling that the early early Church was somewhere between Arian and Pneumatomachi (the Father alone is the True God, the Son is God for us but He is created by the Father, the Holy Spirit is created by the Father and acts through the Son but He is not God).

I find the patristic exegesis for passages such as

>Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

and

>But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

to be very unsatisfying.

And there are no passages in the apostolic Fathers, plus Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, that imply that:

- the Holy Spirit can be called God

- the Son can be called True God

- the Son, Himself, is uncreated

It seems evident to me that the early Christians at least believed in more of a "binity", of Father and Son, with the Son being an intermediary between the Father and His creation.

But, again, I know this is wrong. I know the Church is right. I just can't help but feel in my heart that it's not.

>>535266

>I think I'll leave as soon as now, actually

Do it. Getting engaged in all the turmoil, especially online, will take a toll on you. The most important thing that you must now focus on is your own spiritual life.

>>535256

>As for myself, there is a constant reminder in the back of my mind that, hey, maybe Catholicism is right after all, I mean, they're the biggest Church, they're the ones driving Christendom even if indirectly, and they have a more solid stance on certain very important doctrines (the sinfulness of contraception, what happens after death, whether the sacraments of other churches can be valid) than we do.

Wait until you reach the history of Rome-Constantinople relations before schism for the best stuff:

http://www.catholicbridge.com/orthodox/timeline_history_of_catholic_orthodox_relations.php

(Also, this site has great refutations of Calvinist in particular and non-Catholic in general errors:

http://www.calledtocommunion.com)

>maybe Catholicism is right after all

>I know that the Orthodox Church is the Truth

Literally who cares for all are one in Christ. See Galations 3:28

>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

>I don't even have any money in my bank account, how can I even do almsgiving like this?

Two things. First the story of the widow in Mark 12:41-44 applies here. You give God your all in everything, for ye are bought with a price 1 corinthinas 6:20. Secondly remember the lesson of Mattthew 4:5-7 of not testing God. You should be able to 2 corinthians 11:9 while also 2 corinthians 9:12-14'ing.

>I can't even gather the courage to get my ass to university everyday

Stop cucking yourself and wasting money you could use to help other Christians or even yourself. All universities are to leaven you with (((their))) teachings and doctrines. Not what God says.

>Besides the fact it's the most logical doctrine

See 1 corinthians 1:20

>Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made goolish the wisdom of this world?

>and they have a more solid stance on certain very important doctrines

No they don't. No catholic could ever explain to you 1 samuel 17:51, 2 samuel 21:19, mark 1:2, malachi 3:1, acts 7:45, and deutoronomy 31 without making up words via a private interpretation 2 peter 1:20 that they can't explain to you for edification.

<Or maybe atheism is right after all,

Why are you here if you have any doubts? Study what God says already or get out.

>>535282

>goolish

should be

>foolish

>>I don't even have any money in my bank account,

Also if you are trying to survive without using money ever again see >>>/pdfs/ . Start learning how to camp and to dumpster dive. Along with what local plants are edible to your region. Learn to hunt animals and catch/net fish if applicable. Learn to make a safe and contained fire to cook with and how to cook if you don't already know how. If you are in a city get out of there now since they are death traps without money. Learn how solar stills work if you set up a camp without much water. If all that fails learn where local food banks are or (((charity))) organizations. Local (((churches))) might help you too so they can feel good about themselves, maybe.

>>535256

>I can't even gather the courage to get my ass to university everyday, how can I even hope to love God and to love my neighbor as myself?

Prayer, devotion to Mary.

>I don't even have any money in my bank account, how can I even do almsgiving like this?

According to your means: giving a painfully large percentage is heroic, but not obligatory. Unusual, extraordinary and heroic means can sometimes be needed, but generally God doesn't expect the average human to regularly, in normal and mundane circumstances, have these as their only moral option.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01328f.htm

>>535256

>I placed my faith in men and men failed me so now I doubt my faith

Found the problem OP. Men don't make Christianity true, Christianity true. Ground your faith in scripture, it'll solve your problem.

>>535301

What does this even mean? Sure he could never explain >>535282 . But what does spamming accomplish exactly? Not like you could Proverbs 26:4-6 a 2 peter 2:18-22 and Matthew 7:6.

>>535302

>Not like you could Proverbs 26:4-6 a 2 peter 2:18-22 and Matthew 7:6.

What do you mean?

>>535304

Do you even read the Bible son? Apply ecclesasties 3:18-21 and Romans 8:8 along with those verses. Think real deep and hard if you yourself have eyes to see and ears to hear too.

Ontop of that I still don't know why you spammed that? Is that like a codeword for something? Or is there something hidden in the text?

>>535306

>Do you even read the Bible son?

Yes, why is this being questioned?

>Ontop of that I still don't know why you spammed that? Is that like a codeword for something? Or is there something hidden in the text?

Young Pope posters often go down the muh Matthew 16:18 rabbit hole with total eisigesis and poor patristic backing

As for the verses I can get to that, but is there a point you're going for here?

>>535308

Well I was originally Proverbs 28:23'ing you. But then I realised you were the same as Proverbs 26:11,16,19,28. All of this is literal, KJV only, and based purely on what God says, which is psalms 138:2.

I think in Bible verses for some reason….

>>535266

Good for you. I hope to see you around again eventually (but not soon!).

>>535259

By your own definition. The eastern church only called themselves orthodox out of insecurity and prideful contempt for the west. But what church does not think of themselves as orthodox? It is a pointless to use an a name and even diminishes the true name of the church laid out in the creed. Orthodoxy is a concept of perfection not a name. Just because you say you are orthodox does not mean you are orthodox. No one is orthodox but God.

Your schism is based on foolish pride

>>535256

OP when you join a schismatic church don't be surprised if you start doubting the authority of it, seeing as schism is the rejection of authority. Surrender yourself entirely to god and recommune with the bishop of Rome. You need him, for the eastern church know that they can't form dogma and have ecumenical council without him and just like Satan and the demons who acknowledge the authority of christ yet still rebel, the eastern bishops acknowledge the authority of the pope as their head yet they choose to rebel.

It's much, much more in line with what I >expect the 1st century Church to have actually been like

>I also think that Arianism (and specifically Pneumatomachoi) is what the early Christians believed

keep in mind that the early church was filled with more hersey than we could ever imagine today. Are you aware that at one point gnostics were rampant and Arianism was a major political force?

stop looking for the early church for salvation and guidance. look to your Bible and pray to Jesus Christ that he'll alleviate your doubts and your troubles, and that he'll give you strength to overcome this tumultuous period in your faith.

I'll keep you in my prayers.

>>535436

I accidentally my implication at the top, but you get it.

>>535431

>OP when you join a schismatic church don't be surprised if you start doubting the authority of it, seeing as schism is the rejection of authority. Surrender yourself entirely to god and recommune with the bishop of Rome. You need him, for the eastern church know that they can't form dogma and have ecumenical council without him and just like Satan and the demons who acknowledge the authority of christ yet still rebel,

How come the only words you capitalized here are Satan and Rome?

>>535320

Underrated post, even though it's not all KJV.

>>536158

Autocorrect. I don't bother capitalising anything. My phone is obviously possessed by a demon

>>535256

Don't place your faith in men. God willing, you will find what you're looking for.